I really dread this and might delete after I write it up instead of posting. I know, I know! Not another Eli Manning thread. However, I really liked this one. I feel it was a well thought out analysis of Eli Manning with a little extra as it showed some interesting things about OBJ as well. Maybe one of many reasons why they traded him?
Please don't turn this into an absurd Eli Manning hater/lover thing. Well, at least not in some disrespectful manner. I'm just posting it because I thought it was worth passing along.
The one for Eli Manning was posted today and here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7l3vv82_Eg
There was a post not long ago where this same guy did an analysis for Dwayne Haskins. He holds a YouTube podcast called Strong Opinion Sports. He seems to do a good job breaking down the plays and what not. In that thread are also links to Josh Rosen and Kyler Murray
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2& thread=580543
In the interest of saving time to find his other reviews:
Haskins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu08P-dh8gY
Murray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQtdCgtWpc
Josh Rosen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU
Sorry I didn't see. I probably still would have posted this as I think it's worth it's own thread. Well, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking it was a good vid. :-)
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I just posted this in the Haskins thread...highly recommended!
Sorry I didn't see. I probably still would have posted this as I think it's worth it's own thread. Well, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking it was a good vid. :-)
Oh, it’s definitely worthy of its own thread...thought about doing just that when I posted it, glad you did. The guy does a great job IMO.
I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.
Yeh the problem wasn't the checkdowns it was that we were consistently in 3rd and very long. The defense is only going to give you checkdowns.
We have Zeitler who is a clear upgrade at RG, but we still have a gaping hole at RT. That hole isn't going to be filled by a retread with a bad back. Dave isn't going to wait until the later rounds to address it. We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks.
He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
You ever throw a damp ball in a downpour? Think that may have hinder it a bit?
He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?
I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.
Legs go into steep decline, arms don't outside of injury. Anyone watches some sports knows this.
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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that
He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?
He had a whole section on what to do next. If you are going to analyze him and point to th OL, do you not also need to look at later on when the OL changes?
Flowers played just 5 games for the Giants last year. What about the other 11?
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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that
He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?
I know the focus of the podcast wasn't exclusively on the Giants, but in some of his examples on the awful OL, it was Omameh utterly useless. It would be interesting to see a more thorough review of the OL throughout the season. Because even though we all know Flowers/Omameh were horrendous, it would be interesting to compare the incremental improvement of Wheeler/Brown. We have since upgraded RG with Zeitler. The next gaping hole is upgrading RT.
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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that
He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?
He had a whole section on what to do next. If you are going to analyze him and point to th OL, do you not also need to look at later on when the OL changes?
Flowers played just 5 games for the Giants last year. What about the other 11?
All he said was Flowers sucks, no need to qualify it with games played....not mentioning the current free agent addition is no big deal IMO.
Come to that same conclusion about Eli.
...we're stuck with him, until we're not.
I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.
So out of that entire breakdown your one takeaway is that Eli made a bad throw on a deep out? Talk about cherry picking.
I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...
That doesn't change the fact that sometime in the next year (or two) the Giants will be moving on to another QB. So the Giants have to get the next guy in place sooner rather than later.
I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...
That doesn't change the fact that sometime in the next year (or two) the Giants will be moving on to another QB. So the Giants have to get the next guy in place sooner rather than later.
Eli has not been able to handle guys like OBJ and Shockey in his career. Guys that are loud and demand the ball all the time. He has had more success with more team first guys like Toomer, Nicks, etc. Burress was not exactly soft spoken, but he wasn’t as demonstrative on the field if he wasn’t getting the ball.
I do not hate Eli, he is my all time favorite player, nor do I want to make someone else’s thread about my opinion. I did not criticize his analysis of Eli and the throws he makes, etc.
But whatever my opinion on that, it doesn’t make me wrong about this.
He doesn’t appear to know basic facts about the Giants whom he is analyzing. Ereck Flowers is long gone and we have added a major upgrade on the OL.
Suggesting we use the 6 pick on OL because Flowers stinks and failing to mention that we have made a major change to the OL makes me question his preparation. Maybe we should use the 6 on OL but it’s not because of Flowers,
He also recommends trading for Rosen, which I agree with, but how seriously can I weigh his judgement with the above stated problem.
We have Zeitler who is a clear upgrade at RG, but we still have a gaping hole at RT. That hole isn't going to be filled by a retread with a bad back. Dave isn't going to wait until the later rounds to address it. We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks.
