Will Grier rising up draft boards after impressive Pro Day

This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise".

Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

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on their Pro Day? He didnt do so well at the Senior Bowl and the Combine

In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said:

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

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In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said:

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

I don't think he makes it that high. Lock's arm is at another level compared to Grier.

In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said:

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

i don't think there's a shot of us taking him at 6. I think the Giants could definitely be interested, but likely in day 2. I'd also be interested in him day 2.

The main thing is what did he do during his college season. Will Grier's numbers were as good as Haskins'.

but I have felt for awhile that someone would take him in the first somewhere. Just a guess though.

In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said:

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

I loved Grier earlier in the season. He was hot very early. And I was suggesting he could break into the top 15. But I started to cool as the season wore on. Plus, I didn't think Grier showed well at the Senior Bowl.

So getting up inside the top ten is a super-stretch.

throws looked accurate, but soft to me. No thanks.

In comment 14351669 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said: Quote: This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6. I don't think he makes it that high. Lock's arm is at another level compared to Grier.

Giants sent the higher level guy to see Grier.

Of prodays. No team is going to drastically alter a QB’s rating due to their performance throwing to uncovered WR’s in shorts.

I am not a big fan of Grier as he turns 24 before the draft but I wouldn’t be opposed to using a 3rd on him but he will likely be gone. I do think it’s more likely that Grier has more success in the NFL than Daniel Jones. Grier doesn’t have a big upside though and I would compare him to Derek Carr.

The only QB’s I that like are projected to go early are Murray, Haskins, and Lock. I would only take Lock if Shurmur is confident that Lock’s flaws could be corrected. If not then I would focus on 3rd day guys like Stidham,Tyree Jackson, Gardner Mineshaw.

In comment 14351662 Danny Kanell said:

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

Mayfield was never projected as low as Grier is at this point. By mid March most mocks had him as a top 15 pick, although it wasn't until a couple of days before the draft until the talk of him going 1st overall started.

Can Grier rise up to the mid first round? Possibly, but I don't think there is anyway he goes from being considered a 2nd round pick this late in the process all the way up to the sixth pick in the draft.

He was one of those maybe 1st round guys, got hot and went 10th. It's all about the arms and the heads, and if Grier can show off a gun and some smarts he'll vault into the first.

In comment 14351700 Joey in VA said:

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He was one of those maybe 1st round guys, got hot and went 10th. It's all about the arms and the heads, and if Grier can show off a gun and some smarts he'll vault into the first.

Mahomes's tape was insane. Some of his throws and completions were really genius. You really can't teach it, nor would you.

Grier doesn't have that.

IMO he'll be a better pro than Lock and Jones and maybe better than Haskins.

In comment 14351695 Jay on the Island said:

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Of prodays. No team is going to drastically alter a QB’s rating due to their performance throwing to uncovered WR’s in shorts. I am not a big fan of Grier as he turns 24 before the draft but I wouldn’t be opposed to using a 3rd on him but he will likely be gone. I do think it’s more likely that Grier has more success in the NFL than Daniel Jones. Grier doesn’t have a big upside though and I would compare him to Derek Carr. The only QB’s I that like are projected to go early are Murray, Haskins, and Lock. I would only take Lock if Shurmur is confident that Lock’s flaws could be corrected. If not then I would focus on 3rd day guys like Stidham,Tyree Jackson, Gardner Mineshaw.

That's probably true and I think at least some of the guys in the Giants contingent were at OSU's pro-day simply because they have loads of talent. Don't we usually have several guys down in Bama?

I think it was Shurmur who basically said one of the most useful things about the pro day is talking to the teammates/coaches/support staff about a player. They're probably a lot more candid in person and can give valuable insight into the players work ethic, leadership abilities, and general intangibles.

That plus the board session were likely the important aspects for Haskins.

Trash. Y’all do realize he played in the same system as Geno Smith which is designed to make him look better than he is, hell Geno impressed too, even more so then Grier in that offense. I’m good on him, he’s not a leader, has average arm talent, I wouldn’t bother to look his way until atleast the fourth rd.

and his family's involvement?

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and his family's involvement?

