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YANKEE28 : 3/24/2019 8:59 am
Tyler Wade sent down this morning.

Looks like new outfielder Mike Tauchman could make the initial roster.

Also looks like Stephen Tarpley makes the roster. Yesterday Tarpley won the Yankees James P. Dawson award as the best rookie in this years camp. Well deserved.
How many players start the year on the DL?  
robbieballs2003 : 3/24/2019 9:20 am : link
Severino
Didi
Hicks
I thought Wade earned a spot  
Beer Man : 3/24/2019 9:20 am : link
I don't see a lot of value in Mike Tauchman
Mike who?  
terz22 : 3/24/2019 9:20 am : link
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RE: I thought Wade earned a spot  
robbieballs2003 : 3/24/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14354912 Beer Man said:
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I don't see a lot of value in Mike Tauchman


I think because he provides OF flexibility.
Hope we'll see starting lineups with Stanton in LF  
shyster : 3/24/2019 9:30 am : link
and Voit/Bird covering 1B/DH.

And hope they all do their jobs well enough to get the Voit/Bird discussion out of the "it's a competition for first base" rut.
RE: RE: I thought Wade earned a spot  
Eli Wilson : 3/24/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14354916 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14354912 Beer Man said:


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I don't see a lot of value in Mike Tauchman



I think because he provides OF flexibility.


Wade can play IF/OF. I believe he started in CF yesterday.
the analytics on Trachtman  
Bill2 : 3/24/2019 9:31 am : link
indicate he is the latest Yankee search for another Voit

sorry  
Bill2 : 3/24/2019 9:31 am : link
Tauchman
RE: RE: RE: I thought Wade earned a spot  
robbieballs2003 : 3/24/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14354921 Eli Wilson said:
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I don't see a lot of value in Mike Tauchman



I think because he provides OF flexibility.



Wade can play IF/OF. I believe he started in CF yesterday.


I understand. I'm just trying to guess why they like him more than Wade. Maybe they just feel he plays it better as a super utility guy.
I don't understand what Cashman  
section125 : 3/24/2019 9:41 am : link
is doing with Wade. Great spring. Showed evidence of hitting big league pitching. Guess he was just not good enough in the OF.
Now just what are they going to do with this Tauchman character when Hicks is ready?

Once again Wade will be the 26th man....
Here's some background  
Mike from SI : 3/24/2019 9:45 am : link
on Tauchman
Link - ( New Window )
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arcarsenal : 3/24/2019 9:51 am : link
I'm surprised that T-Wade is the odd man out - I thought he was having a really nice spring and was doing all of the things you want to see him do to showcase his versatility/speed and ability to put balls in play and hit for solid avg.

I guess they see something in Tauchman that led them to want to acquire him and see what he can do. If they have the same type of hunch on that they had on Voit... I'm willing to see what he's got.

I do feel like Wade really earned a spot, though - so that kind of sucks for him.

Sounds like Montgomery is targeting August - so, it'll be good to potentially have that reinforcement coming to the rotation later in the year where we may need it.

Sevy seems to also be progressing well. No setbacks or issues thus far.
RE: Here's some background  
section125 : 3/24/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14354934 Mike from SI said:
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on Tauchman Link - ( New Window )


Thanks, good info.
FWIW, I thought Diehl looked  
section125 : 3/24/2019 10:00 am : link
like a competent pitcher. Smooth delivery, good stuff and confident. Hope he gets a chance in the bigs with Colorado.
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Eli Wilson : 3/24/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14354944 arcarsenal said:
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I'm surprised that T-Wade is the odd man out - I thought he was having a really nice spring and was doing all of the things you want to see him do to showcase his versatility/speed and ability to put balls in play and hit for solid avg.

I guess they see something in Tauchman that led them to want to acquire him and see what he can do. If they have the same type of hunch on that they had on Voit... I'm willing to see what he's got.

I do feel like Wade really earned a spot, though - so that kind of sucks for him.

Sounds like Montgomery is targeting August - so, it'll be good to potentially have that reinforcement coming to the rotation later in the year where we may need it.

Sevy seems to also be progressing well. No setbacks or issues thus far.


Maybe they want Wade to play every day for awhile? Otherwise it makes little sense.
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arcarsenal : 3/24/2019 10:12 am : link
It's possible - that FanGraphs piece on Tauchman is interesting and I think that kind of shows you what the Yanks saw under the hood there.

