It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
The clean pocket stands out every time and we know that will not happen in the NFL. He has played in 13 games in college seeing virtually no pressure he did put up awesome stats. I would still pass on him at 6 and go defense and I would not trade up for him. Also if Arizona is blowing smoke on Kyler he could move down to 6.
Murray isn’t slipping all the way to 6 that’s pretty clear.
he steps into his passes when in the pocket, good use of his lower and upper body for velocity. He steps up when able.
But what stood out to me were his throws on the run: running to his right, he squared and threw off his left leg/foot; running to his left, he squared and threw off his right foot. He consistently squared his body to LOS to get max velocity/accuracy. His throws on the move were consistent and impressive.
I don't want to use a lot of picks to move up, and FMiC has a point, he looks puffy in his upper body, but i assume that's addressable if Haskins wants to. I just hate the use of draft capital here when there are so many holes.
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
In regards to Haskins, you definitely see things through a different lense, than most.
he is Big ben at best, but his ball placement is elite at the college level...i think it carries over. personally i think he has all of the tools but will need to work on his footwork
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
some of you act like unless he was under intense Â
pressure, completing 70% while getting the tar beaten out of him, then he SUCKS and can't play. The prejudice on this site against him is laughable. On top of that, you geniuses don't even know what you are looking at. In that video, he made a number of excellent throws with a free blitzer coming off the corner, correctly identified him and threw the ball IN THE AREA VACATED. that's advanced, high level stuff. I don't know if he'll make it, nobody here does. but the clean pocket bullcrap is just that- crap. He's an excellent prospect, on AND off the field. We would be lucky to have him.
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pressure, completing 70% while getting the tar beaten out of him, then he SUCKS and can't play. The prejudice on this site against him is laughable. On top of that, you geniuses don't even know what you are looking at. In that video, he made a number of excellent throws with a free blitzer coming off the corner, correctly identified him and threw the ball IN THE AREA VACATED. that's advanced, high level stuff. I don't know if he'll make it, nobody here does. but the clean pocket bullcrap is just that- crap. He's an excellent prospect, on AND off the field. We would be lucky to have him.
I didn't see anyone reacting NEARLY the way you describe. There are valid concerns against drafting him. Same as Murray and I love Murray. At the end of the day we are just having discussion about opinions formulated on what we see, and read. Personally I see us going defense in round one, but I'll be fine if the Giants are high enough on Haskins to select him (and he is actually there). I'll root for the pick as a Giants player unless/until he leaves or proves not worthy of support.
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Maybe it's from years of watching ELi, but it is where the game is moving. It's why I loved Mayfield last year and why I love Haskins this year. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but if you are going to be a pocket passer in today's NFL you need to be able to create YAC for your receivers. Unfortunately that isn't a strenghth of Eli's game and why he hasn't aged well.
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
Oregon had a great recruiting class this year. I think it's one of the reasons Herbert stayed. And I am still very curious to see how Kelly fixes UCLA. That's going to be very entertaining.
I thought Herm did a terrific job at ASU. Very interested to see what happens when his recruits start playing. He had a top 25 class this year.
Not like the Alabama or Clemson QBs that everyone loves but... He didn’t just play on a good team, he dominated. He did things that has never been done before in his league and yet he is just OK. He does all the little things that make for a great QB. He also is a great kid. He would be a really great successor to Eli.
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Not like the Alabama or Clemson QBs that everyone loves but... He didn’t just play on a good team, he dominated. He did things that has never been done before in his league and yet he is just OK. He does all the little things that make for a great QB. He also is a great kid. He would be a really great successor to Eli.
Don’t overlook your last two sentences in what it means to the Giants FO. Haskins, Lock or even Rosen are QBs I’d be happy with learning behind Eli this season.
You must have hated all the years QBs were groomed and had to wait their turn. There are VERY few QBs coming out now that SHOULD start right away. There are a lot of things (like footwork) that these kids need to learn at the pro level they DON’T dominate college. A year of grooming under Eli would set Haskins or any of these guys up to succeed in 2020. Haskins is going to get better - a LOT better. A point I don’t see anyone making.
And state unequivocally you d be furious if he is a pick?
