Because that's what you get when you allow 3 kneel downs to end a game. I don't like radical changes to rules but there seems that an argument could be made against kneel downs to end a game. I feel like there could be a rule that still makes timeouts on defense critical but not a guaranteed loss if you have none with 2 minutes remaining. Something that promotes running on offense in that situation. So victory is all but certain but a fumble can still happen.
Thoughts?
No
I don't think it's the most pressing problem that needs to be solved. There's a much bigger problem with replay slowing down the game and sapping excitement from the fan/viewer experience -- often at what should be the most exciting, pivotal moments. Also: What's a catch? What's a legal hit, and what's an illegal hit? What's pass interference?
Kneel-downs aren't on the same level as those issues.
Funny I saw a thing on the NFL Network on that play and that's why it got me thinking this. Look, I'm very conservative when it comes to rule changes and I cringe over the extra point moving and becoming more than a mere formality. But philosophically I think it was a sound decision and that's how I see this.
Now I don't know how to change the rule, maybe not allow a play of non-positive yardage in the final 2 minutes. But that would have the unintended consequences of legit negative plays in the last 2 minutes having a outsized impact on the game. Also what would the penalty be? Loss of yardage won't matter at that point. So it would be tough to implement.
NFL is only sport where a 1 point game with 2 minutes left
is over
it makes the game so boring
NFL is only sport where a 1 point game with 2 minutes left
is over
it makes the game so boring
I dunno. Seems like a strategical offensive move to me. The winning team has played to get the game to that position of having a win assured.
All the offense would do is hand the ball off and the RB would just fall down and give himself up. There's no way you could penalize an offense for losing yards at the end of a game like that.
Given the nature of the sport, etc. I feel like if you're in a position to go with the victory formation, you've earned it.
I don't see it happening though.
All the offense would do is hand the ball off and the RB would just fall down and give himself up. There's no way you could penalize an offense for losing yards at the end of a game like that.
Given the nature of the sport, etc. I feel like if you're in a position to go with the victory formation, you've earned it.
I'm not proposing this, but it would be pretty radical if the clock automatically stopped within the 2 minute warning if the offense failed to advance the ball. so if it's a sack or any other TFL the clock would automatically stop. This would prevent the running back just giving himself up and you wouldn't have to outlaw the victory formation.
It would certainly make the end of games much more wild. The offense would be force to continue to play.
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You really can't implement something like this and have it work.
All the offense would do is hand the ball off and the RB would just fall down and give himself up. There's no way you could penalize an offense for losing yards at the end of a game like that.
Given the nature of the sport, etc. I feel like if you're in a position to go with the victory formation, you've earned it.
I'm not proposing this, but it would be pretty radical if the clock automatically stopped within the 2 minute warning if the offense failed to advance the ball. so if it's a sack or any other TFL the clock would automatically stop. This would prevent the running back just giving himself up and you wouldn't have to outlaw the victory formation.
It would certainly make the end of games much more wild. The offense would be force to continue to play.
I think the problem would lie within the player safety aspect of things.
Hypothetically, if they were to enforce something like this, the logical thing to do would be to have the QB just sneak the ball and advance it - even if it's a few inches just to keep the clock running.
But you'd have defensive lines doing what Schiano had the Bucs do to us in 2012 and have all of them diving at legs, trying to push the play backwards, etc.
It would probably only take one high-profile guy getting hurt in a situation like that for the players union to want that out of the game.
There have been way worse proposals - I just think it's too radical and would never happen.
Kneel downs are the least of the NFL's concerns. I'd much rather try something radical with regards to the on-sides kick (e.g. the 4th and 12 scenario). And they can certainly speed up and improve the replay system. Why does the ref on the field need to be involved in the decision? That alone probably doubles the length of reviews.
Stupid to change it the winning team earned the chance to get to that spot.
Not a safety issue unless the other coach is that jagoff sciano
It is simple - you have 60 minutes to win the game. If you use your timeouts or can't stop the other team, then you deserve the ending the way it is.
What's next, forcing teams to shoot the ball with 5 on the shot clock because it gets too boring when they take up the entire thing?
Teams trailing by two scores with less than 30 seconds on the clock should be allowed to "waive" the final 30 seconds and go to the locker room
No.
NFL is only sport where a 1 point game with 2 minutes left
is over
it makes the game so boring
I don't have a problem with victory formation. Don't like it? Don't burn your timeouts earlier in the half (how many times do we see teams use a timeout when the delay of game penalty represents relatively low leverage?).
If we're going to talk about rule changes regarding clock management at the end of games, how about calling intentional grounding when a QB spikes the ball?
It is simple - you have 60 minutes to win the game. If you use your timeouts or can't stop the other team, then you deserve the ending the way it is.
What's next, forcing teams to shoot the ball with 5 on the shot clock because it gets too boring when they take up the entire thing?
That's the problem in a nutshell. If they did want to eliminate the kneel down for some dumb reason, it would just lead to more QB sneaks and with jacka$$es like Greg Williams still in the game, you'd be increasing the injury risk. And QBs, the most protected players, would face the brunt of that increased risk (guys diving over piles, etc).
Would it then stop if a team is driving to tie the game or go ahead?
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after the 2:00 warning the clock stops after each play. The strategy then becomes ball control and not just running out the clock.
Would it then stop if a team is driving to tie the game or go ahead?
The clock stoppage after each play would have the same results as an incomplete pass. The game clock stops and the play clock would time the start for the next play to be run. This would be great for close games... it would be horrible for blow-outs.
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