As Bill (IIRC) said above, it could be a similar line of thinking that led them to interest in Voit.

I understand moving Diehl because I think the org is trying to level out their pitching/hitting pipeline a bit and cash out on a pitching asset for another bat.

We'll see soon enough!
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arcarsenal : 3/24/2019 10:13 am : link
Poor Diehl... he thought it was a joke when they told him he was traded to the Rox.
RE: FWIW, I thought Diehl looked  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/24/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14354948 section125 said:
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like a competent pitcher. Smooth delivery, good stuff and confident. Hope he gets a chance in the bigs with Colorado.


LOOGYs values are shot next year once 3 matter minimum is instituted
RE: RE: FWIW, I thought Diehl looked  
section125 : 3/24/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14354959 CromartiesKid21 said:
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like a competent pitcher. Smooth delivery, good stuff and confident. Hope he gets a chance in the bigs with Colorado.



LOOGYs values are shot next year once 3 matter minimum is instituted


He is not a LOOGY. He pitched well to both righties and lefties.
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section125 : 3/24/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14354957 arcarsenal said:
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It's possible - that FanGraphs piece on Tauchman is interesting and I think that kind of shows you what the Yanks saw under the hood there.

As Bill (IIRC) said above, it could be a similar line of thinking that led them to interest in Voit.

I understand moving Diehl because I think the org is trying to level out their pitching/hitting pipeline a bit and cash out on a pitching asset for another bat.

We'll see soon enough!


Yes, high contact, low strikeout rate. Looks ideal. I did not see anything on his defensive capabilities. Hope he has an arm as good as Gardner. Can't use another weak arm out there like Ellsbury.
Tauchman has much more OF/CF experience than Wade  
shyster : 3/24/2019 10:23 am : link
Back injuries are unpredictable and can recur. No telling how much time Hicks might miss.

If you want the option to start an OF that does not include Stanton, or you want to be able to take Stanton out for defense, Tauchman has more value than Wade.

Offense is a bonus.
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Del Shofner : 3/24/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14354964 section125 said:
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I did not see anything on his defensive capabilities.


Just from skimming the Rockies boards, it looks like he is well-regarded defensively in the outfield.
And  
Jeever : 3/24/2019 10:42 am : link
Would you rather have Wade riding the pines in the bigs or staying fresh at AAA?
Let's say both Bird and Voit  
section125 : 3/24/2019 10:56 am : link
do well early in the year. At some point in time the Yankees need to commit to one of them and give that player the full time job with LeMahieu as the backup.

Do the Yankees look to trade one vs sending one down to SWB?

If both play to close to potential, I think Voit is the higher BA guy - .290 vs .260 for Bird. I think it is equal on power - I believe both are 25 to 30 HR guys. I prefer Voit's hitting to all fields and that is why I think he hit for higher average. He may also drive in more runs being able to go oppo.

I also believe Bird is the better of the two in the field although he isn't the second coming of Mattingly or Martinez.

So if you are Cashman, May 1st rolls around, Bird is healthy. The numbers are close...what do you do?
RE: Let's say both Bird and Voit  
Pan-handler : 3/24/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14354987 section125 said:
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do well early in the year. At some point in time the Yankees need to commit to one of them and give that player the full time job with LeMahieu as the backup.

Do the Yankees look to trade one vs sending one down to SWB?

If both play to close to potential, I think Voit is the higher BA guy - .290 vs .260 for Bird. I think it is equal on power - I believe both are 25 to 30 HR guys. I prefer Voit's hitting to all fields and that is why I think he hit for higher average. He may also drive in more runs being able to go oppo.

I also believe Bird is the better of the two in the field although he isn't the second coming of Mattingly or Martinez.

So if you are Cashman, May 1st rolls around, Bird is healthy. The numbers are close...what do you do?


You are likely going on what analytics tell you is the better future player. And with health Bird is that guy. Birds swing when right is a thing of beauty. His eye is also excellent. Two years ago during the playoffs , there were some people saying he is the best eye/swing combo in the line-up (I don't see that as aberration due to the tools he shows). He projects better than Voit does (and I like voit) but this team sorel
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section125 : 3/24/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14354992 Pan-handler said:
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do well early in the year. At some point in time the Yankees need to commit to one of them and give that player the full time job with LeMahieu as the backup.

Do the Yankees look to trade one vs sending one down to SWB?

