John Mara said the off-field things with Odel Beckham was a factor but not to the point where they felt they had to get rid of him. They felt his issues were manageable.
John Mara said he gave reluctant approval for the Odell Beckham trade. He likes him, thinks his talent is unique ... Steve Tisch said it was one of the toughest decisions hes made as an owner.
Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
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Do I feel a sense of sentimentality towards Eli Manning? Of course I do. Would I ever let that get in the way of a football decision? Absolutely not. And I cant believe some people write that.
Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
Would I ever let that get in the way of a football decision? Absolutely not. And I cant believe some people write that.
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
Would I ever let that get in the way of a football decision? Absolutely not. And I cant believe some people write that.
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
John Mara on the plan The plan is to build the team & make it better. Says trying to build & win now. Doesnt understand why media & some fans dont understand that. #NYG
Would I ever let that get in the way of a football decision? Absolutely not. And I cant believe some people write that.
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
You cant believe they write stuff about a QB who has the most losses and turnovers in the NFL since 2012? You can believe anything you like regarding Manning, and I dont judge it. However, there is no way it isnt a story. I dont see how you can possibly think it has nothing to do with sentimentality nowadays.
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I think Mara is totally sentimental when it comes to Eli
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
John Mara on the plan The plan is to build the team & make it better. Says trying to build & win now. Doesnt understand why media & some fans dont understand that. #NYG
well to be fair, a lot of the fans are not very bright.
frightening that anyone believes Eli can still play at a high level consistently.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
He has been bad but Im talking myself into giving him one last shot with at least hopefully a mediocre line. Hes part of the reason, but the offensive line has been absolutely atrocious since 2013.
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
It was he and Lil Wayne and it was early in the season when we were struggling. He had just signed his contract a few weeks prior...
Here are a few excerpts:
Quote:
I dont feel like Im being given the opportunity to be the very best that I can, to bring that every single day and thats really all I want to do, to bring that every single day. Since Ive been here Ive put up numbers, records have been broken and all those good things, not to say mean nothing to me, but I know they could have been double, or triple whatever they are now. Thats the part that bothers me.
On Eli...
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Like I said, I feel like hes not going to get out the pocket. Hes not we know Elis not running it. But is it a matter of time issue? Can he still throw it, yeah, but its been pretty safe and its been, you know, cool catching shallow and trying to take it to the house. But Im, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody.
On the coaching staff...
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I feel like in the past five years they found a way to run a Cover 2, keep everything in front, and thats how they play me and theres no way to say How do we beat this? I feel like Im being out-schemed, and I also dont have a chance to like, do something. Oh, I gotta take a slant and go 60? Not to say its not fun, but I want those easy touchdowns too. I watch everybody across the league, all the top receivers get the ball the way they should, and if they dont they say something about it.
I get the frustration, I do.... special player, sees what guys in his league are doing in other cities, gets annoyed that he feels like he's getting boxed out and not able to play to his potential.
But at the end of the day... why say this stuff in an interview that everyone is going to see? Why is Lil Wayne there? Why are we telling Josina Anderson all of this?
To me, it wasn't the end of the world - but it was also where I kind of realized that he was just probably not ever going to change or be anything other than what he is.
Antonio Brown repeatedly has talked about his own stats and milestones and stuff like that too... I don't mind a player challenging himself, and I don't even blame Brown for leaving PIT if Roethlisberger was/is as much of an asshole as it seems like... but still..
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
I recommend watching it as I recently did and it did change my mind a bit. I had seen a brief clip when it happened but basically wrote it off without watching the whole thing as just some nonsense and it didnt bother me....after now watching it in full and realizing this came after his huge new contract, I think it was a very shitty move and can absolutely see it as a justifiable turning point for the Giants.
Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Ive accepted it. But he has nobody to blame but himself for not being here. That interview-was it harmless? Probably. But it was so nonsensically stupid, as were some of his other harmless antics.
Methinks the Mara doth protest too much! It's comical he would get that upset at writers who question whether or not his sentimentality towards Eli has clouded his decision. Of course it did!
And I also don't believe him when he said that getting rid of OBJ was a tough decision. Mara wanted OBJ gone. He acts like it was DG's idea and he reluctantly went along with it. That way Mara can avoid responsibility for the decision.
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
It was he and Lil Wayne and it was early in the season when we were struggling. He had just signed his contract a few weeks prior...
