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The Draft, Giants QB, and Shepard

ShocktoBeck : 3/22/2019 11:04 pm
Just speculating here, but something DG said post the Beckham trade doesn’t leave my mind:
He said “We traded Becham for AT LEAST 3 players”. Granted, that can mean he would later trade one of the pieces we got back from the Browns for 2 pieces down the line. But here is a thought:

Considering the Tate signing, this being the last year of Shep’s contract, the lesson learned from not getting anything in return for Landon Collins, and our need for a future QB, what if DG is planning to use Shep in a trade to acquire our future QB? Some options could be:

- Trade Shep+our number 37 pick in exchange for Rosen and the Cardinals 4th round pick. Shep can help Murray as a safe and capable option in the slot, we obviously can use Tate in that role. The Cards’ 4th is the first pick in the round. We would then have no.95 and no.96. Not bad. We can then use those to trade back into the second round if we want to.
The Cards get: Shepard+no.37 to pair with their no.1 and no.33.
The Giants get to keep no.6 and 17, get their future QB and no.95 and no.96.

- Trade Shep+no.17 for a top 5 pick. That’s a stretch, so perhaps DG then adds no.95 to get a deal over the line. Thought there is to be in position to get Haskins (if the Giants are sold. For the record - I’m not).

- Trade Shep+no.95 for a bottom half of the second round. You then have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

Obviously a willing partner needs to be found to pull off the latter two. If he pulls off the first option, I’d be very pleased.

My point is, I think the signs are pointing to a trade on SS. Thoughts?
I mentioned a SS trade right after the Tate signing  
Saos1n : 3/22/2019 11:21 pm : link
Im not sure if any of what you posted are realistic. I would guess a 3rd, or a very late 2nd, unlikely, is all we could hope for. I like Shepard, but if they don’t plan on resigning him after this season, which I hope they don’t, they may as well learn their lesson from the Collins situations and deal him now.
I think DG would consider trading Shep as well as JJ.  
yatqb : 3/22/2019 11:21 pm : link
A year too early vs. a year too late.
This is less crazy  
CT Charlie : 3/22/2019 11:29 pm : link
than a lot of speculation on this site. Tate certainly makes Shep seem redundant, which suggests the FO would be will to trade Shep because: a) they don't want to overpay to keep him next year, or b) they consider him a protegé of OBJ and they want to push the reset button all the way in.
I think you’re reading too much  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/22/2019 11:30 pm : link
I think he just meant players signed with freed up cap space next year.

I could see SS being traded  
81_Great_Dane : 3/22/2019 11:36 pm : link
But there are a couple of issues in play.

1– The Giants have 12 picks this year. They could trade him for a pick but how many rookies can they keep? If it’s a true rebuild, a lot, but then it doesn’t make sense to start Eli. So they may we’ll be looking at acquiring 2020 picks too.

2– The Giants have a bunch of late pick that are statistically unlikely to turn into valuable players. Ahmad Bradshaws are rare. Even David Diehls are rare. More picks improve the odds but it’s still longshots and projects on Day 3. Earlier picks improve the odds more than additional late picks. So I think the Giants will probably want to flip some of those picks to move up, even a little. I could see Shepard and late picks for an early pick. Or Just late picks for earlier 2019 or 2020 picks.
Huh  
Sullivan10x : 3/22/2019 11:36 pm : link
Beckham WAS traded for 3 players...

Peppers, 17th pick and late 3rd round pick.


Not sure what this has to do with Shep.
Shepard  
AndyB : 3/22/2019 11:58 pm : link
Sterling Shepard has one year remaining on his rookie deal.

Without a new contract Shepard has little trade value.

In 2018, about a week after signing him to a one-year contract, the Dolphins traded Jarvis Landry to the Browns for fourth and seventh round picks in the 2018 draft. The Giants wouldn't get nearly as much for Shepard.
I thought about this as well  
kelsto811 : 3/23/2019 12:09 am : link
But I'm starting to think he will be kept, simply because he fits the type player the Giants are looking to build the team around right now; good character/extra effort guy, above average talent, reliable, consistent. He's also proven to be an excellent downfield blocker, which could be important with the team the Giants seem to be building.
I don't see Shepard going anywhere ...  
Manny in CA : 3/23/2019 12:30 am : link

Tate was signed to be the best of the "committee" that will attempt to fill the "X" role that OBJ filled all by himself.

The receiver "pickins" are slim in this year's draft, so they'll have to limp-along through this coming season and hope that the 2020 is better.

Shep is a keeper at the slot, Tate and everybody else, for now are JAGS or throw-aways. The only guy with a high ceiling is Cory Coleman, who has yet to prove himself.
RE: Shepard  
giantstock : 3/23/2019 12:34 am : link
In comment 14353855 AndyB said:
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Sterling Shepard has one year remaining on his rookie deal.

Without a new contract Shepard has little trade value.

In 2018, about a week after signing him to a one-year contract, the Dolphins traded Jarvis Landry to the Browns for fourth and seventh round picks in the 2018 draft. The Giants wouldn't get nearly as much for Shepard.