If both play to close to potential, I think Voit is the higher BA guy - .290 vs .260 for Bird. I think it is equal on power - I believe both are 25 to 30 HR guys. I prefer Voit's hitting to all fields and that is why I think he hit for higher average. He may also drive in more runs being able to go oppo.

I also believe Bird is the better of the two in the field although he isn't the second coming of Mattingly or Martinez.

So if you are Cashman, May 1st rolls around, Bird is healthy. The numbers are close...what do you do?



You are likely going on what analytics tell you is the better future player. And with health Bird is that guy. Birds swing when right is a thing of beauty. His eye is also excellent. Two years ago during the playoffs , there were some people saying he is the best eye/swing combo in the line-up (I don't see that as aberration due to the tools he shows). He projects better than Voit does (and I like voit) but this team sorel


I'm not sure that Bird is better than Voit at the plate. Voit has always been a good hitter at every level he has been.While it is true that Bird's swing is sweet, he is a pull hitter(not a bad thing for a lefty at YS) while Voit can hit equally well and with power to all fields. Both have a small MLB sample size, TBH.
But you are correct, predicted analytics will probably tell the tale.

So then, what is done with the other - banishment to SWB or a trade?
Tauchman making the team...  
GiantJake : 3/24/2019 11:24 am : link
means Wade goes to AAA and plays every day. Stanton is going to play a lot of LF while Hicks is out and Wade would receive limited at-bats. Tauchman is a better fit as a 4th outfielder/defensive replacement. If you look at Tauchman's minor league numbers, Voit isn't a bad comparison. He has been a very good hitter with some power that just hasn't been able to get it going in the limited MLB at bats. It's a long season and if they can get Tauchman going, it would be great for overall depth. For now, Wade is just a phone call away.
RE: Let's say both Bird and Voit  
shyster : 3/24/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14354987 section125 said:
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do well early in the year. At some point in time the Yankees need to commit to one of them and give that player the full time job with LeMahieu as the backup.

Do the Yankees look to trade one vs sending one down to SWB?

If both play to close to potential, I think Voit is the higher BA guy - .290 vs .260 for Bird. I think it is equal on power - I believe both are 25 to 30 HR guys. I prefer Voit's hitting to all fields and that is why I think he hit for higher average. He may also drive in more runs being able to go oppo.

I also believe Bird is the better of the two in the field although he isn't the second coming of Mattingly or Martinez.

So if you are Cashman, May 1st rolls around, Bird is healthy. The numbers are close...what do you do?


Sending to minors accomplishes nothing and trade would not bring nearly fair value.

Only way to realize the value of both, and not effectively negate the value of the Voit trade, is to see them as two players for two spots, 1B and DH.

I know how I would proceed from there, but until Cashman shows a willingness, not much point.

Could kick the can until next year when roster expands but that still doesn't answer how to get them both in the lineup.
This  
PaulN : 3/24/2019 1:30 pm : link
Is something of a non story, at 28 the guy may be ready to contribute now, and I agree that Wade and Frazier are better off playing everyday, if the guy stinks, Wade or Frazier are still available, so we need to see what happens instead of playing GM.
Tauchman is a weird guy  
Dunedin81 : 3/24/2019 6:10 pm : link
1 HR in '16 up to 20 in '18, and his K rate stayed the same and his BB rate went up. He's also fast, versatile, and he huts lefty. Maybe he's a quad A guy or maybe he turns into a useful role player.
RE: Tauchman is a weird guy  
section125 : 3/24/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14355347 Dunedin81 said:
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1 HR in '16 up to 20 in '18, and his K rate stayed the same and his BB rate went up. He's also fast, versatile, and he huts lefty. Maybe he's a quad A guy or maybe he turns into a useful role player.


Brady Anderson part 2? Strange increase from 1 to 20, but maybe he learned the upward swing. There are more than a few guys that are late bloomers. Cash and the analytics guys seem to know what they are doing.
Wade sounded very distraught about the demotion.
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Del Shofner : 3/24/2019 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14355351 section125 said:
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Wade sounded very distraught about the demotion.


Yes, reading his quotes now - he didn't mince words. He felt he did everything the team asked this spring and he's pissed about going down.
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arcarsenal : 3/24/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14355484 Del Shofner said:
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Wade sounded very distraught about the demotion.



Yes, reading his quotes now - he didn't mince words. He felt he did everything the team asked this spring and he's pissed about going down.


