My opinion of Gettleman

I didn’t read the whole thread. But you have no idea what DG is thinking or doing and he doesn’t care if you like him.

Understand his philosophy: Run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer.

Also understand: Big men who can move win games.

Signing Beckham was just a much Shurmurs idea as DG. A couple of FU’s and the stupid interview, the business decision on the insides kick and missing the last 4 games changed peoples mind about OBJ.

Barkley was the right pick. He was the best player in the draft last year. He is better than any player in this years draft. People are always saying drsftcbest player available, and Barkley was the best player no doubt.

Our O Line is way better than 2 years ago. It’s not close. A RT away from a total rebuild in less than 2 years. A great RB to run behind that line. A great NY Giant QB to lead the team in Manning. He is not perfect. But he is our QB. Deal with it.

I expect a good amount of draft picks to help build our defense. It will be better next year.

is a lack of vision I guess. Can’t trade anyone you sign? Got it.

How fans dont understand the sign Odell and trade him.

Let me see if I can explain it...If the Giants franchise tag OBJ, a team who signs him, have to give the Giants 2 first round picks. So no team is doing that. If no team will give up 2 1st for a franchise tagged player then the only way to keep control of him is to sign him to a long term deal. Do you want the giants to let OBJ hit the FA market in 2 years and get nothing for him? No.

17th pick, 3rd and Peppers is a really good deal.

Plus Dee Ford got traded for a 2nd rounder in 2020.

DE>WR and just look at both deals.

It's not complicated.

If we don't get our guy this year they will in 2020
Not going to sweat it have plenty of picks to help
bolster the talent we do have SB will have a big season .
We may go 9-7 i DKN ..

He erred taking Barkley over Allen who will prove to be the next John Elway. However, having passed on Allen, he was correct to take Barkley over Darnold. Finding a quarterback of Darnold's talent in a subsequent year is eminently doable. With respect to Beckham, signing him before trading him made sense because locking him up for five years made him a more tradable commodity. One last small item. I realize that no one on this website thinks Davis Webb is worth three cents, but releasing him and then drafting Lauletta whose arm is substantially inferior made no sense to me whatsoever.

In comment 14354680 EricJ said:

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is that the Giants were looking for 2 first round picks last year for OBJ. Now, I am googling my ass of to see where Gettleman, Mara, or anyone else in a decision making capacity actually said that. The only thing I could find are "reports" from pundits. That is really strange. Especially considering DG said he was not looking to trade OBJ back then. So, can someone show me where Gettleman publicly said he wanted two first rounders for OBJ?

I don’t have the link handy, but in the Gettleman interview with Papa the other day he said his initial thought in terms of Beckham was two first rounders. He then said we got #17, and a former first rounder meaning Peppers. That was the first time I had seen anyone from the Giants say anything about two first rounders.

In comment 14354700 GeofromNJ said:

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He erred taking Barkley over Allen who will prove to be the next John Elway. However, having passed on Allen, he was correct to take Barkley over Darnold. Finding a quarterback of Darnold's talent in a subsequent year is eminently doable. With respect to Beckham, signing him before trading him made sense because locking him up for five years made him a more tradable commodity. One last small item. I realize that no one on this website thinks Davis Webb is worth three cents, but releasing him and then drafting Lauletta whose arm is substantially inferior made no sense to me whatsoever.

I don’t necessarily agree on the Barkley vs. Allen comment, but I agree with the rest, including why we did we dump Webb for Lauletta. I really wish we just kept Webb last year and picked a player we could use in the 4th round.

In comment 14354685 UConn4523 said:

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Gettleman asking for 2 first rounders is called setting the starting points for a negotiation. That doesn’t mean he expects to get it, but that’s where talks are starting. I mean, you do know this basic, elementary level shit don’t you? Why on earth would anyone start negotiations low?

George Costanza held out for less

But there is legitimate skepticism in all areas mentioned in the OP. These are all decisions which have been called into question, and not only by people lacking credibility. Say what you want, this team has a lot to prove.

In comment 14354681 FranchiseQB said:

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In comment 14354680 EricJ said: Quote: is that the Giants were looking for 2 first round picks last year for OBJ. Now, I am googling my ass of to see where Gettleman, Mara, or anyone else in a decision making capacity actually said that. The only thing I could find are "reports" from pundits. That is really strange. Especially considering DG said he was not looking to trade OBJ back then. So, can someone show me where Gettleman publicly said he wanted two first rounders for OBJ? People don't announce in the press how much they want for a player. GM's lie all the time publicly anyway. There were press reports (not pundits) that this was the asking price and yes they tested the water last year.

So what you are telling me is that Gettleman told the press that he wanted 2 first round picks while all along never saying that he was looking to trade Odell.

That makes a lot of sense. The more you talk the more interesting the fairy tale becomes.

In comment 14354596 bw in dc said:

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No sweat. I get accused of trolling almost daily because I dare criticize the aristocracy at Jints Central... ;)

Amen to that.
Angry douche in Charlotte and his posse.

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In comment 14354551 gidiefor said: Quote: if you continue to post repeatedly, the same material - in new threads - we will regard it as trolling So you are putting a quota on how many times a poster can say the same thing? Why? Because it goes against some preferred mainstream thought? Sorry, I find this very bizarre.