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Where did anyone say any of that? I think most agree he has talent. I think there are very valid concerns about experience and adversity that he faced in game situations. If you don't believe me, go back and read NFL.com scouting report on him, lack of adversity/pressure is literally one of the big negatives highlighted for him.
There is no issue pointing out that 1 year starters in college have found limited success in the NFL (you can find this if you google articles about Haskins). Likewise, there is no issue pointing out that Urban Meyer qbs have not been great in the NFL (Alex Smith being the exception, but I think everyone can agree even he was primarily a game manager). There is also no issue or even controversy pointing out that he was on a great team, and largely had a talent advantage over his competitors.
I didn't see him elevate his team the way I saw of some other qbs in college, I saw him have as much or somewhat more success as the qbs who preceded him in that program. I saw Andrew Luck elevate his team at Standford, In 2017 I saw Sam Darnold elevate his team (we saw what happened the year after he left to USC), heck I even saw UCLA better with Rosen under center. I just didn't see the same thing from Haskins with OSU. It's a very legitimate concern to wonder whether his success was due more to him or to the team around him. Its not bias or prejudice just because you disagree with someone. If the Giants take him, great, they must have really done their homework enough to make a judgement on him.
has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
I think it will be a big mistake if the Giants pass on Haskins if he is on the board at 6. With that said I trust JonC and I don't think they will select him. I just hope they don't make the mistake of drafting Daniel Jones instead even if it's in round 2.
has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
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has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
Not even close. I wasn't a fan of Haskins at first but the more I see and hear about him the more I want the Giants to select him. He'd be going to the perfect spot because he could sit behind Eli for half a season and then take over in the likely event that the Giants are out of it.
I think it will be a big mistake if the Giants pass on Haskins if he is on the board at 6. With that said I trust JonC and I don't think they will select him. I just hope they don't make the mistake of drafting Daniel Jones instead even if it's in round 2.
The potential Jones interest is very disheartening.
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If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
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If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
If they think Haskins is that guy then the answer is yes. Ideally he will fall to them at 6 and they would select him.
I have been pro Haskins, but the ball seems to take ... Â
If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
Second coming of Roethlisberger? How? They're both right handed?
Did you see Roethlisberger play at Miami of Ohio? Are you suggesting Haskins can improvise to the same level as BR? When has he done that?
For the record, BR started as freshman, sophomore, and junior. And he had three winning years in he MAC. 13-1 his final year. He had considerably less talent to work as well.
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NFL caliber runs???????/BOGGLE Surely you jest? I've read here on BBI multiple times and have it on strict BBI authority that Haskins has a peg leg?!?!
Has some faults in his game but he does not show them to the point where he should get knocked out of the sixth spot. He moves around in the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield, can make just about every throw, he can even run a little bit. He is not perfect but which QB is those were some great weather games for the most part with several balls a bit late arriving but he did not miss many open guys deep that’s not something we hear very often with Eli.
He is a young QB which this team needs nobody is a sure thing we got lucky with OBJ if we’re lucky enough to draft Haskins I’m all in for the pick.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Killed Michigan with drag and crossing routes all day. Doable when you have arguably the fastest WR core in college.
a little bit live during the season, but watching this confirms it. His footwork is awful. He must have great arm strength, cause he doesn't throw with his legs very much.
and have never watched one of his videos before, but it came up automatically after I watched the first video. I thought he had some good analysis and was pretty fair in his assessment. Figured I would share the link in case anyone had some free time. Haskins analysis - ( New Window )
Great video...found another one by the same guy with a great breakdown of Eli, OBJ and what he thinks the Giants should going forward...definitely recommend it! Eli, OBJ giants analysis - ( New Window )
Finally got around to watching this, and for me it just confirms Â
what I saw in thin slicing perspective from watching OSU games live.
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
what I saw in thin slicing perspective from watching OSU games live.
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
If you don't see that...
This should be required reading for the entire board and should once and for all end all the negative naysayers who obviously want Miller even though he will be selected at one. Just like Mayfield May have been our guy last year, he was selected one, so move on to the number two or three guy.
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
Pac-12 is way way down! Ok now we have issues!!
Murray isn’t slipping all the way to 6 that’s pretty clear.
