He’s definitely got an NFL Caliber arm. For those saying he has no mobility, you need to watch this. He’s got plenty of mobility and although he doesn’t look to run first, he’ll take off if he needs to. He also slides around the pocket well. I really have warmed up to this guy and would be thrilled with him. Unfortunately, I think we’ll have to move up to get him and use some of the draft capital we just acquired. I think we’d have to get up to 3 to pick him.
This was eye opening. He doesn’t look slow or can’t move here. Looks like he feels pressure very well.
I hope all these naysayers here watch this. I think they don’t know what they are talking about. They even convinced me he was too slow. Not anymore. Sure, he is not a fast runner like Miller, but he has plenty of other positive attributes.
They should show more of him rolling out and sliding in the pocket . He has the arm, but what about when things break down and he has to improvise ? Seems like they avoid that like the plaque. Would not trade up for him in any event. Give me Fromm next year or take a chance with Jones or Lock later in the draft.
Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
He does have a very quick release.
Good accuracy
He doesnt need a perfect platform to deliver the ball accurately on all three levels. Always looking downfield, even under pressure (just like Roethlisberger).
I have been all in on Rosen for #37 from the beginning but I am really warming up to Haskins at 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Did you not watch the TCU game, Penn State, Michigan, etc. He played against 6 of the top 51 Def and his OL was not very good. Not sure if you have seen him play at all really.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
The clean pocket stands out every time and we know that will not happen in the NFL. He has played in 13 games in college seeing virtually no pressure he did put up awesome stats. I would still pass on him at 6 and go defense and I would not trade up for him. Also if Arizona is blowing smoke on Kyler he could move down to 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
RE: In terms of mobility I see Roethlisberger... Â
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I think you have Haskins and Kyler Murray mixed up. Murray is the one with the amazing OL. Penn State, TCU, Michigan, Washington, etc he had a ton of pressure.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Prince was first team All Big Ten T and Michael Jordan was second team All Big Ten C.
Just brilliant...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Who cares how did against top Def? Clean pocket... go watch the Penn State game and tell me he had a clean pocket. Do you know what a clean pocket is. Have you see Kyler Murray games because he is the one with a ton of time to throw.
Hearing your comments I will help you. Yes you are taking Crazy pills... ya crazy!
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
Talk about Haskins having a clean pocket every game when last year Mayfield has an even better oline, way more time to sit back there and didn’t face nearly the half the defenses Haskins face and y’all were ready to anoint him the Savoior of the Giants if he fell to us at 2, with some even calling for a trade up with Cleveland smdh, gimme a fucking break.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
I did watch some of his games, didn't really change my opinion of him. In fact, you can go back to some of my older posts on him and see where I am completely neutral, because its tough to get a feel watching him.
Here's what I am not arguing, whether or not he is talented. He might very well be the next Ben, that's probably the best comparison I could draw based on a limited sample size. But I didn't see a qb making his team better, I saw a qb who was part of a great team. Again, not a knock on him, more of a concern about taking that type of qb so high. If the Giants take him, I hope he ends up the top qb in the game, but I also hope they did their homework and it isn't a panic move.
are a resulting from Haskins moving defenders with his eyes or buying some time with his feet.
Thank you!!! This is one of his strongest assets that very few QBs at this age have mastered! I’ve been saying this shit for a while! So thank you for telling these fools again! His eye manipulation is second to none!
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Simmer down there fella. No reason to attack with butt talking. I wasn't ranking them as far as pass defense stats. He never saw any kind of pressure like what Murray saw against Alabama. You are denying that he throws mostly from a clean pocket, when it's clearly the case. The fact of the matter if you read up on the OSU offense A) they had pretty damn good blocking and B) he had a designed screen option for almost every play that he could dump to under pressure (which he did OFTEN under pressure). And that's a problem in evaluating him successfully. Because he'd get killed behind what we have been trotting out on OL the last few years. And I'm not saying the guy doesn't have some talent, because he very clearly does. He has a good arm and looks good going through his progressions (to my eye). But the NFL is littered with QBs that had "some" talent.
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
The defensive rankings in the Big Ten are an illusion. Ignore it. The rest of the Big Ten can't score so it distorts the numbers.
