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| "We haven't [decided what we're going to do with the top pick]. We haven't. We're a long ways from that," Kingsbury said. "You know, coaches on the road, scouts from the road, private workouts, pro days. And we won't even discuss until next week and try to fill our board and go from there." |
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| Kingsbury clarified that they have spoken and the soon-to-be-second-year quarterback knows he's thought highly of and, likely most importantly, that no matter what happens, it's simply the way of the NFL. "Yeah, I've talked to Josh and he understands it's a business and what all goes with the first pick and what's going on," the coach said. So, it's not out of the question that Rosen could be a Cardinal next season, but the only clarity offered by Kingsbury is that nothing is out of the question. "Yeah, I do [think Rosen could remain with the team]. I do," Kingsbury said. "I mean, when you have the first pick, anything can happen, as you know, but you know, he's a talented player, and we're very high on him and that hasn't changed." |
It's the corollary of trading up. If you have to give up too much to trade up, you stay put. The player may be one you want, but not at too much cost.
Trading Rosen for low value is giving up picks. Murray and a decent trade may be worth it. Murray and a crappy trade may not be worth it. That's a decision to be made.
I don't think what they could get for Rosen would make the decision for them. The deciding factor will likely be: Do they think Rosen can be their franchise QB. There is also a chance I guess that the answer is yes to that question but they still want to replace him with Murray because of his style and athleticism, but that is less likely.
A reasonable question then is, if the answer to the big question is yes (they do think Rosen is their franchise QB) then why are they doing this to him (openly courting Murray). Well, most likely, it is to send a message to Rosen. Apparently Rosen has not been to the facility in the off-season, whereas Carson Palmer apparently moved into the facility every off-season. I dunno if that's true it is just something I heard. I guess that could be a reason. And also amp the value of the pick.
I think the Cards might be trying to thread the needle, trade the pick but still get a top-4 pick in return, which would require dealing with the Raiders or finding a partner that can jump into the top-4.
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You’re basing your entire argument off of a fictional Rosen market.
There’s no evidence any team has offered anything for Rosen at this point.
A few weeks ago I read (don't recall where) that multiple teams had contacted AZ regarding Rosen's availability and were told that Rosen was not on the market. Given that, there can't be any "evidence" that teams are offering anything just yet.
Additionally, NFL GMs and coaches can't publicly discuss players currently under contract with other teams, which is why no reporter is going to ask anyone associated with the team that they cover about Rosen.
It simply stands to reason that unless Rosen is universally considered to be damaged goods due to an injury, attitude or whatever, that a player with his talent, in a QB-driven league, is going to generate interest from MULTIPLE teams. And as others have already stated in this thread and almost every other Rosen thread, when multiple teams are bidding on a player, the player will be traded at or above market value.
I've used the analogy before, but if you absolutely had to sell your house ASAP and you had only one bidder, then yes, you could be forced to take a below-market offer. But if you had multiple bidders and they all wanted your house, would anyone actually think that all the bidders had you over a barrel?
I’m not buying that. There was plenty of smoke regarding OBJ before the trade was made. Everyone had a pretty good ballpark of the compensation if a trade was made. We’re not hearing anything of that magnitude regarding Rosen.
Let’s assume for argument’s sake multiple teams are interested in Rosen. I highly doubt the proposed compensation is anywhere near what some people think it is. If someone offered a 1 and AZ truly wants Murray, Rosen would already be gone.
That reasoning makes sense to me. Also gives teams looking at draftable QBs time to do all their evaluations on them before deciding whether to go the Rosen trade route.
I think the owner's meeting in AZ will lay the groundwork for a trade. The parameters will be worked out and fined tuned in the next few weeks. But I think the agreement will be established long before the night before. However, the NFL likes to milk their Ultimate Reality Show aka The Draft. Any announcement of a trade won't happen until the night of the draft to preserve some element of suspense in who will be the #1 pick.
I think Murray slides down the draft board if Arizona doesn't take him.
Murray is nothing like RGIII. RGIII was a read option QB who had no idea of what it took to pass from a pocket. Murray is a pocket passer with incredible athleticism. Night and Day.
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Saner heads may have prevailed in Arizona and now they're shifting gears. Also "if these other teams want Rosen, maybe we should keep him."
I think Murray slides down the draft board if Arizona doesn't take him.
Murray is nothing like RGIII. RGIII was a read option QB who had no idea of what it took to pass from a pocket. Murray is a pocket passer with incredible athleticism. Night and Day.
They are taking Murray. You dont leave a second year QB out to dry as they have. They are stringing it along to make it look like this is a difficult decision.
Can someone enlighten me on the merits of this view?
I agree 100% after reading this interview.. AZ has first pick of draft . if they were keeping Rosen then they would not be hedging at all.. they would be evaluating other positions rather than QB.
it is so obvious they are going to trade Rosen
Pats 1st round is 32rd pick Giants 2nd round is 36th .. so Giants won't have to give up 17 for Rosen they can give 2nd and 4th and probably get him..
Can someone enlighten me on the merits of this view?
I feel like they'll actually lose leverage the longer they wait.
It's not a secret that they covet Murray - I think that part will be hard for anyone to not buy.
The closer the draft gets, the more I think it'll turn into them moving into "take what we can get" mode.
I don't think they want to carry both guys - if they take Murray, they want him to be the guy and they aren't going to go with Rosen first and then pass the torch. Murray will be the starter from day 1.
So, the longer they wait - I'd think the options available to them will probably start to shrink. I don't think it benefits them to take this down to the buzzer.
Mind you, I don't see it going that way. I'm not convinced they are drafting Murray but if they do I think they will get decent value for Rosen before the draft, ie, at least a second round pick and maybe something as high as back third of the first round value.
Trade down for him?
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They are taking Murray. You dont leave a second year QB out to dry as they have. They are stringing it along to make it look like this is a difficult decision
I agree 100% after reading this interview.. AZ has first pick of draft . if they were keeping Rosen then they would not be hedging at all.. they would be evaluating other positions rather than QB.
it is so obvious they are going to trade Rosen
Pats 1st round is 32rd pick Giants 2nd round is 36th .. so Giants won't have to give up 17 for Rosen they can give 2nd and 4th and probably get him..
I think hes could go to the Pats. And we are not highly interested due to personality.
On paper he is probably the best young QB I could think of to run that Pats system.
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and trade down for him ? Hope not, but you never know. If Shurmur thinks he can build an offense around this guy and Barkley it could happen.
Trade down for him?
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