John Mara said the off-field things with Odel Beckham was a factor but not to the point where they felt they had to get rid of him. They felt his issues were manageable.
We gave up one of the most valuable non-QB players in the entire league for an unknown #17 overall rookie pick and an average starting safety. The off-the-field and the locker room stuff had a lot to do with it, and by that I really mean the "locker room stuff" AS MARA PERCEIVED IT. I really believe the players loved Odell and admired his work ethic and desire to win, but Mara saw him as insubordinate, crass, and self-entitled due to his old-school mentality about how professional football players are "supposed" to act.
about himself, to the detriment of the team. it was clear as day. they had to ship him.
i believe they wanted to make it work and so signed him to the big deal. he started the season openly doubting his QB, his coaches, his team, and ended it sitting out the last 4 games with a leg bruise. in the middle he had some special teams brain farts that cost the giants at least one game. he had to go. it was a terminal case.
Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
We gave up one of the most valuable non-QB players in the entire league for an unknown #17 overall rookie pick and an average starting safety. The off-the-field and the locker room stuff had a lot to do with it, and by that I really mean the "locker room stuff" AS MARA PERCEIVED IT. I really believe the players loved Odell and admired his work ethic and desire to win, but Mara saw him as insubordinate, crass, and self-entitled due to his old-school mentality about how professional football players are "supposed" to act.
We gave up one of the most valuable non-QB players in the entire league for an unknown #17 overall rookie pick and an average starting safety. The off-the-field and the locker room stuff had a lot to do with it, and by that I really mean the "locker room stuff" AS MARA PERCEIVED IT. I really believe the players loved Odell and admired his work ethic and desire to win, but Mara saw him as insubordinate, crass, and self-entitled due to his old-school mentality about how professional football players are "supposed" to act.
Mara said he thought the Giants got the best deal for OBJ. We have a GM who admits he only talked to 3 teams (Browns,Bills,49ers) about trading him. I'll say what I said the night of the trade-Why the rush 6 weeks before the draft? Maybe it was time to trade him as we don't know the inner workings of the team. But,to not talk to the rest of the league about,arguably,the best WR in the NFL makes no sense unless the edict had been passed down to get rid of OBJ ASAP. And,the Brown trade cannot be used as a comparison,he demanded a trade,Steelers said a divorce was coming & that certainly lowered offers.We had a WR signed to a long term contract,no recent situations w/him & yet our GM talks to only 3 teams because"you don't want to be the one making the call" (WTF). I just will not believe that a better offer might have been made if Gettleman had done his job the right way & exhausted all possibilities!
Making a big deal about your receiving numbers and highlight reel plays rather than your team winning, on top of being a responsible and upstanding teammate.
In comment 14355691 Jim in Hoboken said:
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
RE: RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
In comment 14355691 Jim in Hoboken said:
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
Jeez if that's true how did the Giants score MORE points without OBJ?
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
A shit thing to do the interview I hate how this has become new thing- celebrity interviews or the shop-
On another note everything he said was accurate- so theres that too- the truth pisses off a lot of people most of the time
Bullshit. He's never had a deep ball thrown to him? It is all slants and he goes 60? His most famous moment was a deep ball, the time he ate up Richard Sherman was deep balls, the laying out in Washington was a deep ball, the bombs against the Dolphins were deep balls, the long TD against the Rams was a deep ball. Shall I continue or are the blind done making up shit to defend their golden haired god? Give me a fucking break he's full of shit and himself. I thought you were smarter than this, that's on me for thinking you had a shred of common sense. Fanboy morons are insufferable.
Im not pissed off in the least, because I actually do know that OBJ has selective recall. If you have GamePass which I believe has games going back 10 years, you will See that OBJ was FOS. I loved OBJs talent and have reviewed many of his games on GP, given that I most likely wont follow him all that much. The games put the kabosh to OBJs bullshit narrative, at least in the main. Not my opinion. Its OUT THERE for all to see
Still do. I dont believe for a second he is compromising team success out of loyalty to Eli. His first loyalties have always been first and foremost his New York Giants.
He was proven wrong in his belief the Giants could contend with Eli the past two seasons, but all this speculation that there was a mandate from him regarding Eli, is just that, speculation.
When you dont like someone no matter what he says you will spin it to fit your narrative, think there is a lot of that going on here.
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him.
That is the the belief here that we did not get enough. However, the market spoke. If there were other teams willing to offer more, then they would have.
The fans here are like homeowners who are trying to sell their houses for more than market value. Always thinking it is worth more than it is. Then, after sitting there with no action they drop the price and finally sell it and STILL think the house was worth more.
RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
OMG round and round and round we go. For the 80 billionth time... the point is that you cannot possibly assess with any reasonable certainty that was on Eli based on the (utter lack of) competent blocking. You do realize you need at least some modicum of time to actually A) have routes develop and B) actually have time to throw the ball? Maybe? When the blocking takes the meteoric rise to JUST MEDIOCRE (Or hey maybe even slightly better), THEN I will pass my judgement on whether this QB is specifically done or not. I mean, oh so he is so decrepit he can only throw slants now? Geezus that is just so dumb.