Furthermore, the delta in the talent gap between OSU and the rest of the Big Ten teams is laughable. OSU recruits, as I'm sure you know, on the same level as Bama, Georgia and LSU. Their talent is elite.
I'm with you - I think Haskins is a talent. A very interesting talent. But he played under some terrific QB friendly circumstance and, to his credit, do well. But I'm not going to overrate that and try to apply context as to why his production was so good...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
Interesting...
Campbell maybe, but everyone else you mention won't get drafted until most likely the late 3rd to early 4th at best. It is funny how you talk like these guys are super stars, but Kyler Murray is going into this draft with how many of his teammates being drafted Hollywood Brown better than Campbell. He will have 5 OL draft this year. He played against weaker appoints. Does that mean he isn't a good QB?
To be honest I wasn't impressed with Ohio States talent. I think Paris is good. Dixon has potential, but the rest of that Offense is not that great. They have speed of course and can make big plays with the ball in their hands but that isn't everything. They drop to many passes for me.
Let me know if you want me to name all the 4 and 5 star recruits OSU has on their roster. I can help there, too.
Most top teams have 4 and 5 star talent. Michigan is loaded with them also. That game doesn't matter though. Washington is loaded with Def and has a great coach, but that game doesn't matter either. TCU also is loaded with Def talent, but again that game doesn't matter. Penn State is a loaded with talent, but game doesn't matter clearly.
It seems the only teams you value are SEC teams? Well that and Ohio State. You think SEC teams are elite and Ohio State talent is equal to them the way you talk.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
OSU is THE only program in the Big Ten, and the rest of the country, that recruits on the same level as the SEC. They are an SEC team in the Big Ten. Which was the goal of Meyer when he arrived.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
and have never watched one of his videos before, but it came up automatically after I watched the first video. I thought he had some good analysis and was pretty fair in his assessment. Figured I would share the link in case anyone had some free time. Haskins analysis - ( New Window )
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
How much was he sweating during these highlights Â
Guy is everywhere all of a sudden. I will give him he does give a solid breakdown and gives his opinion in a rational way unlike the vast majority of sports talk radio guys.
is correct in his assessment of OSU vs the rest of the Big 10.
Michigan is not a well coached or run program right now. They are very, VERY antiquated and out of date. There's a reason why Harbaugh's name is creeping up on hot seat lists.
That's why the Purdue game should setting off more alarm bells when it comes to evaluating Haskins.
OSU is THE only program in the Big Ten, and the rest of the country, that recruits on the same level as the SEC. They are an SEC team in the Big Ten. Which was the goal of Meyer when he arrived.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
I have no problem with evaluation of him. It is the fact that his team is loaded with talent and teams he plays aren't. That isn't true. Michigan ranks higher than Ohio State most years since Haurbaugh, and most of that is Def talent. Penn State recruits top 15 classes every year with Franklin. Washington top class with mostly Def studs. He played against good talent this year.
I have a problem he didn't see pressure and when he did he didn't play well. That isn't true. You can see games he was constantly under pressure and he performed very well statistically against pressure.
I like Haskins, but he has issues and that is why he isn't a lock to go #1. I think most of his issues are fixable. However lack of experience bothers me. I would prefer more mobility. I like how he floats in the pocket, but I would still prefer more mobile to be able to run for short gains when needed. He throws off his back foot at times. He doesn't always throw with his hips.
What I like about Haskins though is he is smart, he works, he is good at reading Def, high character, accurate, and most important to me really is a lightning quick release. He reminds me of Kurt Warner honestly.
This is a good draft if we go Def like Ed Oliver or one of the big 3 fall I would love to have them. I don't think we can go wrong here with Haskins or a top Def player.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
The clean pocket stands out every time and we know that will not happen in the NFL. He has played in 13 games in college seeing virtually no pressure he did put up awesome stats. I would still pass on him at 6 and go defense and I would not trade up for him. Also if Arizona is blowing smoke on Kyler he could move down to 6.
Murray isn’t slipping all the way to 6 that’s pretty clear.
he steps into his passes when in the pocket, good use of his lower and upper body for velocity. He steps up when able.
But what stood out to me were his throws on the run: running to his right, he squared and threw off his left leg/foot; running to his left, he squared and threw off his right foot. He consistently squared his body to LOS to get max velocity/accuracy. His throws on the move were consistent and impressive.