I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
I think he was eating Twinkies on the sideline while the defense was playing.
But what stood out to me were his throws on the run: running to his right, he squared and threw off his left leg/foot; running to his left, he squared and threw off his right foot. He consistently squared his body to LOS to get max velocity/accuracy. His throws on the move were consistent and impressive.
I don't want to use a lot of picks to move up, and FMiC has a point, he looks puffy in his upper body, but i assume that's addressable if Haskins wants to. I just hate the use of draft capital here when there are so many holes.
Lol I was even going reply someone is going to take this way out of context.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
In regards to Haskins, you definitely see things through a different lense, than most.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
I didn't see anyone reacting NEARLY the way you describe. There are valid concerns against drafting him. Same as Murray and I love Murray. At the end of the day we are just having discussion about opinions formulated on what we see, and read. Personally I see us going defense in round one, but I'll be fine if the Giants are high enough on Haskins to select him (and he is actually there). I'll root for the pick as a Giants player unless/until he leaves or proves not worthy of support.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
Oregon had a great recruiting class this year. I think it's one of the reasons Herbert stayed. And I am still very curious to see how Kelly fixes UCLA. That's going to be very entertaining.
I thought Herm did a terrific job at ASU. Very interested to see what happens when his recruits start playing. He had a top 25 class this year.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Who said that?
Don’t overlook your last two sentences in what it means to the Giants FO. Haskins, Lock or even Rosen are QBs I’d be happy with learning behind Eli this season.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Where did anyone say any of that? I think most agree he has talent. I think there are very valid concerns about experience and adversity that he faced in game situations. If you don't believe me, go back and read NFL.com scouting report on him, lack of adversity/pressure is literally one of the big negatives highlighted for him.
There is no issue pointing out that 1 year starters in college have found limited success in the NFL (you can find this if you google articles about Haskins). Likewise, there is no issue pointing out that Urban Meyer qbs have not been great in the NFL (Alex Smith being the exception, but I think everyone can agree even he was primarily a game manager). There is also no issue or even controversy pointing out that he was on a great team, and largely had a talent advantage over his competitors.
I didn't see him elevate his team the way I saw of some other qbs in college, I saw him have as much or somewhat more success as the qbs who preceded him in that program. I saw Andrew Luck elevate his team at Standford, In 2017 I saw Sam Darnold elevate his team (we saw what happened the year after he left to USC), heck I even saw UCLA better with Rosen under center. I just didn't see the same thing from Haskins with OSU. It's a very legitimate concern to wonder whether his success was due more to him or to the team around him. Its not bias or prejudice just because you disagree with someone. If the Giants take him, great, they must have really done their homework enough to make a judgement on him.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
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has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
Not even close. I wasn't a fan of Haskins at first but the more I see and hear about him the more I want the Giants to select him. He'd be going to the perfect spot because he could sit behind Eli for half a season and then take over in the likely event that the Giants are out of it.
The potential Jones interest is very disheartening.
If they think Haskins is that guy then the answer is yes. Ideally he will fall to them at 6 and they would select him.
Not sure what you were watching cause I didn't see that.
That’s his comp by all scouts athletically
Second coming of Roethlisberger? How? They're both right handed?
Did you see Roethlisberger play at Miami of Ohio? Are you suggesting Haskins can improvise to the same level as BR? When has he done that?
For the record, BR started as freshman, sophomore, and junior. And he had three winning years in he MAC. 13-1 his final year. He had considerably less talent to work as well.
He is a young QB which this team needs nobody is a sure thing we got lucky with OBJ if we’re lucky enough to draft Haskins I’m all in for the pick.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Great video...found another one by the same guy with a great breakdown of Eli, OBJ and what he thinks the Giants should going forward...definitely recommend it!
Eli, OBJ giants analysis - ( New Window )
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
If you don't see that...
I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
Byron Leftwich .....
The release does remind me of Rivers a bit .
Dwayne Washington the Pearl
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
If you don't see that...
This should be required reading for the entire board and should once and for all end all the negative naysayers who obviously want Miller even though he will be selected at one. Just like Mayfield May have been our guy last year, he was selected one, so move on to the number two or three guy.