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Eli Manning Film Analysis - Podcast by Zac Shomler

USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 12:43 pm

I really dread this and might delete after I write it up instead of posting. I know, I know! Not another Eli Manning thread. However, I really liked this one. I feel it was a well thought out analysis of Eli Manning with a little extra as it showed some interesting things about OBJ as well. Maybe one of many reasons why they traded him?

Please don't turn this into an absurd Eli Manning hater/lover thing. Well, at least not in some disrespectful manner. I'm just posting it because I thought it was worth passing along.

The one for Eli Manning was posted today and here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7l3vv82_Eg

There was a post not long ago where this same guy did an analysis for Dwayne Haskins. He holds a YouTube podcast called Strong Opinion Sports. He seems to do a good job breaking down the plays and what not. In that thread are also links to Josh Rosen and Kyler Murray
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2& thread=580543

In the interest of saving time to find his other reviews:

Haskins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu08P-dh8gY

Murray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQtdCgtWpc

Josh Rosen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU


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Ha...  
Strip-Sack : 3/23/2019 12:44 pm : link
I just posted this in the Haskins thread...highly recommended!
RE: Ha...  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14354227 Strip-Sack said:
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I just posted this in the Haskins thread...highly recommended!

Sorry I didn't see. I probably still would have posted this as I think it's worth it's own thread. Well, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking it was a good vid. :-)
RE: RE: Ha...  
Strip-Sack : 3/23/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14354243 USAF NYG Fan said:
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In comment 14354227 Strip-Sack said:


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I just posted this in the Haskins thread...highly recommended!


Sorry I didn't see. I probably still would have posted this as I think it's worth it's own thread. Well, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking it was a good vid. :-)


Oh, it’s definitely worthy of its own thread...thought about doing just that when I posted it, glad you did. The guy does a great job IMO.
Excellent breakdown....including the little leadership tidbit  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/23/2019 1:02 pm : link
Never was Eli's strong suit...he has always been a more lead by example type but that is something an psychological leader can put in check.
LMAO he completely destroys the "Check-down Charlie"  
montanagiant : 3/23/2019 1:10 pm : link
Contingent on BBI
Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
Tesla : 3/23/2019 1:12 pm : link
but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.

I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.
RE: LMAO he completely destroys the  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/23/2019 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14354261 montanagiant said:
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Contingent on BBI


Yeh the problem wasn't the checkdowns it was that we were consistently in 3rd and very long. The defense is only going to give you checkdowns.
It isn't a groundbreaking the revelation  
Diver_Down : 3/23/2019 1:20 pm : link
that our OL sucked last year. But it was nice to hear someone who is independent thinking acknowledge that the problem wasn't Eli or OBJ, but the OL.

We have Zeitler who is a clear upgrade at RG, but we still have a gaping hole at RT. That hole isn't going to be filled by a retread with a bad back. Dave isn't going to wait until the later rounds to address it. We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks.
This guy didnt do his homework  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 1:21 pm : link
Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that

He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either
RE: Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
dep026 : 3/23/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14354263 Tesla said:
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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.



You ever throw a damp ball in a downpour? Think that may have hinder it a bit?
RE: This guy didnt do his homework  
Strip-Sack : 3/23/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14354276 twostepgiants said:
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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that

He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either


Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?
RE: Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/23/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14354263 Tesla said:
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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.

I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.

Legs go into steep decline, arms don't outside of injury. Anyone watches some sports knows this.
RE: RE: This guy didnt do his homework  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14354292 Strip-Sack said:
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In comment 14354276 twostepgiants said:


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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that

He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either



Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?


He had a whole section on what to do next. If you are going to analyze him and point to th OL, do you not also need to look at later on when the OL changes?

Flowers played just 5 games for the Giants last year. What about the other 11?
RE: RE: This guy didnt do his homework  
Diver_Down : 3/23/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14354292 Strip-Sack said:
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In comment 14354276 twostepgiants said:


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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that

He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either



Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?


