At #6:
Haskins
-Both DG and PS as opposed to last year have spoke openly about WANTING to add a young Qb to learn under Eli for a year. Giants generally don't do the smokescreen stuff.
-The visible excitement/ 'love-fest' at the pro-day.
-Multiple meeting with Haskins between combine and now and coming away with comments of very impressed with mannerisms and his football IQ.
-Fits personality profile of what Giants generally like in QB. Size, strong arm for Meadowland weather/winds, lunch pail work hard kind of guy not overly-outspoken.
Rashan Gary
-JonC and others have reported on this
-Of all DL he fits the Rush End prototype the best. Big bodied, long reach, strong, good measurables
-However lack of production is certainly concerning
Montez Sweat
-Alot of interest shown at Senior Bowl where he was arguably defensive MVP ragdolling OL in drills and winning matchups with one of the best in Dillard.
-Blew up Combine: 4.4 40 almost unheard of of a guy that size
-Closely fits their prototype for size/build (but not as well as Gary) . Height and arm length excellent but a touch on the light side. NYG usually like 270 and above. But he is extremely strong and it shows up on tape.
At #17:
Cody Ford
-Multiple reports on our interest and thorough scouting done on him
-Fits DGs Hog Molly prototype almost to a T. Huge Lower half and above average footwork for a man that size
Jaylon Ferguson
- Fits the size/build prototype they love (6'5 ,270) and could be available at 17
-Multiple reports of being interviewed by scouts and others in the NYG organization
-NCAA all time sack leader
-Triangle numbers not good but wins with amazing handwork, momentum based leverage, and great motor.
Greedy Williams
-Almost nothing on him. He is only listed since cover CB is such a great need in Bettcher's system that calls for pressure from all levels. Would be tremendous value here at 17 if he drops that far.
Other ER/OT:
Burns-could be there at 17
Dillard-doubtful at 17
Risner- likely there at 17 possible at 37
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He may not be the perfect bulldozing RT, but the Giants also have to consider life after Solder.
Love Dillard but have a feeling DG wants a mauler for RT with Barkley.
I was listening to Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan last week, and they had a retired OL coach, whom I can't remember his name, who scouted this year's class of Olinemen. The question of whether Dillard is a "road grader" was brought up for which he answered that he had the capability of being that. He just did not have enough opportunity to demonstrate that given Washington States style of play. I found that comment to stand out, as I always thought he was just a finesses type player.
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In comment 14355185 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He may not be the perfect bulldozing RT, but the Giants also have to consider life after Solder.
Love Dillard but have a feeling DG wants a mauler for RT with Barkley.
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I was listening to Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan last week, and they had a retired OL coach, whom I can't remember his name, who scouted this year's class of Olinemen. The question of whether Dillard is a "road grader" was brought up for which he answered that he had the capability of being that. He just did not have enough opportunity to demonstrate that given Washington States style of play. I found that comment to stand out, as I always thought he was just a finesses type player.
Dillard is my favorite OL this draft with Jonah in second. Dillard can play both tackle spots while Jonah is more a Luke Pettitgout type best suited strictly for Left. Dillard may not be a pure road grader RT like Cody but I bet he can be pretty good in the run himself. Could he make it to 17? That would be pretty awesome.
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Anything else is a luxury that could be filled by someone already on the roster. We have guys at every other position that are at least warm bodies who might be able to hold down the fort until better talent is brought in. On the offensive line we just don't have anyone on the roster who might make training camp competitive. We need to have at least seven guys on the roster who are ready, willing, and able if called upon. We currently have three in Solder, Hernandez, & Zeitler, but Halapio, Pulley, Wheeler, etc, etc... are not in that category. Maybe they can improve, but we need more able bodied contestants.
I like Haskins, but he won't do half as well as Eli behind this line. Eli might be able to start for a couple more years so I am not in the camp that says we must absolutely bring in a younger QB immediately. I would like to get the best players we can regardless of position, for the most part. If we can draft a QB that we like who presents good value where we decide to draft him then we should pull the trigger IF we know that he has a shot to beat out our current #3 OR if our current #3 might be ready to be the #2QB.
Which leads me back to the O-line. I am hoping that we can move down tow the 10 through 14 range and acquire some more day two picks or even future picks. I then would like to draft some combination of our favorite Offensive Linemen. Even if some were looked at as future starters we need to bring in talent. Hopefully we'd at least be getting a day one starter at RT.