What attitude? I keep hearing that. But since he's been married and had a daughter, I think every interview with Grier is very positive. Comes off very well.

may get overrated because QBs almost always do, especially in a year like this where the talent at the position is seen to be lacking. But he won't be drafted in the first round. Maybe late second, but the third round is still more likely.

this was the only QB GM DG scouted at a live game this year fwiw.

just look ok during Senior Bowl week ? I know he left the game at halftime because he needed to take care of some family stuff but he may have been up and down during the practice week

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may get overrated because QBs almost always do, especially in a year like this where the talent at the position is seen to be lacking. But he won't be drafted in the first round. Maybe late second, but the third round is still more likely.

I think late first early second is his sweet spot. He shows up in the big moments and has excellent ball placement. Yes the arm doesn't wow, but as we saw at the combine it was plenty in it. He's not a guy who wows you when you size him up, but he's a baller. Being a baller in college does not necessarily mean he'll translate. We'll see.

Watched him a ton this year. The kid has got "it"

Would love a D Lineman at 6 and Grier at 17.

Every damn pro day the guy “puts on a show” murray then Haskins now Grier. Today will be lock.

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Weaker arm than Haskins and Locks that’s for sure.

In comment 14351768 BlueHurricane said:

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Watched him a ton this year. The kid has got "it" Would love a D Lineman at 6 and Grier at 17.

I'm could definitely live with this.

The guy is a player, and is very underrated by the "youtube" experts here on BBI.

Have been underrated by us fans. I still think Daniel Jones will be a good pro and can be great in the right situation. It wouldn't be the flashiest of picks but if the Giants feel he can be a winner, I'm on board.

Impressive pro day. He sucked big time at both the senior bowl and combine. 4th round pick at best.

Now I understand they were not the best D's, but he was unbelievable against Texas who did beat Georgia and ended up in the top 10. The guy put 42 pts on the board including a pinpoint 30 yd pass for a TD as time expired, and then he ran in the 2 pt conversion to win.

In comment 14351757 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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this was the only QB GM DG scouted at a live game this year fwiw.

Gettleman attended the Oregon-Utah game to see Herbert.

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Impressive pro day. He sucked big time at both the senior bowl and combine. 4th round pick at best.

Well there you have it. This random guy on a message scouted him on the tv and knows everything.

I agree about that Texas game. I was like this kid has some moxie and moves well. Seems like a leader. It was also give Shurmer a lot more play calling options.

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Will Grier West Virginia 58 (Left) 59 (Right) Brett Rypien Boise State 59 (Left) 56 (Right) Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right) Nick Fitzgerald Mississippi State 57 (Left) 52 (Right) Jordan Ta'amu Mississippi 56 (Left) 55 (Right) Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right) Ryan Finley North Carolina State 55 (Left) 52 (Right) Tyree Jackson Buffalo 54 (Left) 54 (Right) Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right) Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right) Easton Stick North Dakota State 53 (Left) 54 (Right) Jake Browning Washington 54 (Left) 52 (Right) Trace McSorley Penn State 53 (Left) 52 (Right) Jarrett Stidham Auburn 53 (Left) 52 (Right) Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right) Kyle Shurmer Vanderbilt 52 (Left) 50 (Right) Kyler Murray Oklahoma did not throw

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The QB velocity stuff just doesn't seem to jibe with what we see on the field.

It certainly doesn't measure arm strength - because I don't think anyone could argue with a straight face that Will Grier has a stronger arm than Drew Lock does.

In comment 14352242 arcarsenal said:

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The QB velocity stuff just doesn't seem to jibe with what we see on the field. It certainly doesn't measure arm strength - because I don't think anyone could argue with a straight face that Will Grier has a stronger arm than Drew Lock does.

Exactly!

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blurb from article:

The Giants general manager reportedly was in attendance Friday night as Oklahoma visited West Virginia, which is quarterbacked by potential 2019 first-round draft pick Will Grier. The game was the typical Big 12 shootout.

In comment 14352294 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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blurb from article: The Giants general manager reportedly was in attendance Friday night as Oklahoma visited West Virginia, which is quarterbacked by potential 2019 first-round draft pick Will Grier. The game was the typical Big 12 shootout.