I don't want to use a lot of picks to move up, and FMiC has a point, he looks puffy in his upper body, but i assume that's addressable if Haskins wants to. I just hate the use of draft capital here when there are so many holes.
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
In regards to Haskins, you definitely see things through a different lense, than most.
he is Big ben at best, but his ball placement is elite at the college level...i think it carries over. personally i think he has all of the tools but will need to work on his footwork
Let's be honest, it wasn't a vintage year for the Pac-12.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
some of you act like unless he was under intense Â
pressure, completing 70% while getting the tar beaten out of him, then he SUCKS and can't play. The prejudice on this site against him is laughable. On top of that, you geniuses don't even know what you are looking at. In that video, he made a number of excellent throws with a free blitzer coming off the corner, correctly identified him and threw the ball IN THE AREA VACATED. that's advanced, high level stuff. I don't know if he'll make it, nobody here does. but the clean pocket bullcrap is just that- crap. He's an excellent prospect, on AND off the field. We would be lucky to have him.
RE: some of you act like unless he was under intense Â
pressure, completing 70% while getting the tar beaten out of him, then he SUCKS and can't play. The prejudice on this site against him is laughable. On top of that, you geniuses don't even know what you are looking at. In that video, he made a number of excellent throws with a free blitzer coming off the corner, correctly identified him and threw the ball IN THE AREA VACATED. that's advanced, high level stuff. I don't know if he'll make it, nobody here does. but the clean pocket bullcrap is just that- crap. He's an excellent prospect, on AND off the field. We would be lucky to have him.
I didn't see anyone reacting NEARLY the way you describe. There are valid concerns against drafting him. Same as Murray and I love Murray. At the end of the day we are just having discussion about opinions formulated on what we see, and read. Personally I see us going defense in round one, but I'll be fine if the Giants are high enough on Haskins to select him (and he is actually there). I'll root for the pick as a Giants player unless/until he leaves or proves not worthy of support.
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Maybe it's from years of watching ELi, but it is where the game is moving. It's why I loved Mayfield last year and why I love Haskins this year. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but if you are going to be a pocket passer in today's NFL you need to be able to create YAC for your receivers. Unfortunately that isn't a strenghth of Eli's game and why he hasn't aged well.
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
Oregon had a great recruiting class this year. I think it's one of the reasons Herbert stayed. And I am still very curious to see how Kelly fixes UCLA. That's going to be very entertaining.
I thought Herm did a terrific job at ASU. Very interested to see what happens when his recruits start playing. He had a top 25 class this year.
Not like the Alabama or Clemson QBs that everyone loves but... He didn’t just play on a good team, he dominated. He did things that has never been done before in his league and yet he is just OK. He does all the little things that make for a great QB. He also is a great kid. He would be a really great successor to Eli.
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Not like the Alabama or Clemson QBs that everyone loves but... He didn’t just play on a good team, he dominated. He did things that has never been done before in his league and yet he is just OK. He does all the little things that make for a great QB. He also is a great kid. He would be a really great successor to Eli.
Don’t overlook your last two sentences in what it means to the Giants FO. Haskins, Lock or even Rosen are QBs I’d be happy with learning behind Eli this season.
You must have hated all the years QBs were groomed and had to wait their turn. There are VERY few QBs coming out now that SHOULD start right away. There are a lot of things (like footwork) that these kids need to learn at the pro level they DON’T dominate college. A year of grooming under Eli would set Haskins or any of these guys up to succeed in 2020. Haskins is going to get better - a LOT better. A point I don’t see anyone making.
And state unequivocally you d be furious if he is a pick?
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Where did anyone say any of that? I think most agree he has talent. I think there are very valid concerns about experience and adversity that he faced in game situations. If you don't believe me, go back and read NFL.com scouting report on him, lack of adversity/pressure is literally one of the big negatives highlighted for him.
There is no issue pointing out that 1 year starters in college have found limited success in the NFL (you can find this if you google articles about Haskins). Likewise, there is no issue pointing out that Urban Meyer qbs have not been great in the NFL (Alex Smith being the exception, but I think everyone can agree even he was primarily a game manager). There is also no issue or even controversy pointing out that he was on a great team, and largely had a talent advantage over his competitors.