I would love to draft Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford in the first and let them compete for RT. I would trade up from pick #37 to grab Garrett Bradbury at Center. I would also draft a good Left Tackle prospect, like Isaiah Prince or Martez Ivey, on day three; that could be groomed and he could compete with Wheeler to be the backup LT. Solder and Zeitler are good players, but their age & their contracts will force us to have other players available who can step in at some point.
The OL is closer than you give it credit for with the addition of Zietler.
We arent going to have an above avg to great player at every position on the OL nor do we need to. But we have one at 3 of the 5 already. If we shore up OT (in this deep OT draft) at 17 or 37 we will be in very, very good shape.
I couldn't disagree more. We need an OT and a C out of this draft if we are going to get the most out of Barkley. What we have on the roster right now at RT and at C is putrid! Watch the tape. We need at least two OL who can step in and start right away if we are to have Barkley survive more than three or four years. When you pick a RB at #2, you better commit to that RB. Now is the time. The players we need to have a fully functional offense will be available to us early. I am hoping two of our first three picks are OL. Defensive options will be good well into the fourth and fifth rounds.
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In comment 14355162 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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Anything else is a luxury that could be filled by someone already on the roster. We have guys at every other position that are at least warm bodies who might be able to hold down the fort until better talent is brought in. On the offensive line we just don't have anyone on the roster who might make training camp competitive. We need to have at least seven guys on the roster who are ready, willing, and able if called upon. We currently have three in Solder, Hernandez, & Zeitler, but Halapio, Pulley, Wheeler, etc, etc... are not in that category. Maybe they can improve, but we need more able bodied contestants.
I like Haskins, but he won't do half as well as Eli behind this line. Eli might be able to start for a couple more years so I am not in the camp that says we must absolutely bring in a younger QB immediately. I would like to get the best players we can regardless of position, for the most part. If we can draft a QB that we like who presents good value where we decide to draft him then we should pull the trigger IF we know that he has a shot to beat out our current #3 OR if our current #3 might be ready to be the #2QB.
Which leads me back to the O-line. I am hoping that we can move down tow the 10 through 14 range and acquire some more day two picks or even future picks. I then would like to draft some combination of our favorite Offensive Linemen. Even if some were looked at as future starters we need to bring in talent. Hopefully we'd at least be getting a day one starter at RT.
I would love to draft Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford in the first and let them compete for RT. I would trade up from pick #37 to grab Garrett Bradbury at Center. I would also draft a good Left Tackle prospect, like Isaiah Prince or Martez Ivey, on day three; that could be groomed and he could compete with Wheeler to be the backup LT. Solder and Zeitler are good players, but their age & their contracts will force us to have other players available who can step in at some point.
The OL is closer than you give it credit for with the addition of Zietler.
We arent going to have an above avg to great player at every position on the OL nor do we need to. But we have one at 3 of the 5 already. If we shore up OT (in this deep OT draft) at 17 or 37 we will be in very, very good shape.
I couldn't disagree more. We need an OT and a C out of this draft if we are going to get the most out of Barkley. What we have on the roster right now at RT and at C is putrid! Watch the tape. We need at least two OL who can step in and start right away if we are to have Barkley survive more than three or four years. When you pick a RB at #2, you better commit to that RB. Now is the time. The players we need to have a fully functional offense will be available to us early. I am hoping two of our first three picks are OL. Defensive options will be good well into the fourth and fifth rounds.
Giants will upgrade OT but just signed Pulley and really like Pio.
Solder-Hernandez-Pio/Pulley- Zietler- Ford/Risner
Thats is a pretty good OL with the chance to be very good.
I like Haskins, but he won't do half as well as Eli behind this line. Eli might be able to start for a couple more years so I am not in the camp that says we must absolutely bring in a younger QB immediately. I would like to get the best players we can regardless of position, for the most part. If we can draft a QB that we like who presents good value where we decide to draft him then we should pull the trigger IF we know that he has a shot to beat out our current #3 OR if our current #3 might be ready to be the #2QB.
Which leads me back to the O-line. I am hoping that we can move down tow the 10 through 14 range and acquire some more day two picks or even future picks. I then would like to draft some combination of our favorite Offensive Linemen. Even if some were looked at as future starters we need to bring in talent. Hopefully we'd at least be getting a day one starter at RT.
