Eli Manning Film Analysis - Podcast by Zac Shomler

... with eyes would come to similar conclusions. But for some reason, even from posters I respect much of their football postings, they just don't see it. It's really bizarre.

Were they similarly ineffective?

If Murray is to be drafted by the Cardinals. Giants will not be owning pick #37 before the draft and they will be taking an edge and OT at pick #6 and #17. I do not think they will give up higher than #37. I also agree with the critic that Dillard should be a target for Giants either a #6 or #17, depending who is available at #6 (ie Allen, Q Williams or Bosa). Knowing that the Giants have Rosen for #37, they could trade back with the Broncos at #10 or Dolphins at #13, who may want Haskins or Lock, and take a player like Dillard and Burns with the first 2 picks and get another 2nd round pick in return.

In comment 14354756 DonnieD89 said:

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If Murray is to be drafted by the Cardinals. Giants will not be owning pick #37 before the draft and they will be taking an edge and OT at pick #6 and #17. I do not think they will give up higher than #37. I also agree with the critic that Dillard should be a target for Giants either a #6 or #17, depending who is available at #6 (ie Allen, Q Williams or Bosa). Knowing that the Giants have Rosen for #37, they could trade back with the Broncos at #10 or Dolphins at #13, who may want Haskins or Lock, and take a player like Dillard and Burns with the first 2 picks and get another 2nd round pick in return.

I'm thinking something similar now. Cardinals might wait until the draft in an attempt to start a bidding war for Rosen or the #1 pick. If Arizona takes Murray there will be several teams making offers for Rosen. If Cardinals stick with Rosen, there will be teams making offers to them to go get Murray. I'd like to end up with Rosen no higher than the #17 pick but hope for giving them the 2nd rounder with a much lower round or two. I might be ok with #37 (Round 2) and #104 (4th round).

Regardless of if they get Rosen, Murray, or Haskins I expect them to sit behind Eli for a year. I don't care that Rosen already has a year as a starter. That doesn't replace what he can learn from Eli Manning. Say what you want about Eli but he's a very smart, cerebral QB. Let him pass that experience along.

In comment 14354428 USAF NYG Fan said:

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In comment 14354319 chuckydee9 said: Quote: but it just shows examples.. I am not sure he reviewed the entirety of the games.. for example he mentions that Eli is very safe with the Ball except when he is throwing to OBJ.. if this were true then the number would play out.. More interceptions, lower Passer rating lower completion % when throwing to OBJ vs other Pass catchers.. however we know this is not true or even remotely true.. Eli is a bottom 5 QB when throwing to everyone outside of OBJ over the past few years.. when throwing to OBJ he is above average QB.. So yes you can see the example of the eagles games play right before the half and say "look Eli just doesn't play it safe when throwing to OBJ but otherwise he is fine".. But thats just not true.. his efficiency and overall numbers are much worse when throwing to other players.. Also while he points out 2 plays where OBJ isn't happy after the pass.. but thats it.. if it was really distraction then media won't leave it alone.. from all accounts of people at the stadium OBJ wasn't a distraction on the sidelines.. outside of the Kicking Net thing.. 1. At 15:30 he very clearly says he did all the work and watched every Giants game from 2018. https://youtu.be/W7l3vv82_Eg?t=930 2. Eli had a higher completion percentage with Engram, Ellison, Latimer, Simonson, and Coleman than he did with OBJ. This supports his argument of taking chances with OBJ when he should have taken the easier pass. I'm not saying any of them are better players than OBJ. I'm just saying it shows that Eli is more successful with other receivers than trying to force the ball to OBJ. Eli could instead dink and dunk his way down the field and ignore the big play to OBJ by forcing it (OBJ is almost always double covered). https://www.fantasysp.com/target-touch-leaders/NYG/all Actually, I'll speed this up a bit. OBJ: 62% Sheppard: 62% Engram: 70% Ellison: 71% Latimer: 69% Simonson: 64% Coleman: 63% BTW, just for grins: Barkley: 75% Elijhaa Penny: 89% I'll say it again. I feel this was a very fair assessment and I think this guy really did his homework first. I think he researched the contract on Solder but didn't look into the RT very hard. He simply watched how bad the entire OL was.

Thanks I will take a look but looking at the completion %, it seems that the analysis is correct. Anyone know where I can find out stats throwing to each f the WR? Like Passer Rating, interceptions, Air Yards? YPA?

