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My opinion of Gettleman

FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 2:28 pm
I really want to like Gettleman. I honestly do.

I don't mind trading Beckham.. but why sign him in the first place if your priority is to build a smash mouth team. plus we lose carryover dollars.

Sorry but Barkley was the wrong choice.. as great as he seems now. QB is by far the most valuable position in sports. It was an error to use the number two pick on anything but a QB because...

... even though Eli is 38 and just about fallen off the cliff, DG is behaving like there is no problem here. Just awful evaluation.

Adding Tate makes absolutely no sense. Great so we can go 5-11 instead of 3-13. What a joke. If you're tanking then tank.

We need to add a QB. It is our most desperate need. If we don't get Murray or Haskins I think time is up for DG.

What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?

I believe he is awful. Glad I could get that off my chest.
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Must have been  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/23/2019 2:38 pm : link
really weighing you down having to carry this opinion of DG. I'm glad you got this off your chest too.
I stopped reading  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2019 2:42 pm : link
at the Barkley was the wrong choice statement
Why are people so worried about “why sign him in the first place”  
djm : 3/23/2019 2:43 pm : link
Does it matter at this point? What if someone told you that Beckham fetched more if he was signed and not coming off the serious injury? Would that work?

I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.

He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.
And dude  
djm : 3/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
How many frigging times are you going to cry about passing on the qb? You do this every day around here.

You don’t want to love DG. You’re lying.
Oh another Barkley vs. Darnold debate  
dep026 : 3/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
Was waiting for todays version.
Your post is nonsense  
djm : 3/23/2019 2:44 pm : link
I should have read the whole thing first.
Would you like some hot chocolate?  
Klaatu : 3/23/2019 2:45 pm : link
I've got Swiss Miss.
I'm glad you're glad! ;-)  
TC : 3/23/2019 2:46 pm : link
But I'm going to wait awhile before coming to any judgments. We're only one year into what we were warned is likely a two year build out. It's not as if he came into a club whose roster needed just a little tweaking to excel, there were needs everywhere! This team needed, and still needs, more than just a new franchise QB to be a consistently solid and competitive club. If they haven't been happy with the value of the QB's who've come into the draft compared to other choices, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see more of the finished product.

So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.

OP post is  
TMS : 3/23/2019 2:48 pm : link
nonsense. Pass.
RE: Your post is nonsense  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14354372 djm said:
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I should have read the whole thing first.


why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.
Username checks out  
WillVAB : 3/23/2019 2:50 pm : link
At least
RE: I'm glad you're glad! ;-)  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14354376 TC said:
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But I'm going to wait awhile before coming to any judgments. We're only one year into what we were warned is likely a two year build out. It's not as if he came into a club whose roster needed just a little tweaking to excel, there were needs everywhere! This team needed, and still needs, more than just a new franchise QB to be a consistently solid and competitive club. If they haven't been happy with the value of the QB's who've come into the draft compared to other choices, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see more of the finished product.

So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.


i don't think i have to give his approach a chance to make a judgment. This is the NFL of 2019. Smashmouth is dead.
Good read here, does a good job blowing up the stupid idea  
mfsd : 3/23/2019 2:51 pm : link
that Eli has fallen off a cliff.

2018 was actually one of the best of Eli’s career, behind a dogshit OL for much of the season.

You want to make the point the Giants need to draft his replacement anyway? Fine, fair point. But to claim he’s suddenly not good anymore reveals a pretty low football IQ


Eli Manning is the same QB he’s always been - ( New Window )
RE: Why are people so worried about “why sign him in the first place”  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14354367 djm said:
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Does it matter at this point? What if someone told you that Beckham fetched more if he was signed and not coming off the serious injury? Would that work?

I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.

He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.


it is not a sound strategy to sign beckham then trade him a year later. It is an admission of failure. If they were inclined to deal him it should have been last season. Would have saved dollars and cap space.
You're wrong about Barkley  
BillT : 3/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
I wanted a QB last year. I was wrong. He is a once in a lifetime talent and it was a great pick. And we now have a chance to get that QB so we haven't given up that opportunity.

