He’s definitely got an NFL Caliber arm. For those saying he has no mobility, you need to watch this. He’s got plenty of mobility and although he doesn’t look to run first, he’ll take off if he needs to. He also slides around the pocket well. I really have warmed up to this guy and would be thrilled with him. Unfortunately, I think we’ll have to move up to get him and use some of the draft capital we just acquired. I think we’d have to get up to 3 to pick him.
This was eye opening. He doesn’t look slow or can’t move here. Looks like he feels pressure very well.
I hope all these naysayers here watch this. I think they don’t know what they are talking about. They even convinced me he was too slow. Not anymore. Sure, he is not a fast runner like Miller, but he has plenty of other positive attributes.
They should show more of him rolling out and sliding in the pocket . He has the arm, but what about when things break down and he has to improvise ? Seems like they avoid that like the plaque. Would not trade up for him in any event. Give me Fromm next year or take a chance with Jones or Lock later in the draft.
Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
He does have a very quick release.
Good accuracy
He doesnt need a perfect platform to deliver the ball accurately on all three levels. Always looking downfield, even under pressure (just like Roethlisberger).
I have been all in on Rosen for #37 from the beginning but I am really warming up to Haskins at 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Did you not watch the TCU game, Penn State, Michigan, etc. He played against 6 of the top 51 Def and his OL was not very good. Not sure if you have seen him play at all really.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
The clean pocket stands out every time and we know that will not happen in the NFL. He has played in 13 games in college seeing virtually no pressure he did put up awesome stats. I would still pass on him at 6 and go defense and I would not trade up for him. Also if Arizona is blowing smoke on Kyler he could move down to 6.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
RE: In terms of mobility I see Roethlisberger... Â
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I think you have Haskins and Kyler Murray mixed up. Murray is the one with the amazing OL. Penn State, TCU, Michigan, Washington, etc he had a ton of pressure.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Prince was first team All Big Ten T and Michael Jordan was second team All Big Ten C.
Just brilliant...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Who cares how did against top Def? Clean pocket... go watch the Penn State game and tell me he had a clean pocket. Do you know what a clean pocket is. Have you see Kyler Murray games because he is the one with a ton of time to throw.
Hearing your comments I will help you. Yes you are taking Crazy pills... ya crazy!
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
Talk about Haskins having a clean pocket every game when last year Mayfield has an even better oline, way more time to sit back there and didn’t face nearly the half the defenses Haskins face and y’all were ready to anoint him the Savoior of the Giants if he fell to us at 2, with some even calling for a trade up with Cleveland smdh, gimme a fucking break.
Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
I did watch some of his games, didn't really change my opinion of him. In fact, you can go back to some of my older posts on him and see where I am completely neutral, because its tough to get a feel watching him.
Here's what I am not arguing, whether or not he is talented. He might very well be the next Ben, that's probably the best comparison I could draw based on a limited sample size. But I didn't see a qb making his team better, I saw a qb who was part of a great team. Again, not a knock on him, more of a concern about taking that type of qb so high. If the Giants take him, I hope he ends up the top qb in the game, but I also hope they did their homework and it isn't a panic move.
are a resulting from Haskins moving defenders with his eyes or buying some time with his feet.
Thank you!!! This is one of his strongest assets that very few QBs at this age have mastered! I’ve been saying this shit for a while! So thank you for telling these fools again! His eye manipulation is second to none!
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Simmer down there fella. No reason to attack with butt talking. I wasn't ranking them as far as pass defense stats. He never saw any kind of pressure like what Murray saw against Alabama. You are denying that he throws mostly from a clean pocket, when it's clearly the case. The fact of the matter if you read up on the OSU offense A) they had pretty damn good blocking and B) he had a designed screen option for almost every play that he could dump to under pressure (which he did OFTEN under pressure). And that's a problem in evaluating him successfully. Because he'd get killed behind what we have been trotting out on OL the last few years. And I'm not saying the guy doesn't have some talent, because he very clearly does. He has a good arm and looks good going through his progressions (to my eye). But the NFL is littered with QBs that had "some" talent.
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
The defensive rankings in the Big Ten are an illusion. Ignore it. The rest of the Big Ten can't score so it distorts the numbers.
Furthermore, the delta in the talent gap between OSU and the rest of the Big Ten teams is laughable. OSU recruits, as I'm sure you know, on the same level as Bama, Georgia and LSU. Their talent is elite.
I'm with you - I think Haskins is a talent. A very interesting talent. But he played under some terrific QB friendly circumstance and, to his credit, do well. But I'm not going to overrate that and try to apply context as to why his production was so good...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
Interesting...
Campbell maybe, but everyone else you mention won't get drafted until most likely the late 3rd to early 4th at best. It is funny how you talk like these guys are super stars, but Kyler Murray is going into this draft with how many of his teammates being drafted Hollywood Brown better than Campbell. He will have 5 OL draft this year. He played against weaker appoints. Does that mean he isn't a good QB?