In comment 14354872 chuckydee9 said:

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Thanks I will take a look but looking at the completion %, it seems that the analysis is correct. Anyone know where I can find out stats throwing to each f the WR? Like Passer Rating, interceptions, Air Yards? YPA?

Funny because I was just looking for the same thing. I couldn't find a site so I decided to youtube my way through Eli's interceptions and broke down the intended target for each one.

11 Interceptions by Eli in the 2018 season. Who was the intended target for each interception?

1. Week 1 against the Jaguars the ball was tipped at the line and I can't be sure who the intended target was.

2A. Week 5 against the Panthers on the 1st interception, OBJ was the target.
2B. On the 2nd interception, I'm honestly not sure. I think it was Sterling Sheppard because it looks like #87. It wasn't OBJ though.

3. Week 6 against the Eagles the ball was intended for TE Simonson.

4A. Week 8 against the Skins on the 1st interception, OBJ was the target.
4B. One the 2nd interception, Bennie Fowler was the target.

5. Week 11 against the Eagles, OBJ was the target.

6. Week 12 against the Bears, OBJ was the target.

7. Week 14 against the Titans, I'm honestly not sure who the target was.
Note: OBJ didn't play in this game.

8. Week 15 against the Colts, Bennie Fowler was the target
Note: OBJ didn't play in this game.

9. Week 16 against the Cowboys, Sterling Sheppard was the target.
Note OBJ didn't play in this game.

Conclusion: Of the 11 interceptions, OBJ was was the target for 4 of them. I believe Sterling Sheppard was the target for 2 of them. Fowler was the target for 2.

I'll have to agree that the throws I watched where OBJ was the target but ended up intercepted looked like Eli was trying to force the ball to him.

The guy said that the way he throws has to be hard on his shoulders and neck.

I wonder if that's why he always does that shoulder shrug thing after a big throw

In comment 14354903 USAF NYG Fan said:

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In comment 14354872 chuckydee9 said: Quote: Thanks I will take a look but looking at the completion %, it seems that the analysis is correct. Anyone know where I can find out stats throwing to each f the WR? Like Passer Rating, interceptions, Air Yards? YPA? Funny because I was just looking for the same thing. I couldn't find a site so I decided to youtube my way through Eli's interceptions and broke down the intended target for each one. 11 Interceptions by Eli in the 2018 season. Who was the intended target for each interception? 1. Week 1 against the Jaguars the ball was tipped at the line and I can't be sure who the intended target was. 2A. Week 5 against the Panthers on the 1st interception, OBJ was the target. 2B. On the 2nd interception, I'm honestly not sure. I think it was Sterling Sheppard because it looks like #87. It wasn't OBJ though. 3. Week 6 against the Eagles the ball was intended for TE Simonson. 4A. Week 8 against the Skins on the 1st interception, OBJ was the target. 4B. One the 2nd interception, Bennie Fowler was the target. 5. Week 11 against the Eagles, OBJ was the target. 6. Week 12 against the Bears, OBJ was the target. 7. Week 14 against the Titans, I'm honestly not sure who the target was. Note: OBJ didn't play in this game. 8. Week 15 against the Colts, Bennie Fowler was the target Note: OBJ didn't play in this game. 9. Week 16 against the Cowboys, Sterling Sheppard was the target. Note OBJ didn't play in this game. Conclusion: Of the 11 interceptions, OBJ was was the target for 4 of them. I believe Sterling Sheppard was the target for 2 of them. Fowler was the target for 2. I'll have to agree that the throws I watched where OBJ was the target but ended up intercepted looked like Eli was trying to force the ball to him.

So going back to your stats about completion % for each of the main pass catchers here are their average air yards
Barkley -0.2 yds
OBJ 11.1 Yds
Shepard 10.1
Engram 5.0

Meaning if anything Eli was throwing deeper passes to OBJ obviously the deeper the pass the lower % completion so the initial stats you show don't really mean that is throwing passes to OBJ even when he is covered.. its basically a reflection of deeper passer having lower completion %... Thanks for looking up the interception.. OBJ was targeted on 4 of 11 interceptions.. which is also in line with the fact that OBJ was responsible for 32.9% of teams air yards.. while only getting 21.5% of the targets.. so again you would expect 3-5 interceptions out of all interceptions to target OBJ.. Really the number don't back the idea that he was throwing to OBJ in riskier situation other than the fact that the passes were deeper.. but it doesn't account for triple and double coverage or passes when OBJ wasn't open.. My stats can be found on rotowire..

