every year the media blows up the available QBs and they all move up the board.
Quarterbacks taken in the first round
2007
1: JaMarcus Russell, Raiders
22: Brady Quinn, Browns
2008
3: Matt Ryan, Falcons
18: Joe Flacco, Ravens
2009
1: Matthew Stafford, Lions
5: Mark Sanchez, Jets
17: Josh Freeman, Buccaneers
2010
1: Sam Bradford, Rams
25: Tim Tebow, Broncos
2011
1: Cam Newton, Panthers
8: Jake Locker, Titans
10: Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars
12: Christian Ponder, Vikings
2012
1: Andrew Luck, Colts
2: Robert Griffin III, Redskins
8: Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins
22: Brandon Weeden, Browns
2013
16: EJ Manuel, Bills
2014
3: Blake Bortles, Jaguars
22: Johnny Manziel, Browns
32: Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings
2015
1: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers
2: Marcus Mariota, Titans
2016
1: Jared Goff, Rams
2: Carson Wentz, Eagles
26: Paxton Lynch, Broncos
2017
2: Trubisky
10: Mahomes
12: Watson
there are some good picks in there obviously but a lot aren't the home runs people thought they would be. Notice how many times the Browns are up there...
way too many QBs don't translate well to the NFL and I see no point in taking one just to make the media and rabid fans happy.
If DG passes on the top rated guys this year whether they go before our pick or not it's going to be ugly in the media but looking back historically it really isn't warranted.
If you genuinely believe that teams are drafting QBs because the media gives those prospects more attention, I don't know what to tell you.
How can you not agree.
If you're waiting for the perfect QB fit, you might be waiting forever.
We're trying to win championships here and sometimes you just have to roll the dice when your picking high up. That doesn't mean reach for someone, but if there is a certain skill set that you see that that can be refined you pull the trigger and don't look back. The idea of an apprenticeship under the tutelage of a two-time Super Bowl QB and the consummate pro makes me think that this is the perfect opportunity to go for it (and I don't mean with the 17th pick). I recall some GM saying pretty recently "No guts. No glory"
So, you think DG is going to be pressured into taking a QB he doesn't want because of the media/fans. Really? Then this post shouldn't be about QBs it should be about firing DG being stupid enough to be pressured into taking a QB he doesn't want because of the media/fans.
But you do have to be convinced that the guy you pick is the real deal. That's why picking a guy lower because he is a "better value" doesn't normally lead to success. There are only a small number of people that are really good at this job at this level.
Interesting stat.
Statistically speaking, you could spend a mid/late round pick on a QB hoping for the next Tom Brady, and you'd most likely die before you hit on one as a true franchise QB.
Or you can take one near the top of the draft where, despite the risk, you have a MUCH better chance of finding a successful QB.
Here's the thing that some people fail to grasp: every position has busts. Dion Jordan sucked. Trent Richardson sucked. Jason Smith sucked. Aaron Curry sucked. Justin Gilbert sucked. Troy Williamson sucked. Vernon Gholston sucked.
If you're looking for a sure thing, you probably should avoid the NFL draft entirely. And don't move the goalposts - if the standard in your OP is that a QB needs to be a franchise QB or it's a wasted pick, then you can't lower the bar to "starting caliber" for other positions. There are plenty of "starting caliber" QBs that you're classifying as bad picks here.
Well then, like I said. You should be writing about what a dope you think DG might be because you think he might be pressured into a drafting a QB he doesn't want because of media/fan pressure. Doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the QBs drafted in the past.
Think he does not pick for need in the draft. I like it.
You can end up married to Peyton Manning or you can end up married to Jamarcus Russel. Peyton will have statues of him erected in Indy. Raiders franchise is still recovering from that pick.
If you mess up drafting that pick you set your franchise back for years.
So you had better be in love with the pick. So with that being said, there should be a certain amount of caution. If you are not in love and certain, don’t put a ring on it. There are no prenups for rookie deals.
we do not have a strong team, and haven't really had an overall strong team in a long time.
How can you not agree.
Shouldn't you only draft someone if you're 100% certain he is the guy? Giants need a QB. When and where do you expect them to get one?
Should they stay pat and draft another Ereck Flowers or Eli Apple in the top 10?
Who?
Including Ryan and Newton.
What this tells you.....appriciate Eli....as it will be awhile before we have another one like him.
Do you honestly think that any GM, let alone DG thinks the media and fans know better about what's best for the team than he does?
Give me a break.
we wouldn't know a lot of these names if they didn't go high in the draft. Teams reach all the time. it has nothing to do whether i think he's an idiot or not. i think maybe you're trying to push that narrative.
I personally don't think DG will reach this year unless Haskins or somehow Murray are there at 6.
will be fun to see half this board meltdown when its day 3 and we still didn't pick a QB.
we do not have a strong team, and haven't really had an overall strong team in a long time.
Good QBs make teams strong, too. And since you can more easily build a strong team with the cap room gained by having a QB on his rookie deal, and because QBs tend to have longer shelf lives than other positions, waiting for your roster to be fully built up before you go looking for a QB is not necessarily the most efficient play.
You draft for the best value to your team when the opportunities are there, and it's never simply BPA (do you think the Giants would take a RB at #6 if he was the BPA this year?). Maybe there's a QB this year that fits best value, maybe there's not. That's for DG to determine.