To also see Kyler Murray perhaps.

I'm going to watch it tonight/tomorrow. It should be fun.
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In comment 14351759 BIG FRED 1973 said:

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just look ok during Senior Bowl week ? I know he left the game at halftime because he needed to take care of some family stuff but he may have been up and down during the practice week

Mayfield looked great during the week.

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The QB velocity stuff just doesn't seem to jibe with what we see on the field. It certainly doesn't measure arm strength - because I don't think anyone could argue with a straight face that Will Grier has a stronger arm than Drew Lock does.

QB velocity seems to be one of those data points that is showing itself as useless. Especially because they aren't lining the guys up and saying throw as hard as you can. More and more it seems like weaker armed guys are adding a little mustard at the combine to say hey look my arm isn't weak.

and if he sits behind Eli for a year, he'll be 25 before he finally takes over, that's assuming 2019 is Eli's last year. Haskin's is 2 years younger. Even Josh Rosen is 2 years younger than Grier.

No thanks.

Love how he can place the ball down the field. Arm strength question is absolutely answered by the throw against UT in below video from PFF. His feet aren’t on the ground and the ball is on the absolute money from 30 yards away. Time after time, down the field, the medium throws are on target. In the below video, you do not make the last pass to the TE with a weak arm. He’ll fit in the Shurmur offense like a glove. Can run enough to keep defenses honest. Saw him with Gruden a month ago. Kid just has a quiet confidence that I think will endear him to teammates.
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and if he sits behind Eli for a year, he'll be 25 before he finally takes over, that's assuming 2019 is Eli's last year. Haskin's is 2 years younger. Even Josh Rosen is 2 years younger than Grier.

While I have no opinion on Grier or the other QBs, I don't see why his age would be a factor. QBs aren't running backs. Good ones routinely play into their mid-thirties and beyond. If they stay healthy - and the rules certainly protect them - they tend to improve through their twenties. That was certainly the case with Eli Manning.

Besides, quarterbacks offer optimal cap value on their rookie contracts. It might actually be a plus to have that bargain contract cover ages 24-28 rather than, say, 21-25: greater physical and emotional maturity, possibly more effective leadership. Josh Rosen still gets grief for a stupid baseball cap he wore when he was 19. Grier was 20 when the NCAA busted him for PEDs at Florida. With time, he seems to have put that issue behind him, along with his kid brother's Internet fame.

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Love how he can place the ball down the field. Arm strength question is absolutely answered by the throw against UT in below video from PFF. His feet aren’t on the ground and the ball is on the absolute money from 30 yards away. Time after time, down the field, the medium throws are on target. In the below video, you do not make the last pass to the TE with a weak arm. He’ll fit in the Shurmur offense like a glove. Can run enough to keep defenses honest. Saw him with Gruden a month ago. Kid just has a quiet confidence that I think will endear him to teammates. Will Grier PFF - ( New Window )

Daniel Jeremiah saw him throw live and said the arm strength concerns are unfounded, fwiw.

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This is right about when Baker Mayfield starting to "rise". Don't discount this guy, even at 6.

Even at six?

I don't know about that...

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In comment 14352511 PetesHereNow said: Quote: Love how he can place the ball down the field. Arm strength question is absolutely answered by the throw against UT in below video from PFF. His feet aren’t on the ground and the ball is on the absolute money from 30 yards away. Time after time, down the field, the medium throws are on target. In the below video, you do not make the last pass to the TE with a weak arm. He’ll fit in the Shurmur offense like a glove. Can run enough to keep defenses honest. Saw him with Gruden a month ago. Kid just has a quiet confidence that I think will endear him to teammates. Will Grier PFF - ( New Window ) Daniel Jeremiah saw him throw live and said the arm strength concerns are unfounded, fwiw.

I honestly see Tony Romo who doesn’t choke under pressure when I look at this player.

Would be worse than any draft outcome I've contemplated so far and it's not even really close

between two qb's who both made some great throws and also both made some mistakes. In the end, I think Oklahoma's impressive offensive line made the difference.