I know the focus of the podcast wasn't exclusively on the Giants, but in some of his examples on the awful OL, it was Omameh utterly useless. It would be interesting to see a more thorough review of the OL throughout the season. Because even though we all know Flowers/Omameh were horrendous, it would be interesting to compare the incremental improvement of Wheeler/Brown. We have since upgraded RG with Zeitler. The next gaping hole is upgrading RT.
RE: RE: RE: This guy didnt do his homework  
Strip-Sack : 3/23/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14354299 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 14354292 Strip-Sack said:


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In comment 14354276 twostepgiants said:


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Ereck Flowers is no longer on the Giants and he doesnt seem to know that

He doesnt seem to be aware that the Giants traded for Zeitler either



Flowers was on the team last year and Zeitler wasn’t which might explain this, no?



He had a whole section on what to do next. If you are going to analyze him and point to th OL, do you not also need to look at later on when the OL changes?

Flowers played just 5 games for the Giants last year. What about the other 11?


All he said was Flowers sucks, no need to qualify it with games played....not mentioning the current free agent addition is no big deal IMO.
The guy suggests using the 6 pick on OL  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 1:48 pm : link
Which isn’t a bad suggestion but his first stated reason as to why is that Ereck Flowers sucks.
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threeofakind33 : 3/23/2019 1:52 pm : link
Yes, he was our starting tackle for part of the year. He was saying our tackles sucked. They did. We still need more help on the OL. If one of our top three picks isn’t used on an OL, we have failed.
Seems like people who actually KNOW football  
David B. : 3/23/2019 1:52 pm : link
at the Xs and Os level. Like this guy and Gettleman.

Come to that same conclusion about Eli.
the Video is really good and informative  
chuckydee9 : 3/23/2019 1:54 pm : link
but it just shows examples.. I am not sure he reviewed the entirety of the games.. for example he mentions that Eli is very safe with the Ball except when he is throwing to OBJ.. if this were true then the number would play out.. More interceptions, lower Passer rating lower completion % when throwing to OBJ vs other Pass catchers.. however we know this is not true or even remotely true.. Eli is a bottom 5 QB when throwing to everyone outside of OBJ over the past few years.. when throwing to OBJ he is above average QB.. So yes you can see the example of the eagles games play right before the half and say "look Eli just doesn't play it safe when throwing to OBJ but otherwise he is fine".. But thats just not true.. his efficiency and overall numbers are much worse when throwing to other players.. Also while he points out 2 plays where OBJ isn't happy after the pass.. but thats it.. if it was really distraction then media won't leave it alone.. from all accounts of people at the stadium OBJ wasn't a distraction on the sidelines.. outside of the Kicking Net thing..
twostep hates Eli  
eric2425ny : 3/23/2019 1:56 pm : link
At this point in his career, he apparently is the rot with this team. Any analysis that makes Eli look not to blame in any fashion is going to be treated as blasphemy.
Here's my bottom line on Eli Manning...  
M.S. : 3/23/2019 1:57 pm : link

...we're stuck with him, until we're not.
RE: Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
Scuzzlebutt : 3/23/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14354263 Tesla said:
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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.

I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.


So out of that entire breakdown your one takeaway is that Eli made a bad throw on a deep out? Talk about cherry picking.
yes he screwed up in not knowing that flowers was cut  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/23/2019 2:08 pm : link
but, he did say that he watched all of the Giant games and he started by believing the media hype. When he watched objectively he changed his mind about Eli. He thinks that Eli can still play and make all the throws.

I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...

That doesn't change the fact that sometime in the next year (or two) the Giants will be moving on to another QB. So the Giants have to get the next guy in place sooner rather than later.
RE: yes he screwed up in not knowing that flowers was cut  
eric2425ny : 3/23/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14354334 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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but, he did say that he watched all of the Giant games and he started by believing the media hype. When he watched objectively he changed his mind about Eli. He thinks that Eli can still play and make all the throws.

I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...

That doesn't change the fact that sometime in the next year (or two) the Giants will be moving on to another QB. So the Giants have to get the next guy in place sooner rather than later.