I will have to look for passer rating breakdown with each receiver to get a better idea of the generalize statement that Eli was throwing riskier passes to OBJ vs other pass catchers.. If the only additional risk associated with OBj has to do with the depth of target then I cannot blame that on placating OBJ.. thats the design.. Someone has to run deep and catch the deep passes.. lower efficiency on deep passes is acceptable as it keeps the defense honest and helps the run game as well as the shorter routes..
OBJ Stats - ( New Window )

In comment 14354263 Tesla said:

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but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT. I'm not saying that Eli doesn't have enough arm strength left to play QB, but I think we need to be honest that he's lost quite a bit off his FB and struggles to get the ball downfield with velocity (especially outside the hashmarks). Which, by the way, is not saying Eli doesn't have the arm strength to throw a deep ball. He does, but the ball is going to float.

He most likely didn't see the safety coming from behind. The throw would have been complete based the the corner trailing. Also, good job cherry picking one play after the analysis clearly stated he CAN make all the throws.

In comment 14354982 chuckydee9 said:

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So going back to your stats about completion % for each of the main pass catchers here are their average air yards Barkley -0.2 yds OBJ 11.1 Yds Shepard 10.1 Engram 5.0 Meaning if anything Eli was throwing deeper passes to OBJ obviously the deeper the pass the lower % completion so the initial stats you show don't really mean that is throwing passes to OBJ even when he is covered.. its basically a reflection of deeper passer having lower completion %... Thanks for looking up the interception.. OBJ was targeted on 4 of 11 interceptions.. which is also in line with the fact that OBJ was responsible for 32.9% of teams air yards.. while only getting 21.5% of the targets.. so again you would expect 3-5 interceptions out of all interceptions to target OBJ.. Really the number don't back the idea that he was throwing to OBJ in riskier situation other than the fact that the passes were deeper.. but it doesn't account for triple and double coverage or passes when OBJ wasn't open.. My stats can be found on rotowire.. I will have to look for passer rating breakdown with each receiver to get a better idea of the generalize statement that Eli was throwing riskier passes to OBJ vs other pass catchers.. If the only additional risk associated with OBj has to do with the depth of target then I cannot blame that on placating OBJ.. thats the design.. Someone has to run deep and catch the deep passes.. lower efficiency on deep passes is acceptable as it keeps the defense honest and helps the run game as well as the shorter routes.. OBJ Stats - ( New Window )

I don't disagree with you here. I thought 4 interceptions with OBJ the target does not show anything out of the ordinary. I also agree deeper throws are riskier to begin with. However, just watching highlights of the games, it did appear to me that he Eli would try to force it OBJ. Why shouldn't he though? I've seen Eli make some bad throws to OBJ with OBJ suddenly playing defender and knocking the ball down. If you have to take a risk with a WR it seems that OBJ is the receiver to take a shot with.

I think it also hurts that the Giants didn't have an OL that could let a deep play develop. So I still feel like Eli is rushed to make a risky decision. It appeared as though every defense the Giants faced played to keep plays in front of them. It will be interesting how the Giants handle next season. I'd like to think they switch to primarily a dink and dunk passing attack. When they pass that is. They will also be a run-first offense. However, without a player like OBJ I don't think the defense will worry about a deep threat. They won't worry about keeping plays in front of them anymore. They will stack the box.

With 3 seconds or so to throw, Eli only gets an initial read. If its not there he has no choice bu to check it down. Then the Giants move into all short passes, because Eli doesn't have time to wait for longer passes to develop.A When defenses realize this it makes the DB play much easier. They can crowd up and just focus on stopping the short stuff, and also stuff the gaps shutting down any run. Most of those times you'd see a WR open deep weren't "real" IMO, because Eli didn't have time to wait and the D was focusing short knowing this. It is just a cycling downward spiral.

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In comment 14354288 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14354263 Tesla said: Quote: but for anyone (like our GM) arguing that Eli hasn't last any arm strength, or that he can "make all the throws," watch that INT on the deep out vs. the Titans. Eli's got an open receiver but the ball just floats and takes forever to get out there, leading to the INT. You ever throw a damp ball in a downpour? Think that may have hinder it a bit? It's never Eli's fault

The next time you bring something to the table will be the first time.

But to you it’s always Elis fault. Just a clown at this point. Can you say anything other than blaming Eli for everything? With a childish handle lie yours, I doubt your older than 14 anyways.