I would love to draft Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford in the first and let them compete for RT. I would trade up from pick #37 to grab Garrett Bradbury at Center. I would also draft a good Left Tackle prospect, like Isaiah Prince or Martez Ivey, on day three; that could be groomed and he could compete with Wheeler to be the backup LT. Solder and Zeitler are good players, but their age & their contracts will force us to have other players available who can step in at some point.
Wow passing on a quarterback and defensive talent to go offensive line does not seem like good value
Don t get your point at all about Haskins would be worse behind this line than Eli. Even if true, so what.
Haskins or any quarterback isn’t about ‘this year and won t be playing behind this line in two years.
Very unlikely. All indications are the Giants are "all in" on Haskins. You don't pass up your QB for the next 15 years for a OLB unless the guy is LT. Josh Allen isn't LT.
I just don’t see Gary at 6 for them.
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Anything else is a luxury that could be filled by someone already on the roster. We have guys at every other position that are at least warm bodies who might be able to hold down the fort until better talent is brought in. On the offensive line we just don't have anyone on the roster who might make training camp competitive. We need to have at least seven guys on the roster who are ready, willing, and able if called upon. We currently have three in Solder, Hernandez, & Zeitler, but Halapio, Pulley, Wheeler, etc, etc... are not in that category. Maybe they can improve, but we need more able bodied contestants.
I like Haskins, but he won't do half as well as Eli behind this line. Eli might be able to start for a couple more years so I am not in the camp that says we must absolutely bring in a younger QB immediately. I would like to get the best players we can regardless of position, for the most part. If we can draft a QB that we like who presents good value where we decide to draft him then we should pull the trigger IF we know that he has a shot to beat out our current #3 OR if our current #3 might be ready to be the #2QB.
Which leads me back to the O-line. I am hoping that we can move down tow the 10 through 14 range and acquire some more day two picks or even future picks. I then would like to draft some combination of our favorite Offensive Linemen. Even if some were looked at as future starters we need to bring in talent. Hopefully we'd at least be getting a day one starter at RT.
I would love to draft Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford in the first and let them compete for RT. I would trade up from pick #37 to grab Garrett Bradbury at Center. I would also draft a good Left Tackle prospect, like Isaiah Prince or Martez Ivey, on day three; that could be groomed and he could compete with Wheeler to be the backup LT. Solder and Zeitler are good players, but their age & their contracts will force us to have other players available who can step in at some point.
Wow passing on a quarterback and defensive talent to go offensive line does not seem like good value
Don t get your point at all about Haskins would be worse behind this line than Eli. Even if true, so what.
Haskins or any quarterback isn’t about ‘this year and won t be playing behind this line in two years.
No it does not. The OL with the addition of an OT at 17 or 37 will be a quite good shape. Last year in the second half when the OL was just passable (vs 1st half of downright atrocious) the offense looked excellent even without Beckham for much of it.
This years OL will have a clear upgrade at RG and likely RT over the 2nd half of last years version.
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no inside info on him so far.
Thanks for the clarification Jon. As you have probably surmised he fits our prototype pretty darn well. He checks alot of boxes that they tend to go for when it comes to DE. Nowhere near Chubb though IMO (whom they really liked last year and had the production to match.)
I’m not so sure any of us know if that is true anymore. That was an old regime when we ran a 4-3 base.
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no inside info on him so far.
Thanks for the clarification Jon. As you have probably surmised he fits our prototype pretty darn well. He checks alot of boxes that they tend to go for when it comes to DE. Nowhere near Chubb though IMO (whom they really liked last year and had the production to match.)
I’m not so sure any of us know if that is true anymore. That was an old regime when we ran a 4-3 base.
Eli it may have adjusted to greater value assigned to the rush OLB for sure. But guys with size strength and pass rush skill can play with their hand in the dirt in both 4-3 and 3-4. Gary has that kind of potential at least on paper. Are the pass rush skills developable enough though? Thats the question.
The only way I don't try to trade down is if QW or Allen are there.
Get a QB next year.
The only way I don't try to trade down is if QW or Allen are there.
Get a QB next year.
We can get a plug and play viable starter at OT likely all the way to our 3rd pick (37).