Eli has not been able to handle guys like OBJ and Shockey in his career. Guys that are loud and demand the ball all the time. He has had more success with more team first guys like Toomer, Nicks, etc. Burress was not exactly soft spoken, but he wasn’t as demonstrative on the field if he wasn’t getting the ball.
RE: twostep hates Eli  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14354320 eric2425ny said:
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At this point in his career, he apparently is the rot with this team. Any analysis that makes Eli look not to blame in any fashion is going to be treated as blasphemy.


I do not hate Eli, he is my all time favorite player, nor do I want to make someone else’s thread about my opinion. I did not criticize his analysis of Eli and the throws he makes, etc.

But whatever my opinion on that, it doesn’t make me wrong about this.

He doesn’t appear to know basic facts about the Giants whom he is analyzing. Ereck Flowers is long gone and we have added a major upgrade on the OL.

Suggesting we use the 6 pick on OL because Flowers stinks and failing to mention that we have made a major change to the OL makes me question his preparation. Maybe we should use the 6 on OL but it’s not because of Flowers,

He also recommends trading for Rosen, which I agree with, but how seriously can I weigh his judgement with the above stated problem.
RE: It isn't a groundbreaking the revelation  
Klaatu : 3/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14354273 Diver_Down said:
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that our OL sucked last year. But it was nice to hear someone who is independent thinking acknowledge that the problem wasn't Eli or OBJ, but the OL.

We have Zeitler who is a clear upgrade at RG, but we still have a gaping hole at RT. That hole isn't going to be filled by a retread with a bad back. Dave isn't going to wait until the later rounds to address it. We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks.


You're probably right, but it bugs me because it reminds me of 2013, when the Giants failed to find a RT in free agency and then drafted Justin Pugh in the 1st Round to fill that hole...instead of drafting the guy I wanted them to draft - Tyler Eifert.
RE: Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
dannyduffle : 3/23/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14354263 Tesla said:
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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.

I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.


That’s one play in a horrendous weather game. Even if it was bright and sunny, any QB can throw a crappy ball at any moment. Put together a string of samples from last season that don’t have a lineman about to take his head off, and then you have some evidence to support your argument. With one play example, you do not.
Really Good  
Rong5611 : 3/23/2019 3:19 pm : link
Guy has talent. I subscribed to his channel.

His insight made sense to me. Have to go back and watch the Will Grier stuff, see what he thinks.

Thanks for posting.
I Did like the video  
Doomster : 3/23/2019 3:21 pm : link
of our best OLman, Halapio, with his arms outstretched blocking no one, as the Dallas DE stunted up the middle...
RE: I Did like the video  
eric2425ny : 3/23/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14354420 Doomster said:
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of our best OLman, Halapio, with his arms outstretched blocking no one, as the Dallas DE stunted up the middle...


Lol, let’s hope we draft a new Center.
RE: yes he screwed up in not knowing that flowers was cut  
Diver_Down : 3/23/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14354334 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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but, he did say that he watched all of the Giant games and he started by believing the media hype. When he watched objectively he changed his mind about Eli. He thinks that Eli can still play and make all the throws.

I thought the stuff about OBJ was pretty interesting. It may have a lot to do with why jt said that Eli wasn't exactly crying in his beer when he was traded...


It also supports the insinuation that OBJ would not be the best player for a new QB. If Eli with his 2 pelts on the wall and 15 years in the league seems to cater to OBJ by forcing throws, what would a rookie be compelled to do?
RE: the Video is really good and informative  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14354319 chuckydee9 said:
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but it just shows examples.. I am not sure he reviewed the entirety of the games.. for example he mentions that Eli is very safe with the Ball except when he is throwing to OBJ.. if this were true then the number would play out.. More interceptions, lower Passer rating lower completion % when throwing to OBJ vs other Pass catchers.. however we know this is not true or even remotely true.. Eli is a bottom 5 QB when throwing to everyone outside of OBJ over the past few years.. when throwing to OBJ he is above average QB.. So yes you can see the example of the eagles games play right before the half and say "look Eli just doesn't play it safe when throwing to OBJ but otherwise he is fine".. But thats just not true.. his efficiency and overall numbers are much worse when throwing to other players.. Also while he points out 2 plays where OBJ isn't happy after the pass.. but thats it.. if it was really distraction then media won't leave it alone.. from all accounts of people at the stadium OBJ wasn't a distraction on the sidelines.. outside of the Kicking Net thing..