Tough to blame him... he did about as much as you could have expected this spring to earn a spot, and it turns out that someone they just traded for, who is already 28 and may just be Quad-A fodder, is going to get the last roster spot instead.

I understand it from an organizational standpoint. But I can't blame Wade for being miffed. He should be. I'd be a little worried if he wasn't.
RE: RE: Let's say both Bird and Voit  
Milton : 3/24/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14355004 shyster said:
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Only way to realize the value of both, and not effectively negate the value of the Voit trade, is to see them as two players for two spots, 1B and DH.
I don't see how there is room for Voit (or Bird) as an every day DH when there is already a logjam of players in line for DH reps, most notably Stanton, Andujar, and Sanchez, not to mention Judge. Voit would have to be a consistent .900+ OPS guy to deserve such an honor (which he may be capable of) and then Bird would have to be putting up similar numbers not to find himself spending half his time on the pine.

So while I think it's all well and good to extend the competition into the regular season, at some point they will need to choose one over the other. Hopefully it will be a difficult decision because they're both hitting and fielding well. And let the loser of the competition bring back real quality in trade, not some three-month rental.

As for preferences, Bird gives us the lefty bat and the better glove, but the injury history makes his reliability a major question mark. So Voit comes with better durability and two more years of team control (despite being two years older).

Tough call. I hope it stays that way for all the right reasons.
not a big deal, but the Diamondbacks returned Nick Green to the Yanks  
Del Shofner : 3/24/2019 9:30 pm : link
- he was taken in the Rule 5 draft. He'll probably go to Trenton per RAB.
good for Wade coming out and being transparent  
RasputinPrime : 3/24/2019 9:33 pm : link
he should be pissed. Now apply that and force the Yankees hand in the months to come.

The Diehl move made sense and we have someone that is able to fill in as a stop-gap while Frazier and Wade get regular ABs.
Tauchman is making it over Wade...  
BC Eagles94 : 3/24/2019 10:40 pm : link
for one reason. Because Hicks is hurt. Gardy is old and they don't want him playing CF every day. And they don't know when Hicks will be back. Wade isn't a proven CF'er. As soon as Hicks returns, I would be surprised if Wade didn't get called back up. When Hicks returns, Tauchman goes down to AAA...and there is no place for both Voit and Bird any longer. So the loser of that battle goes to AAA and Wade comes up as the versatile 25th man.
If both Bird and Voit are raking...  
manh george : 3/24/2019 10:58 pm : link
I think they both stay, untl around mid-season when one gets included in a trade, possibly for a starter. Until then, Gardy could get a far amount of rest, Stanton play a far amount of LF, and Bird or Voit getting DH/PH time.

I still root for Bird if he's healthy, because of that wonderful swing, 20 pounds more muscle this year, and being a lefty. But if Voit plays like he did last season as a Yankee AND this spring, he's too good a hitter to send down, but a terrific trade pawn.

If they aren't both raking, this gets much easier. Pretty good odds of that.
If Gardy doesn't hit  
Mike from SI : 3/24/2019 11:04 pm : link
any chance they play Stanton in left quite a bit and keep both Bird and Voit in the lineup when Hicks comes back?
RE: RE: RE: Let's say both Bird and Voit  
shyster : 3/25/2019 3:13 am : link
In comment 14355540 Milton said:
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Only way to realize the value of both, and not effectively negate the value of the Voit trade, is to see them as two players for two spots, 1B and DH.

I don't see how there is room for Voit (or Bird) as an every day DH when there is already a logjam of players in line for DH reps, most notably Stanton, Andujar, and Sanchez, not to mention Judge. Voit would have to be a consistent .900+ OPS guy to deserve such an honor (which he may be capable of) and then Bird would have to be putting up similar numbers not to find himself spending half his time on the pine.

So while I think it's all well and good to extend the competition into the regular season, at some point they will need to choose one over the other. Hopefully it will be a difficult decision because they're both hitting and fielding well. And let the loser of the competition bring back real quality in trade, not some three-month rental.

As for preferences, Bird gives us the lefty bat and the better glove, but the injury history makes his reliability a major question mark. So Voit comes with better durability and two more years of team control (despite being two years older).

Tough call. I hope it stays that way for all the right reasons.


The GM has publicly said there isn't room at DH, so how can I say you're wrong?

Because he's also never said the word "trade"; because he knows he wouldn't get value; and because he loves both Bird and what he pulled off in the Voit trade.

