…he’s been talking about this a lot, and it sure sounds good. Sign me up!
But can such a goal be accomplished with a team that has put together several dismal seasons? It’s not as though the Giants have a pretty decent roster and just needs a few legitimate players to put the team over the hump and into the playoffs.
That’s not even close to what Gettleman is actually dealing with. Here are the holes staring straight at him:
(1) Needed upgrade at Right Tackle (and probably Center as well);
(2) No true 2-way TE threat;
(3) No clear long-term solution at QB;
(4) No obvious #1 wide receiver (which doesn’t bother me so much);
(5) Zero f-ing pass rushing threat, right at the bottom of the NFL;
(6) Way below grade linebacker unit that provides zero pass coverage effectiveness;
(7) No proven CB on team after Janoris Jenkins;
(8) Untried new Safety tandem.
In this context, what does the signing of a Golden Tate actually accomplish? He is a very fine receiver, and we certainly can use him after trading OBJ. But in laying the foundation for turning this team around for longer-term success, I don’t know how Golden Tate really helps. And, if Golden Tate is an integral part of securing one or two more victories this season, so what? All that does is push us further down the Draft chart.
Also, while not calling for big things yet, Lorenzo Carter and Markus Golden can rush the passer. B.J. Hill also had 5.5 sacks in his rookie season.
in a best case scenario :-).
Its really simple.
They are building by cutting loose the players they don't want and freeing up cap space, and creating a solid foundation of talent through the draft - which is what we've all been wanting for years. Now its being done.
They are still going to try and win games though. They aren't tanking. So they are signing players that can help them do that. However, you haven't seen them splurge on anyone have you? You could potentially make that case for Golden Tate, but its still essentially a two year deal and if they don't keep Shepard next year - they have a nice short term fall back option who is still cheaper.
They'll grab a QB when they find the right one.
This is all being set up for next year. When Gettleman said they have a plan and that everyone needs to "be patient" and that it will all make sense "in time," I believe this is what he meant. They're putting pieces together now and setting themselves up for a huge offseason in 2020. You might not agree with EVERY move thats been made along the way, but as far as the goal (at least what I percieve it to be) - none of the moves they've made thus far have hampered it or made it more difficult to achieve.
If this draft goes well, the Giants will be ready to roll in 2020. They'll have a good foundation of young talent.
A young QB, and plenty of money to fill in holes. And its going to be the kind of team we used to enjoy watching and rooting for without all of the extra drama and bullshit we've gotten accustomed to over the past 7 years or so.
There are better days ahead. Just let it play out.
Since the Giants sucked the last 2 years, they have to try and win some games this year. It's not like the raiders gutting the team and sucking for one year so they could free up cap and get draft capital. Every situation is different.
They have a lot of picks. If they hit on some that will help out. Other guys will get better.
Gettleman is not afraid to rip the bandaid off when it comes to players and I'm ok with that.
Agreed, we won't have to worry about him being questionable every week, or getting a killer rushing the passer penalty late in the game.
So maybe, he is just waiting fornus to clear some cap space.
Can't wait to see how he overpays with all this cap next year, which will soon evaporate....
One thing is for sure, if rebuilding AND winning is his mantra, then he has to be all in on Eli....who will be one year older.....and he better hope that he gets a stud at RT in the draft......
And for his draft to be successful, he needs at least four picks to be starters, not just guys that start because there is no one else....
The market dictates which comes first, ergo, front seven on D 123, then safeties 4 then ol 55567
That leaves a shorter, more achieve able list for 2020.
So maybe, he is just waiting fornus to clear some cap space.
Remmers had back surgery. Likely the hold up in teams offering him a reasonable contract that he would want. If he can't get a decent guaranteed money deal, he will probably take whatever is left out there for him
2020 draft.
QB
WR
Corner
(Trade all up)
2020 free agency
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The only "long term" signing the Giants did this off season is Golden Tate and his deal is very cheap to get out of in 2 years. The Giants will have a load of money under the cap after this season and they have 12 picks in this draft.
The media is giving the Giants a lot of grief this off season, but if they get a good QB in the draft this year or next, the media will talk about the Giants as an exciting up and coming team.