You're probably right, but it bugs me because it reminds me of 2013, when the Giants failed to find a RT in free agency and then drafted Justin Pugh in the 1st Round to fill that hole...instead of drafting the guy I wanted them to draft - Tyler Eifert.
I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.
That’s one play in a horrendous weather game. Even if it was bright and sunny, any QB can throw a crappy ball at any moment. Put together a string of samples from last season that don’t have a lineman about to take his head off, and then you have some evidence to support your argument. With one play example, you do not.
His insight made sense to me. Have to go back and watch the Will Grier stuff, see what he thinks.
Thanks for posting.
Lol, let’s hope we draft a new Center.
I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...
It also supports the insinuation that OBJ would not be the best player for a new QB. If Eli with his 2 pelts on the wall and 15 years in the league seems to cater to OBJ by forcing throws, what would a rookie be compelled to do?
1. At 15:30 he very clearly says he did all the work and watched every Giants game from 2018.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=930
2. Eli had a higher completion percentage with Engram, Ellison, Latimer, Simonson, and Coleman than he did with OBJ. This supports his argument of taking chances with OBJ when he should have taken the easier pass. I'm not saying any of them are better players than OBJ. I'm just saying it shows that Eli is more successful with other receivers than trying to force the ball to OBJ. Eli could instead dink and dunk his way down the field and ignore the big play to OBJ by forcing it (OBJ is almost always double covered).
https://www.fantasysp.com/target-touch-leaders/NYG/all
Actually, I'll speed this up a bit.
OBJ: 62%
Sheppard: 62%
Engram: 70%
Ellison: 71%
Latimer: 69%
Simonson: 64%
Coleman: 63%
BTW, just for grins:
Barkley: 75%
Elijhaa Penny: 89%
I'll say it again. I feel this was a very fair assessment and I think this guy really did his homework first. I think he researched the contract on Solder but didn't look into the RT very hard. He simply watched how bad the entire OL was.
'We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks'...from your lips to Gods ears.
Our OL was terrible that is certainly not in dispute. But it also seems to be that our GM says he "fixed" the OL as per his end of yeAr press conference and that this was the primary reason behind the improved play in the 2nd half of the year where our defense became the problem
He places the blame on OL and Odell which is fine and accurate but we actually had 4 games last season where we had improved OL play and no Odell so shoukdnt the analysis be focused on that to prove his conclusions?
Teams bracket Beckham and give him as much or more attention than any wr in football- of course their is a higher percentage to others left 1 in 1
He places the blame on OL and Odell which is fine and accurate but we actually had 4 games last season where we had improved OL play and no Odell so shoukdnt the analysis be focused on that to prove his conclusions?
Problem #1: Neither Gettleman, Shurmur, Eli, or any member of the NY Giants organization would or should say anything bad about anyone currently in the Giants' organization. Gettleman, Shurmer, Eli, etc may be stuck with these players to start the 2019 season. How would you play if your GM publicly called you garbage?
Problem #2: Was he suppose to base his analysis on what the GM said about the team? The last thing I care about if I'm assessing a team is what the GM said publicly about his team.
We have one poster that's complaining that he doesn't think he did a full year analysis and another saying he should have only reviewed the games when OBJ didn't play. It's illogical to do that. OBJ was on the roster, taking up salary cap space, and no other outside threat. While he sits out for "an injury", he's just a waste of cap space at that point. We all have to wait and see how they do with OBJ off the roster, off the books, and with the 1st and 3rd round picks they got from the Browns. If they turn one of those picks into a dominant RT, WR, TE (blocking/passing), etc, I think we will see far more improvement than with OBJ. However, we are not fortune tellers and we can't tell that simply by having OBJ sit out .... I mean nurse himself back to health from an injury.
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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.
You ever throw a damp ball in a downpour? Think that may have hinder it a bit?
It's never Eli's fault
Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960
He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.
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Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him
Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960
He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.
Sy has already let it be known that he thinks that Rosen is a better option than Haskins or Murray
Thanks! I must have missed that. That will change my draft board then. Not that my draft board will mean much but I like to play along.
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Sy has already let it be known that he thinks that Rosen is a better option than Haskins or Murray
Thanks! I must have missed that. That will change my draft board then. Not that my draft board will mean much but I like to play along.
I believe Sy also said he'd give up the Giants 6 for him right now.
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Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him
Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960
He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.
And on that piece I agree with him. I doubt there is a single person that believes getting a new QB can solve all of the Giants problems. Most of us believe though that the Giants need a QB to rebuild though.