And you can see how, in this league, a great running games can transform a team. The Cowboys have been consistent winners with their running game and an average QB and passing game. The Rams, at their best, were run first, pass second. See the SB for them without a running game. The Steelers had both but their running game made them elite. The Seahawks won a SB with their running game.

Barkley behind an even decent OL, and ours might be better than that now, will be a game changer. And we still can get that QB.
And if the Giants take  
DonnieD89 : 3/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
Haskins this draft, are posters still going to complain? Let’s see what unfolds within the next two to three years.
Seems  
crick n NC : 3/23/2019 2:56 pm : link
To me you've already reached a final decision on decisions that have yet to reveal the final results. It's good to have opinions, although if we're too rigid it can make it difficult to accept truth if our opinions fail to be accurate, especially if they are way off then it becomes denial and spin time.
RE: RE: I'm glad you're glad! ;-)  
TC : 3/23/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14354383 FranchiseQB said:
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In comment 14354376 TC said:


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But I'm going to wait awhile before coming to any judgments. We're only one year into what we were warned is likely a two year build out. It's not as if he came into a club whose roster needed just a little tweaking to excel, there were needs everywhere! This team needed, and still needs, more than just a new franchise QB to be a consistently solid and competitive club. If they haven't been happy with the value of the QB's who've come into the draft compared to other choices, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see more of the finished product.

So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.




i don't think i have to give his approach a chance to make a judgment. This is the NFL of 2019. Smashmouth is dead.

I think this is simplistic. Quality teams don't have crappy offensive lines and defenses, irrespective of what style of play they adopt. Teams that can run and stop the run are consistent winners, even those who like to wing the ball.
“Why sign him in the first place”  
UConn4523 : 3/23/2019 2:58 pm : link
This argument always makes me laugh. So every player that we want here should stay at all costs, no questions asks?

It’s obvious that something went south after he signed. So do you force it to work, likely making it worse, or do you strike a deal to get rid of a problem and recoup assets?

Let me ask you a question, have you ever planned on doing something, committed to it, then something happened where you had to change course?
He's a buffoon  
SHO'NUFF : 3/23/2019 2:58 pm : link
but he makes Mara comfortable.
RE: He's a buffoon  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14354395 SHO'NUFF said:
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but he makes Mara comfortable.


yes i agree
RE: “Why sign him in the first place”  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14354394 UConn4523 said:
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This argument always makes me laugh. So every player that we want here should stay at all costs, no questions asks?

It’s obvious that something went south after he signed. So do you force it to work, likely making it worse, or do you strike a deal to get rid of a problem and recoup assets?

Let me ask you a question, have you ever planned on doing something, committed to it, then something happened where you had to change course?


sure i agree. but it's a failure. especially with millions on the line.
If you don't sign him  
Chip : 3/23/2019 3:05 pm : link
you don't have the 17th pick, Jabril Peppers and a 3rd. Franchise in Reese we trust
RE: If you don't sign him  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14354401 Chip said:
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you don't have the 17th pick, Jabril Peppers and a 3rd. Franchise in Reese we trust


they could have dealt him last season for more than a first round pick. Probably a better haul than he got from Cleveland.
Barkley set records behind a weak o-line. Darnold had a so-so rookie  
Ira : 3/23/2019 3:10 pm : link
season.
As soon as I saw "why sign him in the first place"...  
EricJ : 3/23/2019 3:13 pm : link
I knew we were dealing with another clueless wonder...
Love this:  
smshmth8690 : 3/23/2019 3:13 pm : link
taken from OP

"What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?"

Total points scored in most recent Superbowl? 16.
I agree on OBj.....  
Doomster : 3/23/2019 3:16 pm : link
Why sign him to a big contract, when the fifth year option was available?

Once he played a few games, then trade him......would have saved a lot of cap....