Here are a few excerpts:
Quote:
I dont feel like Im being given the opportunity to be the very best that I can, to bring that every single day and thats really all I want to do, to bring that every single day. Since Ive been here Ive put up numbers, records have been broken and all those good things, not to say mean nothing to me, but I know they could have been double, or triple whatever they are now. Thats the part that bothers me.
On Eli...
Quote:
Like I said, I feel like hes not going to get out the pocket. Hes not we know Elis not running it. But is it a matter of time issue? Can he still throw it, yeah, but its been pretty safe and its been, you know, cool catching shallow and trying to take it to the house. But Im, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody.
On the coaching staff...
Quote:
I feel like in the past five years they found a way to run a Cover 2, keep everything in front, and thats how they play me and theres no way to say How do we beat this? I feel like Im being out-schemed, and I also dont have a chance to like, do something. Oh, I gotta take a slant and go 60? Not to say its not fun, but I want those easy touchdowns too. I watch everybody across the league, all the top receivers get the ball the way they should, and if they dont they say something about it.
I get the frustration, I do.... special player, sees what guys in his league are doing in other cities, gets annoyed that he feels like he's getting boxed out and not able to play to his potential.
But at the end of the day... why say this stuff in an interview that everyone is going to see? Why is Lil Wayne there? Why are we telling Josina Anderson all of this?
To me, it wasn't the end of the world - but it was also where I kind of realized that he was just probably not ever going to change or be anything other than what he is.
Antonio Brown repeatedly has talked about his own stats and milestones and stuff like that too... I don't mind a player challenging himself, and I don't even blame Brown for leaving PIT if Roethlisberger was/is as much of an asshole as it seems like... but still..
What happened to the team?
Thank you. I really appreciate you putting in some extra time to explain/show what he said
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
John Mara on the plan The plan is to build the team & make it better. Says trying to build & win now. Doesnt understand why media & some fans dont understand that. #NYG
God bless this old, sweet man. He's a real pisser.
Just keep getting together in Dave's office to throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, John.
Here is Giants co-owner Steve Tisch's full comment on Robert Kraft: "I think what Robert said yesterday very publicly, I think it came from his heart. I think he was really addressing his family, his team, his players, his friends and Patriots fans.
'It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him'...
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
A shit thing to do the interview I hate how this has become new thing- celebrity interviews or the shop-
On another note everything he said was accurate- so theres that too- the truth pisses off a lot of people most of the time
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? .
Because people got their feelings hurt.
Half a dozen users on BBI would have fined him for that too. That certainly isn't a moral compass. Show me where a player was negatively affected by the content of his interview other than someone's sensibilities.
Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
Mara getting a little defensive there.
Can you blame him?? Non stop parroting and questioning from a made up narrative. Thats what the sports media does. Id be angry too. Shit I am angry about it as a fan. Its non stop. Just Shut it already.
As for not trading Collins at the deadline: "It was still early enough in the year that we hadnt completely given up yet and we wanted to see what happened with him... We had not made a decision yet at that point in time whether he was gonna be a part of the future or not."
This Front Office and Team need a huge kick in the ass
but the TD celebrations also were not harmless as they resulted in penalties. What really annoyed me was Shephard getting one after a TD when we were having a hard time scoring. That's when I really lost it. Way to make the defense's job harder.
I really thought OBJ was maturing, but at some point you have to look at yourself and realize you're a full grown adult in a privileged position.
This decision will be judged by what Odell does in CLE and what DG gets out of this draft. The Giants will be praised or crucified based on this alone.
Odell felt Eli was holding the offense back and was very vocal about it inside the facility and to Gettleman. Whereas with Reese he had a receptive audience at all times, not so much with DG.
The decision to go with Eli another year only upped the ante - there likely would've been another interview or another Josina Anderson type piece early on, so the Giants got value before a flare-up or another injury.
I don't love the obj trade and TBH was pissed wen it happened. After as someone else mentioned...I watched the entire lil wayne j Anderson interview and it was bad. It was far from harmless. After a team gives you 95 mill you should be saying nothing bad, at least not right after you get that contract. If someone asks, they serve the best frosted flakes out of any cafeteria world wide. You literally say nothing bad. He not only spit in the face of ownership but he clearly took a shot at coaches, Eli and team. IDC if it's somewhat true or warranted. A backup shouldn't do it, let alone a star player, supposed to be a franchise guy, team leader who just got 95 mill. Fuck him for that. After watching it eased my pain some for sure
Can you blame him?? Non stop parroting and questioning from a made up narrative. Thats what the sports media does. Id be angry too. Shit I am angry about it as a fan. Its non stop. Just Shut it already.