1. At 15:30 he very clearly says he did all the work and watched every Giants game from 2018.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=930

2. Eli had a higher completion percentage with Engram, Ellison, Latimer, Simonson, and Coleman than he did with OBJ. This supports his argument of taking chances with OBJ when he should have taken the easier pass. I'm not saying any of them are better players than OBJ. I'm just saying it shows that Eli is more successful with other receivers than trying to force the ball to OBJ. Eli could instead dink and dunk his way down the field and ignore the big play to OBJ by forcing it (OBJ is almost always double covered).
https://www.fantasysp.com/target-touch-leaders/NYG/all

Actually, I'll speed this up a bit.
OBJ: 62%
Sheppard: 62%
Engram: 70%
Ellison: 71%
Latimer: 69%
Simonson: 64%
Coleman: 63%

BTW, just for grins:
Barkley: 75%
Elijhaa Penny: 89%

I'll say it again. I feel this was a very fair assessment and I think this guy really did his homework first. I think he researched the contract on Solder but didn't look into the RT very hard. He simply watched how bad the entire OL was.
Okay so he messed up on Flowers  
The 12th Man : 3/23/2019 3:28 pm : link
But was he wrong about our OL? Who cares whether it was Flowers or Wheeler they both sucked! Forget about the names watch them play. He is not wrong. If you watch and observe what he was saying he is spot on.
Several obvious thinsg but nice to see guys on them  
Torrag : 3/23/2019 3:31 pm : link
'of our best OLman, Halapio, with his arms outstretched blocking no one'...Halapio blows. He was awful.

'We will be taking an OT in the first 3 picks'...from your lips to Gods ears.

To be fair...  
Strip-Sack : 3/23/2019 3:32 pm : link
I think part of the issue with forcing some throws to OBJ is the fact that he has a ridiculous catch radius and has shown the ability to make the spectacular look routine time and time again.
RE: Okay so he messed up on Flowers  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14354429 The 12th Man said:
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But was he wrong about our OL? Who cares whether it was Flowers or Wheeler they both sucked! Forget about the names watch them play. He is not wrong. If you watch and observe what he was saying he is spot on.


Our OL was terrible that is certainly not in dispute. But it also seems to be that our GM says he "fixed" the OL as per his end of yeAr press conference and that this was the primary reason behind the improved play in the 2nd half of the year where our defense became the problem

He places the blame on OL and Odell which is fine and accurate but we actually had 4 games last season where we had improved OL play and no Odell so shoukdnt the analysis be focused on that to prove his conclusions?
While I don't agree with everything he says, Shomler's a smart guy  
Ira : 3/23/2019 4:06 pm : link
and clearly knows more football than most of the sports media. Btw, thanks for the link to this video.
Still watching  
mrvax : 3/23/2019 4:11 pm : link
but the Eli/OBJ disconnect was a big issue.
Interesting the point about Manning throwing better  
jeff57 : 3/23/2019 4:28 pm : link
When not throwing to Beckham
I'm also warming  
mrvax : 3/23/2019 4:29 pm : link
to a trade for Rosen if the Cards really want Murray.
RE: Interesting the point about Manning throwing better  
hitdog42 : 3/23/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14354480 jeff57 said:
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When not throwing to Beckham


Teams bracket Beckham and give him as much or more attention than any wr in football- of course their is a higher percentage to others left 1 in 1
RE: RE: Okay so he messed up on Flowers  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14354461 twostepgiants said:
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Our OL was terrible that is certainly not in dispute. But it also seems to be that our GM says he "fixed" the OL as per his end of yeAr press conference and that this was the primary reason behind the improved play in the 2nd half of the year where our defense became the problem

He places the blame on OL and Odell which is fine and accurate but we actually had 4 games last season where we had improved OL play and no Odell so shoukdnt the analysis be focused on that to prove his conclusions?