To be honest I wasn't impressed with Ohio States talent. I think Paris is good. Dixon has potential, but the rest of that Offense is not that great. They have speed of course and can make big plays with the ball in their hands but that isn't everything. They drop to many passes for me.
Let me know if you want me to name all the 4 and 5 star recruits OSU has on their roster. I can help there, too.
Most top teams have 4 and 5 star talent. Michigan is loaded with them also. That game doesn't matter though. Washington is loaded with Def and has a great coach, but that game doesn't matter either. TCU also is loaded with Def talent, but again that game doesn't matter. Penn State is a loaded with talent, but game doesn't matter clearly.
It seems the only teams you value are SEC teams? Well that and Ohio State. You think SEC teams are elite and Ohio State talent is equal to them the way you talk.
It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
Rivarly game against Michigan 16 ranked D in the country hung 62 points and a win(They were higher than 16 before game but this performance dropped them) 19/30 319 yards 5 TDS Bowl game against Washington 5th ranked D 28 points 25/37 253 3 TDs Both team had players on D that will starting for their NFL teams in 2019. High Pressure games against quality defenses.
OSU is THE only program in the Big Ten, and the rest of the country, that recruits on the same level as the SEC. They are an SEC team in the Big Ten. Which was the goal of Meyer when he arrived.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
and have never watched one of his videos before, but it came up automatically after I watched the first video. I thought he had some good analysis and was pretty fair in his assessment. Figured I would share the link in case anyone had some free time. Haskins analysis - ( New Window )
I hope all these naysayers here watch this. I think they don’t know what they are talking about. They even convinced me he was too slow. Not anymore. Sure, he is not a fast runner like Miller, but he has plenty of other positive attributes.
Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
This kid is the real deal folks. You don't throw for 50 plus TDS and have the %'s he had by luck.
I also saw on tape some movement, and a great compact side arm angle to shorter throws. Barkley should watch that and salivate.
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Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking specifically on his throwing mechanics.
He does have a very quick release.
Good accuracy
He doesnt need a perfect platform to deliver the ball accurately on all three levels. Always looking downfield, even under pressure (just like Roethlisberger).
I have been all in on Rosen for #37 from the beginning but I am really warming up to Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
Who?
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
Did you not watch the TCU game, Penn State, Michigan, etc. He played against 6 of the top 51 Def and his OL was not very good. Not sure if you have seen him play at all really.
Guess it is both good and bad. Good is his feet are always under him and can be set to throw quickly. Bad is he doesn't run very fast.
I am still unsure if he should be the guy if there at #6. I still like Devin White as a prospect better
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
Yes. Penn State pressured him and they really didn't score many points until the 4th quarter. The caliber of defenses he faced (with a couple of exceptions) was not all that high.
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Agree
I think you have Haskins and Kyler Murray mixed up. Murray is the one with the amazing OL. Penn State, TCU, Michigan, Washington, etc he had a ton of pressure.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Just brilliant...
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
So Roethlisberger?
I've never seen a QB so out of shape. I think he was sweating in some of those plays!!!
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
Who cares how did against top Def? Clean pocket... go watch the Penn State game and tell me he had a clean pocket. Do you know what a clean pocket is. Have you see Kyler Murray games because he is the one with a ton of time to throw.
Hearing your comments I will help you. Yes you are taking Crazy pills... ya crazy!
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
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Also show what most posters are afraid of with Haskins, a qb facing little pressure throwing to guys running free in space? That's what I saw and its fairly clear. Not saying he isn't talented but I am not sure how you walk away from this video feeling better about taking Haskins at 6.
You are crazy or biased or maybe not very observant, not sure which one. Maybe you should watch it again and take notes this time.
Huh?? Did you even watch the video, hes throwing to wide open guys and facing little pressure. In many instances he standing back in a picture perfect pocke. I mean, you gotta wonder with some BBI posters, its literally on the film.
I mean, the Michigan game highlights- his apparent claim to fame around here- he faces legit pocket collapsing pressure once...and takes off running. On his "highlight" throws, one is to a receiver who is even arguably contested, and the DB is trailing. The remainder are to guys who are running free. I mean, there are throws where the WRs are so open they have to slow down for the ball to get to them.
If you want to argue about his talent, fine no problem, he looks like he might have some. But to argue his team wasn't significantly better than the teams he played and that this video somehow dispels that, is borderline lunacy.
Right Michigan Def the #2 pass Def in all the NCAA with a ton of talent and first round draft picks was significantly worse to you? This is just getting stupid now.
Who care about rankings, go watch the highlight films, its very apparent.
Don't watch the highlights... watch the games. Maybe that is your problem. You only watch highlights. Rankings matter because if a QB is playing a poor pass def then his stats will go what? come on you can do it... Yes up. If he is playing a strong pass def what will happen to his stats... yes go down. Playing top Def absolutely matters. Hell it is a huge factor. I don't want my QB playing cupcakes and padding stats.