I think the reporters are not asking the right question. It is not whether Mara is being influenced by HIS sentimental feelings about Eli... but whether he is considering the fan's feeling towards Eli.
Rewind a couple of years ago when the Giants were benching Eli. Does anyone remember what happened? The fans completely lost their minds over it.
Then, this is what Mara said in an interview afterwards and I am paraphrasing...
1. He said he an Reese discussed it via text since Mara was not in East Rutherford. Decided they needed to get a look at someone else at QB
2. He said he did not expect the fans to get so "emotional" over it.
The fans ARE his revenue and also the customer. So, you can infer what you want from that. Could mean nothing at all but also it needs to be considered.
frightening that anyone believes Eli can still play at a high level consistently.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
It's also frightening that people like you completely write him off when he not only has one of the top 3 worst OL in the league until halfway through last year (and then it became just sub par) but he is also on his second new offensive system in 3 years. the truth is it lies somewhere in between. And we won't know how much in between until we actually take the hyper jump to mediocre + blocking and another year in Shurmur's system. These things matter, believe it or not. The wrong person left the building when Coughlin left. It was probably time for him to go, but so was it time for Jerry Rees and Marc Ross, the two culprits of this shit show. But keep blaming Eli.
frightening that anyone believes Eli can still play at a high level consistently.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid. It is and was the OL that is why they have been fixing it. Your daily rants on Elis play is getting old.
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Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
"I wont lie to you watching Odell play for another team is not going to be easy."
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Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
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Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
Mara getting a little defensive there.
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
Lol
Direct shot at Pat Leonard, Jordan Ranaan, and a myriad of other hacks in the media. Cant believe they write it and some fans believe it. Of course Mara is sentimental about Eli. What Giant fan isnt? But if Eli was done, hed be sentimental about Eli AND release him. Hes not done so I dont blame him for getting disgusted by that narrative.
You cant believe they write stuff about a QB who has the most losses and turnovers in the NFL since 2012? You can believe anything you like regarding Manning, and I dont judge it. However, there is no way it isnt a story. I dont see how you can possibly think it has nothing to do with sentimentality nowadays.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
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John Mara on the plan The plan is to build the team & make it better. Says trying to build & win now. Doesnt understand why media & some fans dont understand that. #NYG
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
I do to. But I dont believe he would sabatouge his team out f sentimentality.
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I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
It was he and Lil Wayne and it was early in the season when we were struggling. He had just signed his contract a few weeks prior...
Here are a few excerpts:
On Eli...
On the coaching staff...
I get the frustration, I do.... special player, sees what guys in his league are doing in other cities, gets annoyed that he feels like he's getting boxed out and not able to play to his potential.
But at the end of the day... why say this stuff in an interview that everyone is going to see? Why is Lil Wayne there? Why are we telling Josina Anderson all of this?
To me, it wasn't the end of the world - but it was also where I kind of realized that he was just probably not ever going to change or be anything other than what he is.
Antonio Brown repeatedly has talked about his own stats and milestones and stuff like that too... I don't mind a player challenging himself, and I don't even blame Brown for leaving PIT if Roethlisberger was/is as much of an asshole as it seems like... but still..
What happened to the team?
Haha. I know.. it's like if I don't crucify Beckham or relentlessly defend everything, I have no side!
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I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
I recommend watching it as I recently did and it did change my mind a bit. I had seen a brief clip when it happened but basically wrote it off without watching the whole thing as just some nonsense and it didnt bother me....after now watching it in full and realizing this came after his huge new contract, I think it was a very shitty move and can absolutely see it as a justifiable turning point for the Giants.
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Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Does the grandson have power of attorney yet?
Reminder:
"Had I more time, I would have written a shorter letter..."
-- Mark Twain
;)
Methinks the Mara doth protest too much! It's comical he would get that upset at writers who question whether or not his sentimentality towards Eli has clouded his decision. Of course it did!
And I also don't believe him when he said that getting rid of OBJ was a tough decision. Mara wanted OBJ gone. He acts like it was DG's idea and he reluctantly went along with it. That way Mara can avoid responsibility for the decision.
Had to put in a full day for work - which means I'm on the laptop all day. So, I just keep distracting myself here while I watch the tourney.
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I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
I never saw even a nanosecond of his ESPN interview. Can you give me the cliff notes?
It was he and Lil Wayne and it was early in the season when we were struggling. He had just signed his contract a few weeks prior...
