I really want to like Gettleman. I honestly do.
I don't mind trading Beckham.. but why sign him in the first place if your priority is to build a smash mouth team. plus we lose carryover dollars.
Sorry but Barkley was the wrong choice.. as great as he seems now. QB is by far the most valuable position in sports. It was an error to use the number two pick on anything but a QB because...
... even though Eli is 38 and just about fallen off the cliff, DG is behaving like there is no problem here. Just awful evaluation.
Adding Tate makes absolutely no sense. Great so we can go 5-11 instead of 3-13. What a joke. If you're tanking then tank.
We need to add a QB. It is our most desperate need. If we don't get Murray or Haskins I think time is up for DG.
What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?
I believe he is awful. Glad I could get that off my chest.
I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.
He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.
You don’t want to love DG. You’re lying.
So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.
why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.
So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.
i don't think i have to give his approach a chance to make a judgment. This is the NFL of 2019. Smashmouth is dead.
2018 was actually one of the best of Eli’s career, behind a dogshit OL for much of the season.
You want to make the point the Giants need to draft his replacement anyway? Fine, fair point. But to claim he’s suddenly not good anymore reveals a pretty low football IQ
Eli Manning is the same QB he’s always been - ( New Window )
I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.
He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.
it is not a sound strategy to sign beckham then trade him a year later. It is an admission of failure. If they were inclined to deal him it should have been last season. Would have saved dollars and cap space.
And you can see how, in this league, a great running games can transform a team. The Cowboys have been consistent winners with their running game and an average QB and passing game. The Rams, at their best, were run first, pass second. See the SB for them without a running game. The Steelers had both but their running game made them elite. The Seahawks won a SB with their running game.
Barkley behind an even decent OL, and ours might be better than that now, will be a game changer. And we still can get that QB.
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But I'm going to wait awhile before coming to any judgments. We're only one year into what we were warned is likely a two year build out. It's not as if he came into a club whose roster needed just a little tweaking to excel, there were needs everywhere! This team needed, and still needs, more than just a new franchise QB to be a consistently solid and competitive club. If they haven't been happy with the value of the QB's who've come into the draft compared to other choices, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I see more of the finished product.
So far this season, they haven't lost a game! ;-) Let's see how this new club plays ball before making final judgments.
i don't think i have to give his approach a chance to make a judgment. This is the NFL of 2019. Smashmouth is dead.
I think this is simplistic. Quality teams don't have crappy offensive lines and defenses, irrespective of what style of play they adopt. Teams that can run and stop the run are consistent winners, even those who like to wing the ball.
It’s obvious that something went south after he signed. So do you force it to work, likely making it worse, or do you strike a deal to get rid of a problem and recoup assets?
Let me ask you a question, have you ever planned on doing something, committed to it, then something happened where you had to change course?
yes i agree
It’s obvious that something went south after he signed. So do you force it to work, likely making it worse, or do you strike a deal to get rid of a problem and recoup assets?
Let me ask you a question, have you ever planned on doing something, committed to it, then something happened where you had to change course?
sure i agree. but it's a failure. especially with millions on the line.
they could have dealt him last season for more than a first round pick. Probably a better haul than he got from Cleveland.
"What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?"
Total points scored in most recent Superbowl? 16.
Once he played a few games, then trade him......would have saved a lot of cap....
DG said he wouldn't trade OBj after signing him, UNLESS he received an offer he couldn't refuse....a ss(who's stats are not eye popping) who is cheap for 2 years, and two unknowns at 17 and the third round? That was a trade he couldn't refuse?
"What is this seeming obsession with smash mouth football. What year is this? 1977?"
Total points scored in most recent Superbowl? 16.
so what? you are going to build your team around the result of a single football game? Nobody ever said there were absolutely no low scoring games. Look at the total league scoring and the total league passing stats and tell me what you see.
i actually would have taken Rosen.
Tell me how you feel about it in five years.
Once he played a few games, then trade him......would have saved a lot of cap....
DG said he wouldn't trade OBj after signing him, UNLESS he received an offer he couldn't refuse....a ss(who's stats are not eye popping) who is cheap for 2 years, and two unknowns at 17 and the third round? That was a trade he couldn't refuse?