I didn't see him elevate his team the way I saw of some other qbs in college, I saw him have as much or somewhat more success as the qbs who preceded him in that program. I saw Andrew Luck elevate his team at Standford, In 2017 I saw Sam Darnold elevate his team (we saw what happened the year after he left to USC), heck I even saw UCLA better with Rosen under center. I just didn't see the same thing from Haskins with OSU. It's a very legitimate concern to wonder whether his success was due more to him or to the team around him. Its not bias or prejudice just because you disagree with someone. If the Giants take him, great, they must have really done their homework enough to make a judgement on him.
has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
I think it will be a big mistake if the Giants pass on Haskins if he is on the board at 6. With that said I trust JonC and I don't think they will select him. I just hope they don't make the mistake of drafting Daniel Jones instead even if it's in round 2.
has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
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has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
Not even close. I wasn't a fan of Haskins at first but the more I see and hear about him the more I want the Giants to select him. He'd be going to the perfect spot because he could sit behind Eli for half a season and then take over in the likely event that the Giants are out of it.
I think it will be a big mistake if the Giants pass on Haskins if he is on the board at 6. With that said I trust JonC and I don't think they will select him. I just hope they don't make the mistake of drafting Daniel Jones instead even if it's in round 2.
The potential Jones interest is very disheartening.
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If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
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If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
If they think Haskins is that guy then the answer is yes. Ideally he will fall to them at 6 and they would select him.
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If the Giants are "really" interested in taking a QB than to pass on Haskins will be a big mistake. Your looking for someone to lead your franchise for the next 10-15 yrs. staying at 6, moving up to 3 (even íf it costs #17) is relatively not relevant. I don't want to give up the picks but if you could get the second coming of Ben R. Isn't it worth it. "No guts No glory"
Second coming of Roethlisberger? How? They're both right handed?
Did you see Roethlisberger play at Miami of Ohio? Are you suggesting Haskins can improvise to the same level as BR? When has he done that?
For the record, BR started as freshman, sophomore, and junior. And he had three winning years in he MAC. 13-1 his final year. He had considerably less talent to work as well.
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NFL caliber runs???????/BOGGLE Surely you jest? I've read here on BBI multiple times and have it on strict BBI authority that Haskins has a peg leg?!?!
Has some faults in his game but he does not show them to the point where he should get knocked out of the sixth spot. He moves around in the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield, can make just about every throw, he can even run a little bit. He is not perfect but which QB is those were some great weather games for the most part with several balls a bit late arriving but he did not miss many open guys deep that’s not something we hear very often with Eli.
He is a young QB which this team needs nobody is a sure thing we got lucky with OBJ if we’re lucky enough to draft Haskins I’m all in for the pick.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Killed Michigan with drag and crossing routes all day. Doable when you have arguably the fastest WR core in college.
a little bit live during the season, but watching this confirms it. His footwork is awful. He must have great arm strength, cause he doesn't throw with his legs very much.
and have never watched one of his videos before, but it came up automatically after I watched the first video. I thought he had some good analysis and was pretty fair in his assessment. Figured I would share the link in case anyone had some free time. Haskins analysis - ( New Window )
Great video...found another one by the same guy with a great breakdown of Eli, OBJ and what he thinks the Giants should going forward...definitely recommend it! Eli, OBJ giants analysis - ( New Window )
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what I saw in thin slicing perspective from watching OSU games live.
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
what I saw in thin slicing perspective from watching OSU games live.
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
If you don't see that...
This should be required reading for the entire board and should once and for all end all the negative naysayers who obviously want Miller even though he will be selected at one. Just like Mayfield May have been our guy last year, he was selected one, so move on to the number two or three guy.
I hope all these naysayers here watch this. I think they don’t know what they are talking about. They even convinced me he was too slow. Not anymore. Sure, he is not a fast runner like Miller, but he has plenty of other positive attributes.
Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
This kid is the real deal folks. You don't throw for 50 plus TDS and have the %'s he had by luck.
I also saw on tape some movement, and a great compact side arm angle to shorter throws. Barkley should watch that and salivate.
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Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
He does have a very quick release.
