I've shown in the past, when Jake Fromm goes up against the same defenses that the other top college QB's have, he outperforms on average every single one of them.
Something that I did not share, at that time, is that he truly shines when he is under pressure, posting a remarkable
99.6 QB Rating when being pressured.
Now how about Dwayne Haskins?
I know many of you love Haskins, and I would agree with you that he has a good arm. I also do think he may "become" a good QB in time, especially at the NFL level.
However a word of caution I feel is in order...
Here are his numbers, about his offensive line keeping him clean in the pocket, after 6 games.
""Haskins has been kept clean from pressure on
79.7% of his drop back attempts – the most in the Big Ten.""
""He sees a significant drop in passer rating from that 147.2 mark all the way down to
46.9 when pressured, seeing the biggest drop off in passer rating from a clean pocket to under pressure.""
So what the article is saying, is through 6 games he had the cleanest pocket in the big ten.
And a drop off of over 100 points when being pressured is massive. This is the biggest jump of any Big Ten quarterback.
Once again, I'm not for or against Haskins, but my question to those who are, do these numbers concern you at all?
And secondly, why would you not wait another year and take a clearly superior QB in Fromm who thrives under pressure, and has some mobility as well?
Hopefully these numbers should help to bring some balance to the force, when your looking for your next Franchise QB...
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I like Fromm, but he sort of came up short last year and this year when it mattered.
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I guess everyone assumes we'll be drafting at #6 or higher to have a chance at drafting the 2020 QBs. That's not a risk I'm taking unless we have extra 2020 picks to move up.
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Wait a year and take Fromm. Because, as we all know, we can simply draft anyone we want. Too bad they didn’t realize Luck was going to be good, they could have just drafted him if they did.
I guess everyone assumes we'll be drafting at #6 or higher to have a chance at drafting the 2020 QBs. That's not a risk I'm taking unless we have extra 2020 picks to move up.
I think it is fine to compare players but I agree with you that these posts seem to imply we will always have our pick of thee litter of QBs from now until eternity.
I think any team that has lacks a QB solution (as I think we do) needs to take a solid successor at QB if one is available. Either DG has the balls to make this decision or he should get the hell out of the way, cause counting on getting the one guy you like in two years is not a sound strategy.
I would still have him behind Fromm as long as Fromm continued to play well but I would have Haskins ahead of Herbert, Eason, etc.
But I also struggle to find enough plus parts of his game so far.
But I also struggle to find enough plus parts of his game so far.
I think a better comp for Fromm is Carson Wentz.
He's bigger and a better athlete but I see alot of similarities with them in the pocket. Fromm is a better athlete than some realize. He's not exactly Kyler Murray either as he stands at 6'2.
So you took the first 6 starts of his college career, how about the last 8 games this year? I don’t know if the numbers are different, but everything I’ve seen/read/heard seems to indicate he drastically improved in most areas as the season went on. Which has to be considered a huge plus when talking about a guy who only has 14 total starts.
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and considerably bigger.
He's bigger and a better athlete but I see alot of similarities with them in the pocket. Fromm is a better athlete than some realize. He's not exactly Kyler Murray either as he stands at 6'2.
Yes, Fromm is mobile. He's a much better athlete than, say, Eli.
As I'm sure you know, he was an outstanding baseball player, too. I was watching the LSU-GA baseball game today and his name came up. The broadcasters were asking a Georgia pitcher if the anyone on the team tries to get Fromm to play. Sounds like they tried but Fromm is all-in on football.
I'd like to see him play live to get a better sense of his velocity. It looks good, but nothing on the plus side.
And back to his mobility. I need to pay more attention to his accuracy on the move. With Georgia, they usually don't throw the ball a ton because their running game is superb year after year. I think in 14 games this year Fromm barely had 300 attempts.
He had a great line about stats, warning us all about the sloppy tendency people have "to use stats like a blind man uses a street lamp post - more for support than illumination."
So after 6 games Haskins was dreadful under pressure, but by the end of the season he was one of the best in college football for the whole season? Meaning, of course, he must've killed it his last 8 games?
Somewhere I read that Justin Meyers actually changed significant parts of his offense during the season so that it would match to Haskins' skills. Maybe Haskins learned to read and correct protections during the season?
Dude, you just gotta watch guys play to decide who you really like, and then make your argument on that. Please stop with the stats, folks have been begging you, nicely. This is one of your worst posts ever, and that's saying something.
But I also struggle to find enough plus parts of his game so far.
Sorry, I see no similarities between Fromm and Jones. Fromm looks so much smoother. Maybe are looking at different parts of their games. I like Fromm a lot better than Jones.
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Haskins’ passer rating when pressured was 87.6 which sort of makes your point moot.
Seems like every one of his posts needs to be fact checked because they consistently are just a conglomeration of made up shit.
They just aren't. They saw what the team did without OBJ and a defense in flux in the 2nd half.
They are believing in greater things this year coupled with the 2nd easiest strength of schedule in the NFL.
Lets say they are proven correct and we pick early 20's or later....its gonna be awfully hard to get a top QB in that position. Awfully Hard. You can argue strongly with Eli at 39 and in his last year of contract the time to strike is NOW.
"Ya don't say"
-K Murray
The only way we get him is we trade that second #1 pick this year for something next year to use as collateral to move up.
Imv...
Except that the stats actually reflect that he's the best QB in the class under pressure (and would have been the best in all recent classes as well).
The idea that Haskins struggles under pressure is, IMO, a bastardization of the argument that Haskins didn't face much pressure due to an outstanding OL and skill position players that forced defenses to keep more guys back in coverage. But aside from an incredibly small sample size where Haskins looked visibly more shaky in a game where he was heavily pressured, there's very little to determine Haskins' effectiveness under pressure one way or another.
For the sake of accuracy, Lawrence would have to forego his senior year to enter the 2021 draft. If he plays all four seasons of his eligibility, Lawrence will be in the 2022 draft.
In the event that Lawrence and Fromm are in the same draft, they're not battling for the #1 spot - it's Lawrence's by a fairly wide margin, IMO, barring any sort of significant injury or decline in play.
Unfortunately, Fromm has a shittier coach at Georgia as well.
He's not liable to develop much.
Unfortunately, Fromm has a shittier coach at Georgia as well.
He's not liable to develop much.
Fromm only had 300 attempts last year, about 20 attempts per game. And that's because Georgia has such a dominant, perennial running game, and just overall talent, that they are very good at getting leads and making it easier for the QB to manage the game. So Fromm is definitely playing in a very QB friendly environment.
I do like him. There is a poise and toughness that shine through. But I need to see more because I just don't see enough plus qualities.
Unfortunately, Fromm has a shittier coach at Georgia as well.
He's not liable to develop much.
This is pretty much the best endorsement Kirby Smart could have wished for.
If you don't like his posts, don't read them.
I just don't get why certain BBIers have to come onto threads, just to tell the OP they don't know crap. It's weird.
The only way we get him is we trade that second #1 pick this year for something next year to use as collateral to move up.
Imv...
Or they could use the 2021 #1 instead of this year's 2nd #1.