Opening day is here and Bird will be on roster. When Hicks is back, Tauchman can go down. Wade can come up when Tulo busts, which I think likely.

Decision time when Didi's back.
RE: If Gardy doesn't hit  
bigbluehoya : 3/25/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14355650 Mike from SI said:
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any chance they play Stanton in left quite a bit and keep both Bird and Voit in the lineup when Hicks comes back?


If Stanton doesn't play left field at least 2-3 times per week even once Hicks returns, they're doing this wrong.
RE: RE: If Gardy doesn't hit  
Milton : 3/25/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14355784 bigbluehoya said:
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If Stanton doesn't play left field at least 2-3 times per week even once Hicks returns, they're doing this wrong.

If Stanton is playing left field 2-3 times per week it means he is DH 2-3 times per week. And Sanchez is gonna need to be DH once a week. And Judge and Andujar (especially if he's struggling in the field) should be getting some occasional DH days as well.
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section125 : 3/25/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14355784 bigbluehoya said:
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any chance they play Stanton in left quite a bit and keep both Bird and Voit in the lineup when Hicks comes back?



If Stanton doesn't play left field at least 2-3 times per week even once Hicks returns, they're doing this wrong.


Stanton is a better OF than given credit for. Judge is still better than Stanton (probably significantly better). Stanton is a better RF than LF and Judge could play CF if needed.
I still don't know why Judge isn't in LF and Stanton in RF. Maybe Judge's arm is vastly better than Stanton, but I doubt it (not vastly).

I know there is a reasonable explanation, but LF in Yankee Stadium is a difficult field, why not have your better OF playing there.
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rich in DC : 3/25/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14355804 section125 said:
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any chance they play Stanton in left quite a bit and keep both Bird and Voit in the lineup when Hicks comes back?



If Stanton doesn't play left field at least 2-3 times per week even once Hicks returns, they're doing this wrong.



Stanton is a better OF than given credit for. Judge is still better than Stanton (probably significantly better). Stanton is a better RF than LF and Judge could play CF if needed.
I still don't know why Judge isn't in LF and Stanton in RF. Maybe Judge's arm is vastly better than Stanton, but I doubt it (not vastly).

I know there is a reasonable explanation, but LF in Yankee Stadium is a difficult field, why not have your better OF playing there.


Judge already has knee issues. Why would you ask him to play the larger field and wear down his knees more?

Stanton won't be an everyday player in the field, so it is fine to ask him to be the LF 3-5 times a week. I imagine that when facing a tough RHP, the Yanks move Stanton to DH, Bird to 1B and Tauchman to LF.
RE: Tauchman is making it over Wade...  
rich in DC : 3/25/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14355635 BC Eagles94 said:
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for one reason. Because Hicks is hurt. Gardy is old and they don't want him playing CF every day. And they don't know when Hicks will be back. Wade isn't a proven CF'er. As soon as Hicks returns, I would be surprised if Wade didn't get called back up. When Hicks returns, Tauchman goes down to AAA...and there is no place for both Voit and Bird any longer. So the loser of that battle goes to AAA and Wade comes up as the versatile 25th man.


Unless Tauchman is a complete zero, I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Wade gets called up anytime soon, short of an injury to someone. I think that is why Wade was so upset when he got sent down- he can read the depth charts as well as anyone else- and he just saw his chances at ML time with the Yanks vanish.

Even when Hicks returns, Tauchman probably stays because he can play all 3 spots- and the Yanks will need to give people days off. Bird might be the odd man out there, especially since DJ can play all over.
Just a note that might only interest me  
rich in DC : 3/25/2019 11:09 am : link
Looking ahead to the next off-season, assuming that the Yanks let Gardner and Romine walk in FA and Ellsbury's situation gets resolved one way or the other, think about this possibility:

The Yanks 3 oldest position players would be DJ LeMahieu (turns 31 in July), Aaron Hicks (turns 30 in October) and Stanton (who turns 30 in November).

That's a LONG way from the veteran age-fest that the Yanks ran out there as recently as 3 years ago...
Bird took Wade's roster spot...  
Dunedin81 : 3/25/2019 11:24 am : link
If Bird was even mediocre, NFW they're carrying two 1Bs. The stated explanation is a reasonable one; Wade can fake it in CF for sure but he's not a natural CF. If Tauchman sucks, or if they have an injury in the IF, Wade will get the call.
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