+1
Chantel and Ciara are friends  
Reale01 : 3/23/2019 1:09 am : link
Just sayin'
What makes anyone think that Shepard would be in demand  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 3/23/2019 1:12 am : link
by other teams? In his career so far he's played a very obscure number two receiver to Beckham. He does not stand out by speed or height, hasn't made the Pro Bowl, and as a member of a bottom-feeder club he's gotten few chances to impress anyone on the national stage. He was initially very poor in yards after catch, although he has shown improvement.

If the Giants are really trying to win with Manning, leave him at least one of the receivers to whom he is used to throwing.
They’re not going to trade Shep  
tyrik13 : 3/23/2019 1:59 am : link
Unlike Beckham, they actually like Shep and what he brings to the team, DG and Shurmur both said as much. They said he can play on the outside or inside as a smaller receiver. He and Tate can play simultaneously and they both can be moved around. He’s not going anywhere and truth be told I don’t want to see him leave.
Also Shep came on strong  
tyrik13 : 3/23/2019 2:06 am : link
Down the stretch the last couple of games notching a career high 872 yards, another career high of 66 catches, his TDs tailed off but that can be chalked up to manning. He’s gotten better year by year.
RE: I think you’re reading too much  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/23/2019 2:59 am : link
In comment 14353845 Jim in Fairfax said:
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I think he just meant players signed with freed up cap space next year.


Bingo, right answer.
RE: Chantel and Ciara are friends  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/23/2019 3:14 am : link
In comment 14353873 Reale01 said:
Quote:
Just sayin'


But one can dream, cannot one?
RE: Shepard  
section125 : 3/23/2019 5:51 am : link
In comment 14353855 AndyB said:
Quote:
Sterling Shepard has one year remaining on his rookie deal.

Without a new contract Shepard has little trade value.

In 2018, about a week after signing him to a one-year contract, the Dolphins traded Jarvis Landry to the Browns for fourth and seventh round picks in the 2018 draft. The Giants wouldn't get nearly as much for Shepard.


That is not true. If the new team wanted Shepard to keep, they would work out a new deal.
Remember, after the Beckham trade it was said his value was highest last year before the season and new contract.
The vibes seem to indicate  
joeinpa : 3/23/2019 7:04 am : link
Little Giants interesting Rosen.

But with Gettleman no scenerio should be ruled out, guy is a bit of maverick
Arizona has their slot guy in Christian Kirk.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/23/2019 7:12 am : link
If they want another player in addition to 37 I doubt it'll be Shep.
RE: Huh  
smshmth8690 : 3/23/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14353848 Sullivan10x said:
Quote:
Beckham WAS traded for 3 players...

Peppers, 17th pick and late 3rd round pick.


Not sure what this has to do with Shep.


I get what ShocktoBeck is getting at. Gettleman clearly did say at least 3 players. I took that as being 3 for now, maybe he will be looking to trade down, out of the 17th?

Also remember the asshat info we were giving regarding post OBJ trade info. (paraphrasing) 'others should rent, and not buy, hint, hint'
I know that many thought that was aimed at SS, so a contract year trade may be on the way.
I'm confused about your Landon Collins "Lesson"?  
ZogZerg : 3/23/2019 8:46 am : link
So, you are saying that he should have traded him for a 4th round pick instead of getting a 3rd comp pick?
Don’t want to be too hash  
BillT : 3/23/2019 9:25 am : link
But that all sounds a bit like Madden. They may trade Shep but the idea that the Golden trade makes Shep expendable is overblown. We need two capable WR and those two are that. Do you want to go into the season with Golden, Lattimer and a rookie as our top three WR.
My  
mdthedream : 3/23/2019 9:48 am : link
thinking is it would be New England seeing they have cleared cap room and he fits them well.
Not against the result but the reasoning is confusing  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 10:16 am : link
I'm talking about the "at least 3 players" part.

OBJ was traded for ...

1. Jabril Peppers
2. Whoever we get with the #17 pick
3. Whoever we get with the #29 pick
4. Could be several things like freed up money for another player. They picked up several. Could be freed up money in 2020 to sign players as well.

Point is it's easily 3 players but I would guesstimate closer to 4 or 5 players. Possibly more.
Why  
PaulN : 3/23/2019 11:46 am : link
Shepherd is a good player, we need him now that Beckham is gone, and fuck Rosen. He is not the future we want, trust me on that, he will be an injury waiting to happen, just look at him.
Really?  
Doomster : 3/23/2019 1:26 pm : link
I don't see Shepard going anywhere ...
Manny in CA : 12:30 am : link : reply
Shep is a keeper at the slot, Tate and everybody else, for now are JAGS or throw-aways. The only guy with a high ceiling is Cory Coleman, who has yet to prove himself.


That makes Tate a very expensive JAG....

As for Shepard, he has shown he is a slot receiver, not a wide out....and he has come up short too many times in critical situations over the years.......he is a good blocker in the running game....but when you say more about a guy's blocking than receiving, that says a lot....

I think it would be a mistake to overpay this guy on his next contract......if you can trade him, do it and get something for him.....
Maybe they’d trade shep  
djm : 3/23/2019 2:01 pm : link
For a higher pick in 2020 than what they would get in this 2019 draft. Let’s say they could get a 3rd in 2019 that same team might be willing to give up the 2nd in 2020. Picks today are worth more than tomorrow’s picks. Plus, the giants have a million picks in this draft. Stands to reason...
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