I did watch some of his games, didn't really change my opinion of him. In fact, you can go back to some of my older posts on him and see where I am completely neutral, because its tough to get a feel watching him.
Here's what I am not arguing, whether or not he is talented. He might very well be the next Ben, that's probably the best comparison I could draw based on a limited sample size. But I didn't see a qb making his team better, I saw a qb who was part of a great team. Again, not a knock on him, more of a concern about taking that type of qb so high. If the Giants take him, I hope he ends up the top qb in the game, but I also hope they did their homework and it isn't a panic move.
Thank you!!! This is one of his strongest assets that very few QBs at this age have mastered! I’ve been saying this shit for a while! So thank you for telling these fools again! His eye manipulation is second to none!
He faced 6 of the top 51 passing Def and passed for 1900+ yards 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball right off the WRs hands). You are talking out of your butt.
Simmer down there fella. No reason to attack with butt talking. I wasn't ranking them as far as pass defense stats. He never saw any kind of pressure like what Murray saw against Alabama. You are denying that he throws mostly from a clean pocket, when it's clearly the case. The fact of the matter if you read up on the OSU offense A) they had pretty damn good blocking and B) he had a designed screen option for almost every play that he could dump to under pressure (which he did OFTEN under pressure). And that's a problem in evaluating him successfully. Because he'd get killed behind what we have been trotting out on OL the last few years. And I'm not saying the guy doesn't have some talent, because he very clearly does. He has a good arm and looks good going through his progressions (to my eye). But the NFL is littered with QBs that had "some" talent.
Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
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It's no worth it. Unless Haskins actually has the Starbucks coffee cup in his hand, they can't see that he had an inordinate amount of time to pick which open receiver to throw to...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this guy and then seeing the reaction from some of these posters. Throwing up defensive ranks stats, or his stats? Who cares, hes sitting in a clean pocket the vast majority of this video.
To clarify, again, I am not arguing his ability, he might be fantastic. The main reason for that, is you just cannot tell with these videos, hes not doing anything differently than you see many power conference D1 qbs doing.
To give you all a little level set, JT Barrett threw for 35td and 9 ints the year prior, in a similar system. Does anyone consider JT Barrett the number 6 pick in this draft??
The defensive rankings in the Big Ten are an illusion. Ignore it. The rest of the Big Ten can't score so it distorts the numbers.
Furthermore, the delta in the talent gap between OSU and the rest of the Big Ten teams is laughable. OSU recruits, as I'm sure you know, on the same level as Bama, Georgia and LSU. Their talent is elite.
I'm with you - I think Haskins is a talent. A very interesting talent. But he played under some terrific QB friendly circumstance and, to his credit, do well. But I'm not going to overrate that and try to apply context as to why his production was so good...
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Oh so Prince is a stud... what round will he be drafted in? He has great size and if he was so amazing playing for a top team he would be a high draft pick. He won't be because he wasn't all that good. Plus two Offense lineman really. So the Giants didn't need to add Zeitler because they had a LT and LG? Come on man you are better than this. Go watch the games I listed and try and say he didn't see pressure. That OL was not good.
You said the OL stunk. I said two were all Big 10. You ignore that, seemingly because your are Dante Scarnecchia's son and now OL play, and choose to cast it off as insignificant.
And when Campbell and McLaurin go in the first two round. I'm sure you will say they stunk as WRs.
And when Dobbins and Weber get drafted as RBs, you'll say they stink.
And when the two TEs, Farreel and Berry, get drafted, I'm sure you'll say they stink.
I guess it makes it even more remarkable how great Haskins was this year. No talent to rely on but he still put up gargantuan numbers...
Interesting...
Campbell maybe, but everyone else you mention won't get drafted until most likely the late 3rd to early 4th at best. It is funny how you talk like these guys are super stars, but Kyler Murray is going into this draft with how many of his teammates being drafted Hollywood Brown better than Campbell. He will have 5 OL draft this year. He played against weaker appoints. Does that mean he isn't a good QB?
To be honest I wasn't impressed with Ohio States talent. I think Paris is good. Dixon has potential, but the rest of that Offense is not that great. They have speed of course and can make big plays with the ball in their hands but that isn't everything. They drop to many passes for me.
Most top teams have 4 and 5 star talent. Michigan is loaded with them also. That game doesn't matter though. Washington is loaded with Def and has a great coach, but that game doesn't matter either. TCU also is loaded with Def talent, but again that game doesn't matter. Penn State is a loaded with talent, but game doesn't matter clearly.
It seems the only teams you value are SEC teams? Well that and Ohio State. You think SEC teams are elite and Ohio State talent is equal to them the way you talk.
You mentioned Murray earlier. I have problems with him, too. In general, I wouldn't draft any of this year's QB prospects in the first round, let alone at #6.
Again, it's not that I don't like Haskins. I do like his talent. I just think he's not worthy of a #6 investment - that's all. There is better defensive talent this year at their positions than Haskins is at his...
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