Since the Giants sucked the last 2 years, they have to try and win some games this year. It's not like the raiders gutting the team and sucking for one year so they could free up cap and get draft capital. Every situation is different.
They have a lot of picks. If they hit on some that will help out. Other guys will get better.
This is not an entirely cohesive thought. Yes it's your job to win games but it's your job to win games long term. Many teams could throw away their cap to do much better one year and completely screw themselves later.
I like Kyler Murray a lot, we could have been in a position to draft him instead of picking 6 right now if we didn't beat 4 backup QBs in a throwaway season.
I'm not even willing to look at average record in a vacuum. I think most would rather a 1-15 season and a 15-1 season than two 8-8 seasons.
It's a lot worse making moves trying to win like last year and still fielding a crap team than going all the way down the toilet one year to get your QB. We went all the way down the toilet last year and still don't have our long term solution at QB.
If Golden's healthy, I think he can pick up a lot of the slack. IIRC, 12+ sacks last time he was healthy and in Bettcher's system.
Also, while not calling for big things yet, Lorenzo Carter and Markus Golden can rush the passer. B.J. Hill also had 5.5 sacks in his rookie season.
Golden had 2.5 sacks last year. I get that he had success in the past - and that came with Bettcher - but still, we don’t have proven guys. Carter could be good, but it’s still a projection with him. BJ Hill had his moments, too, but I believe half his sacks care against the Sanchez led Redskins.
Either way, I have no faith in Gettleman. The draft was ok, but I hate the way he went about it. Listening to Ranaan - and his quotes on DG not even answering calls for the 2 pick - border on GM malpractice. And the fact that he refused to shop the Browns’ offer before agreeing to the OBJ deal is similarly garbage. His holding onto Collins and letting him go for a compensatory pick, also crap. His trades - and inability to negotiate at a competent level - are killing this team.
(2) No true 2-way TE threat;
(3) No clear long-term solution at QB;
(4) No obvious #1 wide receiver (which doesn’t bother me so much);
(5) Zero f-ing pass rushing threat, right at the bottom of the NFL;
(6) Way below grade linebacker unit that provides zero pass coverage effectiveness;
(7) No proven CB on team after Janoris Jenkins;
(8) Untried new Safety tandem.
Here’s what DG has done, short and fucking sweet.
He’s traded 2018-2019 cap space for young talent and draft picks.
Everyone bitching about the dead money or this cap or that cap just shut your fucking pie holes. In one breath some of you sing the pats virtues and then call DG a dumb old man. Save it dummies. DG had one avenue to take here that enabled the giants to stockpile picks and change the locker room and he fucking took it. You wanted change? You wanted young cost controlled talent? You wanted to cleanse this franchise? You have gotten it in spades! So Eli is still here! Good! He’s a terrific place holder and ambassador here.
Odds are the giants will come out of this draft with more talent in the coffers and a young qb. They will enter 2020 with a billion dollars in cap space, two big drafts worth of young talent and likely a young qb that everyone is dreaming of.
No more BS narratives. No more bitching. Wait and see how this all works but let’s call it like it is around here. DG has done a terrific job save for 1-2 lower level FA signings that didn’t pan out, get over it.
They will use next years first and the year after next years first round picks to move up next season and get our future QB.
They have a ton of salary cap and will use that money to sign a few key players to help out the roster, the only question is if they roll with that first round pick next season or do they keep Eli one more year to try and make another run, they should have the roster complete by next off season and going into 2021.
He was always questionable - never came up with a big play when you needed it - had 3 sacks, 1 FR, 2 PD against Wash in Week 16 when the game meant nothing against their 3 string tackle.
Its really simple.
They are building by cutting loose the players they don't want and freeing up cap space, and creating a solid foundation of talent through the draft - which is what we've all been wanting for years. Now its being done.
They are still going to try and win games though. They aren't tanking. So they are signing players that can help them do that. However, you haven't seen them splurge on anyone have you? You could potentially make that case for Golden Tate, but its still essentially a two year deal and if they don't keep Shepard next year - they have a nice short term fall back option who is still cheaper.
They'll grab a QB when they find the right one.
