One of the lessons I've learned from following the draft all of these years is that us fans often get caught up in draft group think over players.
There is often a "consensus" pecking order of players by position. Then the draft rolls around and the pecking order goes out the window as NFL execs have completely different views. The inevitable, "Wow, what are the (blank team) doing? That is crazy!"
This happens every year.
I only raise this as I've already seen the group think develop on BBI in terms of which players should go in which order. But as I receive different draft guides (which obviously are not infallible either), they often have completely different views.
What I like about Sy is not afraid to break from the ranks and voice his own opinion. I just got another guide (DTP) like that and my first reaction to looking at who is ranked where is, "Wow, that's different!" (i.e., this guy LOVES Clelin Ferrell, though he says he's a better fit for a 4-3; has Drew Lock as the clearcut #1 QB, etc.)
The various opinions are fascinating, but they leave your head spinning too. This is all subjective. But the one thing I know is the 2019 NFL Draft won't fall the way people think it should. And the Giants just may be one of those teams, sitting at #6, where the "experts" say, "What are they doing?"
The QB position is one where my head is spinning. People are all over the place with these guys. Some may interpret that as meaning that none are good enough, but that's not necessarily true. We've all seen "sure thing" QB's be more disappointing than guys taken later who weren't supposed to be as good.
Like a marriage, everyone has different expectations on what is the perfect spouse.
Bellichek has proven this year over year in drafting what fits for him over what people perceive as the better prospect.
We still are trying to figure out what is Gettleman's system and what he values most. I am assuming touched by the hand of God but they haven't started testing that at the combine.
Will be interesting top 6 because of all the turnover in those franchises and not knowing what to expect.
Murray is a perfect example....between Arizona and Murray's camp behavior....lead everyone to conclude he is going 1st.
We are lucky to have guys like Sy and Dave Te.....with their own beliefs.
Murray is a perfect example....between Arizona and Murray's camp behavior....lead everyone to conclude he is going 1st.
We are lucky to have guys like Sy and Dave Te.....with their own beliefs.
Bingo. I think it happens all of the time with experts. They don't want to lose their credibility and play it safe.
NO ONE had Baker Mayfield #1 overall until the day before.
The "Experts" really don't know what teams think about players.
isn't that the whole point of the NFL draft?
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This happened last year with the QBs and it is happening again with the 2020 QBs. You don't draft a group/position. You draft a player. I cringe when I constantly read that we will draft a QB next year. Or in 2018 when we constantly heard we will draft a QB at 2. No, you don't settle for what is left. This is a marriage and you have to live with this decision for at least the next 5 years.
The QB position is one where my head is spinning. People are all over the place with these guys. Some may interpret that as meaning that none are good enough, but that's not necessarily true. We've all seen "sure thing" QB's be more disappointing than guys taken later who weren't supposed to be as good.
IMO a lot of people here think he sucks because they have watched tape of him throwing, or in some cases actually went to see him live, like FMiC said twice. And were not impressed. I like Like could a lot more than some people and pretty much all the pundits who seem to be begging him for the back half of the first round.
Anyway I think he's got the two most important traits you can't teach, a great arm and a quick release.
So don’t automatically assume the Giants will get locked out of Boss, Allen, or Williams.
A team in front of the Giants may want a CB and take Greedy. SF seems to be dusting for a WR — maybe they reach for Metcalf.
These mocks and projections aren’t set in stone.
When some player you hate gets picked top ten just remember that you’re not a scout. You don’t have all the info.
PS— don’t remember where I heard it but an nfl icon exec recently said that some of the best scouts and GMs in nfl history were and are terrible at scouting qbs. They over think it. I do agree there.
One thing that I do personally feel is that QBs are different than any other position as it is extremely rare some guy comes along that doesn’t have any questions. A RB like Barkley who was an incredible prospect mostly has a few things to do and it’s easy to judge. Can he run, can he catch, can he block etc... QBs are so different in that they have a million things to look at and are very very dependent on the system they play in, and the players they have to work with. It’s a much harder position to fill and it leads people to often look at and dwell on things that probably aren’t really important.
5 wins sounds about right for this team.
Jones is one of the most polarizing prospects because for every legitimate positive there is a legitimate negative.
Furthermore, at least for me, the argument isn't about a prospect sucking. It's about debating where the prospect should properly be drafted.
For Jones, I see him as solid third round prospect. The third round is good and complimentary. There are a lot of quality players who emerge from the third round.
he has taken here was sickening well this is probably
it for Eli not easy to replace an Iron man type player
we couldn't have wished for more two Lombardi's should
have been three if Plax doesn't glock himself ..
We will get his replacement this year or next and hope
he can live up to expectations .
For me Jones is an awful pick. He looks so plodding. He has disaster pick written all over him for rd 1 or early rd 2.
But labeling Haskins and Lock as if they are significantly below Darnold and Rosen is flawed analysis, IMO.
Do you think Phillip Rivers has had a nice career as an NFL QB? He'd give his left nut to have the arm strength and accuracy of either of those guys, and he was drafted #4 overall and put out a heck of a career.
Eric's post is very correct, and the most surprising part is how this pattern repeats itself every year, and following year we all still think we have it figured out.
Reality is that teams and analysts are not always in lockstep on these players, and they're actually pretty often far apart or have very different evaluations.
Scouting and drafting will always be an inexact science.
When the Giants drafted JPP, so many people were up in arms over it. Who the hell is this guy!??! Etc.
Well, I think all in all, JPP turned out to be a pretty damn good draft pick. Even if for 2011 alone. He was worth it.
The biggest problem with the draft really, is that we live in a world where everyone needs to opine immediately - but draft prospects can' t be judged until the've neared the end of their rookie deal.
So, we can say we like or don't like certain picks... but there's no way to prove they're bad picks (or great picks) when they're made no matter how hard people make insistences in either direction.