DG said he wouldn't trade OBj after signing him, UNLESS he received an offer he couldn't refuse....a ss(who's stats are not eye popping) who is cheap for 2 years, and two unknowns at 17 and the third round? That was a trade he couldn't refuse?
Oh, and Klaatu,  
Doomster : 3/23/2019 3:18 pm : link
good to see ya back!
RE: Love this:  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14354409 smshmth8690 said:
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taken from OP

"What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?"

Total points scored in most recent Superbowl? 16.


so what? you are going to build your team around the result of a single football game? Nobody ever said there were absolutely no low scoring games. Look at the total league scoring and the total league passing stats and tell me what you see.
RE: Barkley set records behind a weak o-line. Darnold had a so-so rookie  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14354405 Ira said:
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season.


i actually would have taken Rosen.

Tell me how you feel about it in five years.
RE: I agree on OBj.....  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14354411 Doomster said:
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Why sign him to a big contract, when the fifth year option was available?

Once he played a few games, then trade him......would have saved a lot of cap....

DG said he wouldn't trade OBj after signing him, UNLESS he received an offer he couldn't refuse....a ss(who's stats are not eye popping) who is cheap for 2 years, and two unknowns at 17 and the third round? That was a trade he couldn't refuse?


Agree completely. Look I am not mad about the return for OBJ. I never thought we were going to get two or three 1's for him, as some here fantasized.
I see all the morons  
Dave on the UWS : 3/23/2019 3:23 pm : link
decided to get together and populate this thread. You know, the type who should apply to be the team’s new GM because they obviously know better.
RE: RE: Your post is nonsense  
Eli Wilson : 3/23/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14354380 FranchiseQB said:
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In comment 14354372 djm said:


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I should have read the whole thing first.



why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.


Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.

What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?

Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.

RE: RE: RE: Your post is nonsense  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14354426 Eli Wilson said:
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In comment 14354380 FranchiseQB said:


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In comment 14354372 djm said:


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I should have read the whole thing first.



why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.



Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.

What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?

Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.


Most rebuilds in the NFL don't take five years. DG seems intent on a five year smash mouth rebuild. If Haskins is the pick and he is better than the 2018 guys, great. But you don't get to draft with a crystal ball.
RE: I stopped reading  
joeinpa : 3/23/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14354366 Big Blue '56 said:
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at the Barkley was the wrong choice statement


Saying Barkley was the wrong choice is not a well thought out sentiment. But stating it was the right choice is flawed as well. I disagree with the notion that the question has been answered. If Darnold turns out to be another Eli, let s revisit this draft then.

For the record I love rooting for and watching Barkley play, I m thrilled he s a Giant. You don’t have to believe it s been proven to be the right decision to do that.

RE: RE: RE: Your post is nonsense  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14354426 Eli Wilson said:
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In comment 14354380 FranchiseQB said:


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In comment 14354372 djm said:


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I should have read the whole thing first.



why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.



Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.

What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?

Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.


When I said "most people feel" I was referring to the following:

1. Eli is done.
2. The giants should have gone QB in 2018
RE: RE: I stopped reading  
FranchiseQB : 3/23/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14354432 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14354366 Big Blue '56 said:


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at the Barkley was the wrong choice statement



Saying Barkley was the wrong choice is not a well thought out sentiment. But stating it was the right choice is flawed as well. I disagree with the notion that the question has been answered. If Darnold turns out to be another Eli, let s revisit this draft then.

For the record I love rooting for and watching Barkley play, I m thrilled he s a Giant. You don’t have to believe it s been proven to be the right decision to do that.


Agree 100%
Should add  
joeinpa : 3/23/2019 3:34 pm : link
What happens with Darnold only factors into the draft decision if Giants fail to find replacement for Eli during Barkley s career

If they draft Haskins and he turns out to be real deal, then without question those like me who wanted Darnold we’re wrong.
RE:  
Klaatu : 3/23/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14354430 FranchiseQB said:
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Most rebuilds in the NFL don't take five years.