You pot stirrer, knock it off. You know it's a tired argument, and you know the OP has a tired argument but you LOVE to twist the nerps of Jints Central. Don't ever change old friend, you are a mainstay here and I wouldn't be here if you weren't. Differences of opinion aside, you know I respect the hell out of you and your shtick.

In comment 14354738 EricJ said:

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In comment 14354681 FranchiseQB said: Quote: In comment 14354680 EricJ said: Quote: is that the Giants were looking for 2 first round picks last year for OBJ. Now, I am googling my ass of to see where Gettleman, Mara, or anyone else in a decision making capacity actually said that. The only thing I could find are "reports" from pundits. That is really strange. Especially considering DG said he was not looking to trade OBJ back then. So, can someone show me where Gettleman publicly said he wanted two first rounders for OBJ? People don't announce in the press how much they want for a player. GM's lie all the time publicly anyway. There were press reports (not pundits) that this was the asking price and yes they tested the water last year. So what you are telling me is that Gettleman told the press that he wanted 2 first round picks while all along never saying that he was looking to trade Odell. That makes a lot of sense. The more you talk the more interesting the fairy tale becomes.

where did I say that? I'll answer: no where. The leaks to the press were probably from one or more of the teams who talked with the Giants. Some of the things you guys say really defy rational thought.

In comment 14354734 UberAlias said:

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But there is legitimate skepticism in all areas mentioned in the OP. These are all decisions which have been called into question, and not only by people lacking credibility. Say what you want, this team has a lot to prove.

thanks.. I didn't think I was saying anything controversial. I don't really understand the nastiness and the blow back from my post. These are obvious areas to question.

In comment 14354671 FranchiseQB said:
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pure gold. I can’t wait to get tons of first round picks for every player that an opposing team is interest in. Who cares about the rest, so long as there’s interest!

Keep it coming, I’m dying to see what you come up with next.



thanks for the comedy. i appreciate it. but you should have the Alzheimer's looked at. Your memory seems spotty. Let me remind you...

Poor taste my friend, if you ve ever been touched by this hideous disease you would not use it in a cavalier manner.

you don't get accused of trolling because you criticize. you're accused because you do so in a manner calculated to elicit a particular reaction and then act all innocent/indignant when called on it.

In comment 14354868 joeinpa said:

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In comment 14354671 FranchiseQB said: [quote] In comment 14354667 UConn4523 said: Quote: pure gold. I can’t wait to get tons of first round picks for every player that an opposing team is interest in. Who cares about the rest, so long as there’s interest! Keep it coming, I’m dying to see what you come up with next. thanks for the comedy. i appreciate it. but you should have the Alzheimer's looked at. Your memory seems spotty. Let me remind you... Poor taste my friend, if you ve ever been touched by this hideous disease you would not use it in a cavalier manner.

i sincerely apologize. I didn't mean to offend. It was a thoughtless and stupid comment by me.

I have a problem with the Giants head office decision committee (anyone who thinks DG is the sole member, come see me for a slightly used bridge I have for sale) thinking they could control him. They thought wrong.

They thought wrong about a lot of things.

Hooray that they recognized the error in a lot of cases and cut/traded the thought wrongs. But it doesn't fill one with confidence for the future.

Too soon to speak definitively about DG and the decision committee. This is an important year for them, and the team.

you can't count them wrong for not taking a QB, until they don't take one and one pans out.

In comment 14354926 fkap said:

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you don't get accused of trolling because you criticize. you're accused because you do so in a manner calculated to elicit a particular reaction and then act all innocent/indignant when called on it.

Or perhaps, and more likely, people are too sensitive to this subject.

In comment 14354938 fkap said:

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I have a problem with the Giants head office decision committee (anyone who thinks DG is the sole member, come see me for a slightly used bridge I have for sale) thinking they could control him. They thought wrong. They thought wrong about a lot of things. Hooray that they recognized the error in a lot of cases and cut/traded the thought wrongs. But it doesn't fill one with confidence for the future. Too soon to speak definitively about DG and the decision committee. This is an important year for them, and the team. you can't count them wrong for not taking a QB, until they don't take one and one pans out.

at least one of those QBs is going to pan out in a big way. They have a chance this year to maybe fix it. Let's hope they do.

'one of them will pan out' is the same as last year. You're not drafting them all. Pick one, and that's the one you're judging the Giants on.

In comment 14354384 mfsd said:

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that Eli has fallen off a cliff. 2018 was actually one of the best of Eli’s career, behind a dogshit OL for much of the season. You want to make the point the Giants need to draft his replacement anyway? Fine, fair point. But to claim he’s suddenly not good anymore reveals a pretty low football IQ Eli Manning is the same QB he’s always been - ( New Window )

Dumb article. Basically says quarterbacks do better with no pressure....not exactly newsbreaking. What i saw was Eli make a bad decision. He should have run to his letf, taken the sack or thrown it away.

In comment 14354423 Dave on the UWS said:

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decided to get together and populate this thread. You know, the type who should apply to be the team’s new GM because they obviously know better.

Its a message board where people express their opinions and vent when they disagree with something. If you don't get that then you re the moron.

In comment 14354395 SHO'NUFF said:

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but he makes Mara comfortable.

Yes and that worries me. Im all for giving DG the benefit of the doubf at this point but If we continue to win only 5 or so games the next two years Dave shoult go but i think Mara will give him more time than that. Should be an interesting next couple of years.