Good accuracy
He doesnt need a perfect platform to deliver the ball accurately on all three levels. Always looking downfield, even under pressure (just like Roethlisberger).
I have been all in on Rosen for #37 from the beginning but I am really warming up to Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
Did you not watch the TCU game, Penn State, Michigan, etc. He played against 6 of the top 51 Def and his OL was not very good. Not sure if you have seen him play at all really.
Guess it is both good and bad. Good is his feet are always under him and can be set to throw quickly. Bad is he doesn't run very fast.
I am still unsure if he should be the guy if there at #6. I still like Devin White as a prospect better
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Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Agree
I think you have Haskins and Kyler Murray mixed up. Murray is the one with the amazing OL. Penn State, TCU, Michigan, Washington, etc he had a ton of pressure.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Just brilliant...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
So Roethlisberger?
I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Who cares how did against top Def? Clean pocket... go watch the Penn State game and tell me he had a clean pocket. Do you know what a clean pocket is. Have you see Kyler Murray games because he is the one with a ton of time to throw.
Hearing your comments I will help you. Yes you are taking Crazy pills... ya crazy!
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
I did watch some of his games, didn't really change my opinion of him. In fact, you can go back to some of my older posts on him and see where I am completely neutral, because its tough to get a feel watching him.
Here's what I am not arguing, whether or not he is talented. He might very well be the next Ben, that's probably the best comparison I could draw based on a limited sample size. But I didn't see a qb making his team better, I saw a qb who was part of a great team. Again, not a knock on him, more of a concern about taking that type of qb so high. If the Giants take him, I hope he ends up the top qb in the game, but I also hope they did their homework and it isn't a panic move.
Thank you!!! This is one of his strongest assets that very few QBs at this age have mastered! I’ve been saying this shit for a while! So thank you for telling these fools again! His eye manipulation is second to none!
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Simmer down there fella. No reason to attack with butt talking. I wasn't ranking them as far as pass defense stats. He never saw any kind of pressure like what Murray saw against Alabama. You are denying that he throws mostly from a clean pocket, when it's clearly the case. The fact of the matter if you read up on the OSU offense A) they had pretty damn good blocking and B) he had a designed screen option for almost every play that he could dump to under pressure (which he did OFTEN under pressure). And that's a problem in evaluating him successfully. Because he'd get killed behind what we have been trotting out on OL the last few years. And I'm not saying the guy doesn't have some talent, because he very clearly does. He has a good arm and looks good going through his progressions (to my eye). But the NFL is littered with QBs that had "some" talent.
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
The defensive rankings in the Big Ten are an illusion. Ignore it. The rest of the Big Ten can't score so it distorts the numbers.
Furthermore, the delta in the talent gap between OSU and the rest of the Big Ten teams is laughable. OSU recruits, as I'm sure you know, on the same level as Bama, Georgia and LSU. Their talent is elite.
I'm with you - I think Haskins is a talent. A very interesting talent. But he played under some terrific QB friendly circumstance and, to his credit, do well. But I'm not going to overrate that and try to apply context as to why his production was so good...
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Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
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Campbell maybe, but everyone else you mention won't get drafted until most likely the late 3rd to early 4th at best. It is funny how you talk like these guys are super stars, but Kyler Murray is going into this draft with how many of his teammates being drafted Hollywood Brown better than Campbell. He will have 5 OL draft this year. He played against weaker appoints. Does that mean he isn't a good QB?
To be honest I wasn't impressed with Ohio States talent. I think Paris is good. Dixon has potential, but the rest of that Offense is not that great. They have speed of course and can make big plays with the ball in their hands but that isn't everything. They drop to many passes for me.
Most top teams have 4 and 5 star talent. Michigan is loaded with them also. That game doesn't matter though. Washington is loaded with Def and has a great coach, but that game doesn't matter either. TCU also is loaded with Def talent, but again that game doesn't matter. Penn State is a loaded with talent, but game doesn't matter clearly.
It seems the only teams you value are SEC teams? Well that and Ohio State. You think SEC teams are elite and Ohio State talent is equal to them the way you talk.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
His pocket awareness and footwork also looked very good. With a year behind Eli, he'll learn all the nuances to become even better.
Pure pocket passer who can break contain when he needs too. He's a prototypical Giants QB.