This is all being set up for next year. When Gettleman said they have a plan and that everyone needs to "be patient" and that it will all make sense "in time," I believe this is what he meant. They're putting pieces together now and setting themselves up for a huge offseason in 2020. You might not agree with EVERY move thats been made along the way, but as far as the goal (at least what I percieve it to be) - none of the moves they've made thus far have hampered it or made it more difficult to achieve.
If this draft goes well, the Giants will be ready to roll in 2020. They'll have a good foundation of young talent.
A young QB, and plenty of money to fill in holes. And its going to be the kind of team we used to enjoy watching and rooting for without all of the extra drama and bullshit we've gotten accustomed to over the past 7 years or so.
There are better days ahead. Just let it play out.
+1
Its really simple.
They are building by cutting loose the players they don't want and freeing up cap space, and creating a solid foundation of talent through the draft - which is what we've all been wanting for years. Now its being done.
They are still going to try and win games though. They aren't tanking. So they are signing players that can help them do that. However, you haven't seen them splurge on anyone have you? You could potentially make that case for Golden Tate, but its still essentially a two year deal and if they don't keep Shepard next year - they have a nice short term fall back option who is still cheaper.
They'll grab a QB when they find the right one.
This is all being set up for next year. When Gettleman said they have a plan and that everyone needs to "be patient" and that it will all make sense "in time," I believe this is what he meant. They're putting pieces together now and setting themselves up for a huge offseason in 2020. You might not agree with EVERY move thats been made along the way, but as far as the goal (at least what I percieve it to be) - none of the moves they've made thus far have hampered it or made it more difficult to achieve.
If this draft goes well, the Giants will be ready to roll in 2020. They'll have a good foundation of young talent.
A young QB, and plenty of money to fill in holes. And its going to be the kind of team we used to enjoy watching and rooting for without all of the extra drama and bullshit we've gotten accustomed to over the past 7 years or so.
There are better days ahead. Just let it play out.
Good post.
Its really simple.
They are building by cutting loose the players they don't want and freeing up cap space, and creating a solid foundation of talent through the draft - which is what we've all been wanting for years. Now its being done.
They are still going to try and win games though. They aren't tanking. So they are signing players that can help them do that. However, you haven't seen them splurge on anyone have you? You could potentially make that case for Golden Tate, but its still essentially a two year deal and if they don't keep Shepard next year - they have a nice short term fall back option who is still cheaper.
They'll grab a QB when they find the right one.
This is all being set up for next year. When Gettleman said they have a plan and that everyone needs to "be patient" and that it will all make sense "in time," I believe this is what he meant. They're putting pieces together now and setting themselves up for a huge offseason in 2020. You might not agree with EVERY move thats been made along the way, but as far as the goal (at least what I percieve it to be) - none of the moves they've made thus far have hampered it or made it more difficult to achieve.
If this draft goes well, the Giants will be ready to roll in 2020. They'll have a good foundation of young talent.
A young QB, and plenty of money to fill in holes. And its going to be the kind of team we used to enjoy watching and rooting for without all of the extra drama and bullshit we've gotten accustomed to over the past 7 years or so.
There are better days ahead. Just let it play out.
Can't wait to see how he overpays with all this cap next year, which will soon evaporate....
One thing is for sure, if rebuilding AND winning is his mantra, then he has to be all in on Eli....who will be one year older.....and he better hope that he gets a stud at RT in the draft......
And for his draft to be successful, he needs at least four picks to be starters, not just guys that start because there is no one else....
They do have one proven CB, Jenkins, but Sam Beal has one NFL practice to his name. It is a very, very rosy outlook to say with any certainty that anything was addressed there.
The win now is nothing more than doing what we can to win some games and not “purposly” tank like Miami. I’m pretty sure DG and PS are smart enough to realize we aren’t ready to be a Super Bowl contender. Who knows maybe if the stars line up and the ball actually bounces our way for once we could end up with a wild card but I don’t think that’s what they mean. I think it’s simply they aren’t going to roll over for future picks and try to win with their best ability each and every week.
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Losing Vernon will hurt the pass rush, but I am so glad that guy is off of the team.
Agreed, we won't have to worry about him being questionable every week, or getting a killer rushing the passer penalty late in the game.
Amen to that he is more of a tease the fact that he is off injured he always seemed to be nicked up throw in some boneheaded penalties he can be replaced .