Agree completely. Look I am not mad about the return for OBJ. I never thought we were going to get two or three 1's for him, as some here fantasized.
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I should have read the whole thing first.
why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.
Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.
What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?
Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.
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I should have read the whole thing first.
why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.
Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.
What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?
Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.
Most rebuilds in the NFL don't take five years. DG seems intent on a five year smash mouth rebuild. If Haskins is the pick and he is better than the 2018 guys, great. But you don't get to draft with a crystal ball.
Saying Barkley was the wrong choice is not a well thought out sentiment. But stating it was the right choice is flawed as well. I disagree with the notion that the question has been answered. If Darnold turns out to be another Eli, let s revisit this draft then.
For the record I love rooting for and watching Barkley play, I m thrilled he s a Giant. You don’t have to believe it s been proven to be the right decision to do that.
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I should have read the whole thing first.
why is it nonsense? for chrissake it is the opinion of most non-giant fans and pundits. it is literally a majority opinion.
Most people feel that if we don't draft Murray or Haskins that DG should get fired? I literally haven't heard that from anyone.
What if we do draft Haskins (or another QB) and that player is better than all the QBs taken last year? Will you still feel Barkley was a mistake?
Rome wasn't built in a day, or in this case a year.
When I said "most people feel" I was referring to the following:
1. Eli is done.
2. The giants should have gone QB in 2018
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at the Barkley was the wrong choice statement
Saying Barkley was the wrong choice is not a well thought out sentiment. But stating it was the right choice is flawed as well. I disagree with the notion that the question has been answered. If Darnold turns out to be another Eli, let s revisit this draft then.
For the record I love rooting for and watching Barkley play, I m thrilled he s a Giant. You don’t have to believe it s been proven to be the right decision to do that.
Agree 100%
If they draft Haskins and he turns out to be real deal, then without question those like me who wanted Darnold we’re wrong.
They don't? Well then, how long do they usually take?
He does? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Not the "smash mouth" part - the "five year" part.
lol.. me 2
Can’t you just say the exact same thing about Barkley?
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With a questionable OL and no run game? With a bad defense? Same loser team. But hey, they got a young QB to ruin while your team lacks in premier talent.
Can’t you just say the exact same thing about Barkley?
Sure, it's a same team essentially. Remember the Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown year? So why get any panties in a bunch over them picking an elite prospect over a QB who isn't exactly Andrew Luck coming out? Their obviously picked a better player, in their minds, and I'm okay with that. The Rams picked Gurley early instead of forcing a pick at QB in their waning years post-Bradford.
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Does it matter at this point? What if someone told you that Beckham fetched more if he was signed and not coming off the serious injury? Would that work?
I’ll say it again, DG traded cap space and some vet talent for draft picks. It’s a sound strategy. Now he needs to make it work.
He also crushed last year’s draft no matter what the miserable sobs here think. Anytime you can get four starters out of one draft you’re happy.
it is not a sound strategy to sign beckham then trade him a year later. It is an admission of failure. If they were inclined to deal him it should have been last season. Would have saved dollars and cap space.
See, this is your problem. By some accounts Gettleman wanted to trade Beckham last year but Shurmur wanted to keep Beckham because he is a playmaker. They signed him in hopes he would grow up and stop making headlines. They quickly learned that Beckham wasn't going to stop once he did the interview with lil Wayne.
Gettleman does not compound a mistake by staying with a plan that does not work. Reese always doubled down on dumb. Gettleman gave flowers a chance, he gave omameh a chance and when he saw it wasn't working, he made changes. This is what a good GM does.
Gettleman is adding pieces as he rebuilds this team. In a short amount of time he has added 3/5 Of an offensive line with solder, zeitler and Hernandez. A dynamic running back in Barkley. He added a safety tandem in peppers and bethea with Michael Thomas as a backup. BJ hill and Markus golden.
Gettleman has done more in 1 year than reese did in 10 years as general manager
The Giants are sitting in good shape, with the fundamentals of roster and fiances where you want them. There are very few bad contracts, very few old players, lots of draft choices, and lots of free cap over the next two years.
Gettleman had a rough go of it with free agents and extensions last year. He's largely wiggled out of his mistakes.
This draft is huge. If the Giants draft a skillsy QB to groom, and keep adding young, cheap talent, this is a team that can be in the conversation in 2020.