Problem #1: Neither Gettleman, Shurmur, Eli, or any member of the NY Giants organization would or should say anything bad about anyone currently in the Giants' organization. Gettleman, Shurmer, Eli, etc may be stuck with these players to start the 2019 season. How would you play if your GM publicly called you garbage?

Problem #2: Was he suppose to base his analysis on what the GM said about the team? The last thing I care about if I'm assessing a team is what the GM said publicly about his team.

We have one poster that's complaining that he doesn't think he did a full year analysis and another saying he should have only reviewed the games when OBJ didn't play. It's illogical to do that. OBJ was on the roster, taking up salary cap space, and no other outside threat. While he sits out for "an injury", he's just a waste of cap space at that point. We all have to wait and see how they do with OBJ off the roster, off the books, and with the 1st and 3rd round picks they got from the Browns. If they turn one of those picks into a dominant RT, WR, TE (blocking/passing), etc, I think we will see far more improvement than with OBJ. However, we are not fortune tellers and we can't tell that simply by having OBJ sit out .... I mean nurse himself back to health from an injury.
Alright lets try it snother wAy  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 5:15 pm : link
Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him
RE: RE: Didn't have time to watch the whole thing yet...  
ron mexico : 3/23/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14354288 dep026 said:
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In comment 14354263 Tesla said:


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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT.





You ever throw a damp ball in a downpour? Think that may have hinder it a bit?


It's never Eli's fault
I'd be interested to see him evaluate Lock  
kelsto811 : 3/23/2019 5:41 pm : link
He's become my 2nd favorite QB to Murray
RE: Alright lets try it snother wAy  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14354513 twostepgiants said:
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Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him

Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960

He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.
RE: RE: Alright lets try it snother wAy  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/23/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14354531 USAF NYG Fan said:
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In comment 14354513 twostepgiants said:


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Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him


Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960

He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.


Sy has already let it be known that he thinks that Rosen is a better option than Haskins or Murray
RE: RE: RE: Alright lets try it snother wAy  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/23/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14354558 gidiefor said:
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Sy has already let it be known that he thinks that Rosen is a better option than Haskins or Murray

Thanks! I must have missed that. That will change my draft board then. Not that my draft board will mean much but I like to play along.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Alright lets try it snother wAy  
Blue21 : 3/23/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14354585 USAF NYG Fan said:
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In comment 14354558 gidiefor said:


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Sy has already let it be known that he thinks that Rosen is a better option than Haskins or Murray


Thanks! I must have missed that. That will change my draft board then. Not that my draft board will mean much but I like to play along.


I believe Sy also said he'd give up the Giants 6 for him right now.
RE: RE: Alright lets try it snother wAy  
twostepgiants : 3/23/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14354531 USAF NYG Fan said:
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In comment 14354513 twostepgiants said:


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Since we think this is great and accurate analysis of Eli; he also concludes that Rosen on film is better than Eli and the Giants should trade for him


Man you are not having a good day at this are you? That's not what he said. He said "that many fans believe drafting Haskins or getting Rosen would solve all the Giants problems and that's simply not true". "He doesn't know a single QB in the NFL that could succeed behind the Giants' OL." He goes on to say that Eli is 38 and the Giants need a succession plan. He says that Rosen is better than Haskins and he's cheaper than Haskins.
https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=960

He's suggesting Rosen as the best successor to Eli and I'm leaning that way myself. I'm still waiting for Sy's reviews tough.


And on that piece I agree with him. I doubt there is a single person that believes getting a new QB can solve all of the Giants problems. Most of us believe though that the Giants need a QB to rebuild though.
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