It won't be because the fans want a QB. It won't be for fear of the media. It won't be because the rest of the roster isn't good enough. It'll be because the QB position is the most important on the field and the Giants feel there is one available that will make their team better for the next decade or more.
we wouldn't know a lot of these names if they didn't go high in the draft. Teams reach all the time. it has nothing to do whether i think he's an idiot or not. i think maybe you're trying to push that narrative.
I personally don't think DG will reach this year unless Haskins or somehow Murray are there at 6.
will be fun to see half this board meltdown when its day 3 and we still didn't pick a QB.
What kind of douche roots for a meltdown?
Here's some news for you - there are a lot of people who are hoping the Giants have an opportunity to secure their successor to Eli and will still manage to maintain their sanity if/when the Giants go in another direction. The Giants are picking in the top 10 for the 4th time in 5 years. I'm pretty sure the fans are going to be optimistic about any player they pick being a difference maker for this team's future.
But go ahead and root for a meltdown. You seem like a swell guy.
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He’s saying you don’t force it. You only draft a QB if you are 100% certain he is the guy. And he’s also saying most picks in the 1st are busts or are not franchise QBs.
How can you not agree.
Shouldn't you only draft someone if you're 100% certain he is the guy? Giants need a QB. When and where do you expect them to get one?
Should they stay pat and draft another Ereck Flowers or Eli Apple in the top 10?
no we should've made better picks like Gurley/GOrdon/Peat or Tunsil or try like hell to trade back.
I've been around since the infamous 03/05. i remember how people here acted when it looked like San Diego got the better of our trade.
I've been around since the infamous 03/05. i remember how people here acted when it looked like San Diego got the better of our trade.
What does the 2005 free agency haul when we signed Pierce, Burress, and McKenzie have to do with the Eli trade? Or are you confusing 3/05 with 4/04?
they weren't here freaking out in 05? or 06? or 07 before the Bills game?
the same way you guys are freaking out because i'm giving an opinion on why we shouldn't force a pick in 2019 because you guys wanted a QB last year...
we wouldn't know a lot of these names if they didn't go high in the draft. Teams reach all the time. it has nothing to do whether i think he's an idiot or not. i think maybe you're trying to push that narrative.
I personally don't think DG will reach this year unless Haskins or somehow Murray are there at 6.
will be fun to see half this board meltdown when its day 3 and we still didn't pick a QB.
I'm not the one pushing any narrative. You said you think DG may reach based on media/fan pressure. That would make him an idiot. The fact that some QBs haven't panned out doesn't mean teams reached because of media/fan pressure. More likely they were just wrong about the talent. You're the one with the explanations that don't make much sense.
they weren't here freaking out in 05? or 06? or 07 before the Bills game?
the same way you guys are freaking out because i'm giving an opinion on why we shouldn't force a pick in 2019 because you guys wanted a QB last year...
You want an example of someone freaking out. This would be it.
Well, you couldn't be correct. Platos said so.
The one that win Super Bowls. The one who win games with 4th qtr come backs. The one who raise the play of everyne else.
I think that would be wise.
We could try to limit topics to things that don't include presupposing that Gettleman might make his draft day decisions on the basis of fan support or media backlash. Would that be a fair compromise?
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we have Lauletta?
Who?
Is he out of traffic school?
Others like Manuel, J.P. Losman, and Winston had enough question marks that should have taken them out of the first round, sometimes way out of the first round.
Yet Drew Brees fell to the top of the 2nd round, and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder.
What this goes to show is that most teams still don't have any idea of how to properly evaluate prospects for the most important position in the game. So they swing for the fences and strike out a lot.
You trade for a prospect from another team, as the Packers did when they got Brett Favre from Atlanta, and as many now want the Giants to do with Rosen from the Cardinals.
You can trade for an established QB, as the Giants once did for Tarkenton. Very very difficult to do.
You can sign a free agent and hope you get lucky, as the Giants did with Kerry Collins (released IIRC) and the Saints did with Drew Brees (coming off injury).
All in all, I wouldn't get too stuck on drafting a QB for need. Getting the right guy is more important than getting a guy right now.
I'd rather get the 1st rd pick right. Just because some GM's and scouts in the past have been incompetent doesn't mean the GMEN should ignore taking a 1st rd pick. It seems like you are resigning to taking a later pick because other teams are incompetent and youare possibly scared of your own shadow. .
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than continually waste 1st round picks where you are almost certain to get a good starting caliber player.
I'd rather get the 1st rd pick right. Just because some GM's and scouts in the past have been incompetent doesn't mean the GMEN should ignore taking a 1st rd pick. It seems like you are resigning to taking a later pick because other teams are incompetent and youare possibly scared of your own shadow. .
Quantity over quality picks rarely works out.
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than continually waste 1st round picks where you are almost certain to get a good starting caliber player.
I'd rather get the 1st rd pick right. Just because some GM's and scouts in the past have been incompetent doesn't mean the GMEN should ignore taking a 1st rd pick. It seems like you are resigning to taking a later pick because other teams are incompetent and youare possibly scared of your own shadow. .
Quantity over quality picks rarely works out.
Huh? WHat does that have to do with what I posted in reply to the OP?