They don't? Well then, how long do they usually take?

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DG seems intent on a five year smash mouth rebuild.


He does? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Not the "smash mouth" part - the "five year" part.
What part of  
Dave on the UWS : 3/23/2019 3:58 pm : link
"competing while rebuilding" doesn't compute? Make up some more crap.
Darnold  
Toth029 : 3/23/2019 4:02 pm : link
With a questionable OL and no run game? With a bad defense? Same loser team. But hey, they got a young QB to ruin while your team lacks in premier talent.
RE: I stopped reading  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/23/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14354366 Big Blue '56 said:
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at the Barkley was the wrong choice statement


lol.. me 2
RE: Darnold  
mattyblue : 3/23/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14354463 Toth029 said:
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With a questionable OL and no run game? With a bad defense? Same loser team. But hey, they got a young QB to ruin while your team lacks in premier talent.


Can’t you just say the exact same thing about Barkley?
RE: RE: Darnold  
Toth029 : 3/23/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14354466 mattyblue said:
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In comment 14354463 Toth029 said:


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With a questionable OL and no run game? With a bad defense? Same loser team. But hey, they got a young QB to ruin while your team lacks in premier talent.



Can’t you just say the exact same thing about Barkley?


Sure, it's a same team essentially. Remember the Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown year? So why get any panties in a bunch over them picking an elite prospect over a QB who isn't exactly Andrew Luck coming out? Their obviously picked a better player, in their minds, and I'm okay with that. The Rams picked Gurley early instead of forcing a pick at QB in their waning years post-Bradford.
They = Their  
Toth029 : 3/23/2019 4:18 pm : link
In short: it's a process. And quite frankly to me, picking a premier prospect over what the team "needs" is fine with me. You can argue whether or not Barkley lasts as long as the QB, but if he's a 2,000+ yard player each year while the QB turns out to be EJ Manuel or Jake Locker...
RE: RE: Why are people so worried about “why sign him in the first place”  
TrueBlue56 : 3/23/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14354386 FranchiseQB said:
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In comment 14354367 djm said:


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Does it matter at this point? What if someone told you that Beckham fetched more if he was signed and not coming off the serious injury? Would that work?

I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.

He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.



it is not a sound strategy to sign beckham then trade him a year later. It is an admission of failure. If they were inclined to deal him it should have been last season. Would have saved dollars and cap space.


See, this is your problem. By some accounts Gettleman wanted to trade Beckham last year but Shurmur wanted to keep Beckham because he is a playmaker. They signed him in hopes he would grow up and stop making headlines. They quickly learned that Beckham wasn't going to stop once he did the interview with lil Wayne.

Gettleman does not compound a mistake by staying with a plan that does not work. Reese always doubled down on dumb. Gettleman gave flowers a chance, he gave omameh a chance and when he saw it wasn't working, he made changes. This is what a good GM does.

Gettleman is adding pieces as he rebuilds this team. In a short amount of time he has added 3/5 Of an offensive line with solder, zeitler and Hernandez. A dynamic running back in Barkley. He added a safety tandem in peppers and bethea with Michael Thomas as a backup. BJ hill and Markus golden.

Gettleman has done more in 1 year than reese did in 10 years as general manager
...  
christian : 3/23/2019 4:24 pm : link
What's done is done. He's made a number of really good decisions and handful of rough ones.

The Giants are sitting in good shape, with the fundamentals of roster and fiances where you want them. There are very few bad contracts, very few old players, lots of draft choices, and lots of free cap over the next two years.

Gettleman had a rough go of it with free agents and extensions last year. He's largely wiggled out of his mistakes.

This draft is huge. If the Giants draft a skillsy QB to groom, and keep adding young, cheap talent, this is a team that can be in the conversation in 2020.
I see by the comments not many people give 2 shits about your opinion!  
SterlingArcher : 3/23/2019 4:54 pm : link
.
I am done here....  
SuperRonJohnson : 3/23/2019 5:26 pm : link
move on. Old arguements.
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