Ernie must be drooling from his armchair. I'd take him at 6. No doubt in my mind.
Michigan is not a well coached or run program right now. They are very, VERY antiquated and out of date. There's a reason why Harbaugh's name is creeping up on hot seat lists.
That's why the Purdue game should setting off more alarm bells when it comes to evaluating Haskins.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
I have no problem with evaluation of him. It is the fact that his team is loaded with talent and teams he plays aren't. That isn't true. Michigan ranks higher than Ohio State most years since Haurbaugh, and most of that is Def talent. Penn State recruits top 15 classes every year with Franklin. Washington top class with mostly Def studs. He played against good talent this year.
I have a problem he didn't see pressure and when he did he didn't play well. That isn't true. You can see games he was constantly under pressure and he performed very well statistically against pressure.
I like Haskins, but he has issues and that is why he isn't a lock to go #1. I think most of his issues are fixable. However lack of experience bothers me. I would prefer more mobility. I like how he floats in the pocket, but I would still prefer more mobile to be able to run for short gains when needed. He throws off his back foot at times. He doesn't always throw with his hips.
What I like about Haskins though is he is smart, he works, he is good at reading Def, high character, accurate, and most important to me really is a lightning quick release. He reminds me of Kurt Warner honestly.
This is a good draft if we go Def like Ed Oliver or one of the big 3 fall I would love to have them. I don't think we can go wrong here with Haskins or a top Def player.
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
Michigan's vaunted DL get schooled by OSU's OL. Although I was informed above that OSU's OL stinks.
Look, I think the Big Ten, outside of Columbus, was really down. When Michigan played outside their conference, they lost. Notre Dame dominated them early and win. And when they played in their bowl game against the Gators, they got waxed.
And please don't bring a Pac-12 team into this. Pac-12 football is way, way down.
Pac-12 is way way down! Ok now we have issues!!
Murray isn’t slipping all the way to 6 that’s pretty clear.
I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
I think he was eating Twinkies on the sideline while the defense was playing.
But what stood out to me were his throws on the run: running to his right, he squared and threw off his left leg/foot; running to his left, he squared and threw off his right foot. He consistently squared his body to LOS to get max velocity/accuracy. His throws on the move were consistent and impressive.
I don't want to use a lot of picks to move up, and FMiC has a point, he looks puffy in his upper body, but i assume that's addressable if Haskins wants to. I just hate the use of draft capital here when there are so many holes.
Lol I was even going reply someone is going to take this way out of context.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
In regards to Haskins, you definitely see things through a different lense, than most.
If you don't know, I watched Haskins play in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD.
My wife and I thought about sending my son there. So we went to two games. Haskins was really a terrific high school prospect. It's very cool seeing a local product shine.
But I'm just trying to be fair and call it as I see it. And take all factors into account with watching Haskins play. It just seems we see things through a different lens. No big deal...
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
I didn't see anyone reacting NEARLY the way you describe. There are valid concerns against drafting him. Same as Murray and I love Murray. At the end of the day we are just having discussion about opinions formulated on what we see, and read. Personally I see us going defense in round one, but I'll be fine if the Giants are high enough on Haskins to select him (and he is actually there). I'll root for the pick as a Giants player unless/until he leaves or proves not worthy of support.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Actually I will say this about the Pac-12... It was some of their best Def I have seen in years. Cal played some amazing Def... I mean their offense was bad... no pathetic.. worse than pathetic... But Def was up. We don't have the luxury of the SEC to play 4 cream puffs and only 8 conference games. Ok fine it wasn't the best year.... Whatever it clearly doesn't bother me.
Oregon had a great recruiting class this year. I think it's one of the reasons Herbert stayed. And I am still very curious to see how Kelly fixes UCLA. That's going to be very entertaining.
I thought Herm did a terrific job at ASU. Very interested to see what happens when his recruits start playing. He had a top 25 class this year.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Who said that?
Don’t overlook your last two sentences in what it means to the Giants FO. Haskins, Lock or even Rosen are QBs I’d be happy with learning behind Eli this season.
Don’t want him ok, got it, everyone entitled to an opinion.