Here are a few excerpts:
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I dont feel like Im being given the opportunity to be the very best that I can, to bring that every single day and thats really all I want to do, to bring that every single day. Since Ive been here Ive put up numbers, records have been broken and all those good things, not to say mean nothing to me, but I know they could have been double, or triple whatever they are now. Thats the part that bothers me.
On Eli...
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Like I said, I feel like hes not going to get out the pocket. Hes not we know Elis not running it. But is it a matter of time issue? Can he still throw it, yeah, but its been pretty safe and its been, you know, cool catching shallow and trying to take it to the house. But Im, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody.
On the coaching staff...
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I feel like in the past five years they found a way to run a Cover 2, keep everything in front, and thats how they play me and theres no way to say How do we beat this? I feel like Im being out-schemed, and I also dont have a chance to like, do something. Oh, I gotta take a slant and go 60? Not to say its not fun, but I want those easy touchdowns too. I watch everybody across the league, all the top receivers get the ball the way they should, and if they dont they say something about it.
I get the frustration, I do.... special player, sees what guys in his league are doing in other cities, gets annoyed that he feels like he's getting boxed out and not able to play to his potential.
But at the end of the day... why say this stuff in an interview that everyone is going to see? Why is Lil Wayne there? Why are we telling Josina Anderson all of this?
To me, it wasn't the end of the world - but it was also where I kind of realized that he was just probably not ever going to change or be anything other than what he is.
Antonio Brown repeatedly has talked about his own stats and milestones and stuff like that too... I don't mind a player challenging himself, and I don't even blame Brown for leaving PIT if Roethlisberger was/is as much of an asshole as it seems like... but still..
What happened to the team?
Thank you. I really appreciate you putting in some extra time to explain/show what he said
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John Mara on the plan The plan is to build the team & make it better. Says trying to build & win now. Doesnt understand why media & some fans dont understand that. #NYG
God bless this old, sweet man. He's a real pisser.
Just keep getting together in Dave's office to throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, John.
A shit thing to do the interview I hate how this has become new thing- celebrity interviews or the shop-
On another note everything he said was accurate- so theres that too- the truth pisses off a lot of people most of the time
Because people got their feelings hurt.
Half a dozen users on BBI would have fined him for that too. That certainly isn't a moral compass. Show me where a player was negatively affected by the content of his interview other than someone's sensibilities.
Mara getting riled up - ( New Window )
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Asked if hes lettting sentimentality get in the way of making a decision with Eli Manning, John Mara gets emotional and angry and calls it absolute nonsense.
Mara getting a little defensive there.
Can you blame him?? Non stop parroting and questioning from a made up narrative. Thats what the sports media does. Id be angry too. Shit I am angry about it as a fan. Its non stop. Just Shut it already.
I really thought OBJ was maturing, but at some point you have to look at yourself and realize you're a full grown adult in a privileged position.
The decision to go with Eli another year only upped the ante - there likely would've been another interview or another Josina Anderson type piece early on, so the Giants got value before a flare-up or another injury.
Can you blame him?? Non stop parroting and questioning from a made up narrative. Thats what the sports media does. Id be angry too. Shit I am angry about it as a fan. Its non stop. Just Shut it already.
I think the reporters are not asking the right question. It is not whether Mara is being influenced by HIS sentimental feelings about Eli... but whether he is considering the fan's feeling towards Eli.
Rewind a couple of years ago when the Giants were benching Eli. Does anyone remember what happened? The fans completely lost their minds over it.
Then, this is what Mara said in an interview afterwards and I am paraphrasing...
1. He said he an Reese discussed it via text since Mara was not in East Rutherford. Decided they needed to get a look at someone else at QB
2. He said he did not expect the fans to get so "emotional" over it.
The fans ARE his revenue and also the customer. So, you can infer what you want from that. Could mean nothing at all but also it needs to be considered.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
It's also frightening that people like you completely write him off when he not only has one of the top 3 worst OL in the league until halfway through last year (and then it became just sub par) but he is also on his second new offensive system in 3 years. the truth is it lies somewhere in between. And we won't know how much in between until we actually take the hyper jump to mediocre + blocking and another year in Shurmur's system. These things matter, believe it or not. The wrong person left the building when Coughlin left. It was probably time for him to go, but so was it time for Jerry Rees and Marc Ross, the two culprits of this shit show. But keep blaming Eli.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid. It is and was the OL that is why they have been fixing it. Your daily rants on Elis play is getting old.