But stating authoritatively he s a bust is laughable
Where did anyone say any of that? I think most agree he has talent. I think there are very valid concerns about experience and adversity that he faced in game situations. If you don't believe me, go back and read NFL.com scouting report on him, lack of adversity/pressure is literally one of the big negatives highlighted for him.
There is no issue pointing out that 1 year starters in college have found limited success in the NFL (you can find this if you google articles about Haskins). Likewise, there is no issue pointing out that Urban Meyer qbs have not been great in the NFL (Alex Smith being the exception, but I think everyone can agree even he was primarily a game manager). There is also no issue or even controversy pointing out that he was on a great team, and largely had a talent advantage over his competitors.
I didn't see him elevate his team the way I saw of some other qbs in college, I saw him have as much or somewhat more success as the qbs who preceded him in that program. I saw Andrew Luck elevate his team at Standford, In 2017 I saw Sam Darnold elevate his team (we saw what happened the year after he left to USC), heck I even saw UCLA better with Rosen under center. I just didn't see the same thing from Haskins with OSU. It's a very legitimate concern to wonder whether his success was due more to him or to the team around him. Its not bias or prejudice just because you disagree with someone. If the Giants take him, great, they must have really done their homework enough to make a judgement on him.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
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has been Roethlisberger but today I realized another QB that he reminded me of. Haskins is very similar to Jamarcus Russell. Now that might seem like an insult because Russell was a huge bust but the reason Russell busted was because he was incredibly lazy and flat out didn't care. He had a great arm but he wasn't the most mobile QB mainly. His weight didn't help him in that regard. Personality and work ethic wise Haskins is nothing like Rusell.
Russell wasn't as football smart as Haskins has shown.
Not even close. I wasn't a fan of Haskins at first but the more I see and hear about him the more I want the Giants to select him. He'd be going to the perfect spot because he could sit behind Eli for half a season and then take over in the likely event that the Giants are out of it.
The potential Jones interest is very disheartening.
If they think Haskins is that guy then the answer is yes. Ideally he will fall to them at 6 and they would select him.
Not sure what you were watching cause I didn't see that.
That’s his comp by all scouts athletically
Second coming of Roethlisberger? How? They're both right handed?
Did you see Roethlisberger play at Miami of Ohio? Are you suggesting Haskins can improvise to the same level as BR? When has he done that?
For the record, BR started as freshman, sophomore, and junior. And he had three winning years in he MAC. 13-1 his final year. He had considerably less talent to work as well.
He is a young QB which this team needs nobody is a sure thing we got lucky with OBJ if we’re lucky enough to draft Haskins I’m all in for the pick.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Great video...found another one by the same guy with a great breakdown of Eli, OBJ and what he thinks the Giants should going forward...definitely recommend it!
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He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
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I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
Byron Leftwich .....
The release does remind me of Rivers a bit .
Dwayne Washington the Pearl
He jumps off the tape as something completely different from what I expected from an OSU or Justin Meyers QB.
Remarkably accurate throws time and time again into tight windows all over the field, nice array of power vs touch throws even both together.
Cool under pressure, always looking to throw rather than run very good down field and sideline to sideline vision.
Nice footwork within the pocket and a decent feel which way to hop, skip or slide, although occasionally he gets away with some really bad decisions about how and where to move when flushed.
I'm not going to call out specific posters that have been knocking him for various issues, but if you don't see a top 5 pick talent at QB in him, you really have problems evaluating QB talent.
And the narrative about him having "all day" in the pocket is utter BS. LOTS of that tape is under duress, he's just so cool about it - most of the time- you don't notice it. Look at the tape vs Maryland where OSUs D tried to hand away that win drive after 4th qtr drive. Haskins stepped up and won that game for OSU, almost single handedly.
He's the goods and the Gmen will be very very fortunate to land him at 6. To hell with the narrative that "he didn't start enough games." Bullshit. You really don't need to see more of him, and if he did stay and more or less repeat that performance he'd be spoken of as potentially #1 overall, even with Tua, Fromm, and Herbert in play. Don't over think it, or him. Granted it's highlights...
If you don't see that...
This should be required reading for the entire board and should once and for all end all the negative naysayers who obviously want Miller even though he will be selected at one. Just like Mayfield May have been our guy last year, he was selected one, so move on to the number two or three guy.