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
Shouldn't it be a professional courtesy when the content pertains to the team and their players? If Odell was giving an interview based on his preference for shitty pizza with shitty rappers, then no one would care. The interview was a surprise to the team. Even after it was taped and before it aired, Odell had the opportunity to make the team aware. Instead, he knew the content and chose the blind-side option.
drivil posted. Some of you are in love with your own narrative. Like you actually know better than the owners or the GM = guys that have been involved with football their entire lives (well not Tisch) while we, the general public, are involved with the tuner on our TV or radio.
Of course Mara will have some smoke about Beckham - he is not going to trash him or throw him under the bus. Of course he will not trash Eli - hell half of BBI shit the bed when Eli benched himself, yes himself.
As far as the trade - how many teams had the money to even think about the trade? How many of those teams needed a WR? How many of those teams were willing to give up a decent haul to take Beckham? How many of you realize that it takes two to tango and that the other team is not just going to completely concede to all of DGs demands. Like arc - I didn't like trading Beckham and almost nothing bothered me except the dog pissing incident. I seriously doubt Beckham told Shurmur to fuck off.
If you want to spend your life trashing Mara? Your right, your privilege. You don't like what he has done? Neither do I sometimes. Fine. But don't act like you know better, because you do not. Think it was an awful trade or they should have traded him to another team offering more? Well go find that other team and let us know who it was. The 49ers? They did not want to trade #2 - end of deal. Bills, they were not even interested. Who else was there? Patriots? You think Belichick was taking on a contract bigger than Brady's and giving up his #1, #2 and more? I think the writers would have known by now - bet Glazer would have been all over it.
blind nor stupid. He's just one of many posters who can't get over the fact we didn't draft a QB last year:
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Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Mara: I had very mixed feelings about it because I happen to like the kid. I really do. I have two grandsons who sobbed uncontrollably when I called to tell them that we had traded him one of whom is still not talking to me. They both said theyre going to be Browns fans this year. So thats the effect he has. Theyre 7 years old and they think hes a god. I liked him a lot personally. Hes different. Hes not a bad kid.
Dave [Gettleman, the Giants GM] and I had a long talk about it. When the Browns made their final offer, I wanted to knowYou and Pat [Shurmur] both want to do this? Youre sure? Youre absolutely sure? I still said I had to think about it. Then I called him back a little bit later.
FMIA: I thought you had to be thinking of Lawrence Taylor, and if your organization could put up with Taylor, surely you could put up with Beckham.
Mara: Theres an old Bill Parcells quote: Lawrence Taylor is the pilot of a burning plane. Somehow he managed to keep the plane from crashing. But we got we had a lot of holes to fill. Getting the first-round pick, getting the third-round pick, getting our fourth back from the [Kevin Zeitler] trade. You can argue whether its comparable value. I felt better about that than about previous offers that had come down the pike. And he was going out of the conference! Out of the division, so it was a reluctant OK.
Of course we want to keep our best players. Listen, I had many conversations with him. He had the stupid penalty in Philadelphia where he lifted his leg in the end zone [in a faux dog-urination scene] and I brought him into my office and I showed him the front page of the New York Post and said, Is this what you want? Is this what you want your legacy to be? He looked at me and he said, Well you know, I just dont understand the celebration rules. I said, Well you know you cant do that!
FMIA: Sounds like youre pretty motivated as a team to build your lines back up in the draft.
Mara: I dont know what were going to dowhether well take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But dont force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I dont want to have to do that, but if we have to, Id rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, Whats the plan? Whats the plan? Were trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? Yeah, were gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster! Its exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that youre defenseless when you lose. Theres nothing you can say. Weve got to build our team, and weve got to win.
Instead of some of the short quips from twitter, the above provides context to what is being asked/answered.
and it's why he pisses so many people off. The dog pissing thing was so much more than the celebration, he has a total lack of self awareness.
Listen, I had many conversations with him. He had the stupid penalty in Philadelphia where he lifted his leg in the end zone [in a faux dog-urination scene] and I brought him into my office and I showed him the front page of the New York Post and said, Is this what you want? Is this what you want your legacy to be? He looked at me and he said, Well you know, I just dont understand the celebration rules. I said, Well you know you cant do that!
Mara calls him in to talk about it point blank and he says "I don't understand the rules"?
I had always hoped it would work out with Odell here - the talent is tremendous, undeniable, and not something you often have the luxury of having on your roster.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
I agree, and I never cared about off the field stuff especially interviews. This team needed value spread out and this was an opportunity to get there.Even if the Browns with the next 3 Super bowls. It was not happening here if he stayed. Sometimes you just have to move on and clean up your own house.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
RE: RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
For the 80 billionth time... the point is that you cannot possibly assess with any reasonable certainty that was on Eli based on the (utter lack of) competent blocking. You do realize you need at least some modicum of time to actually A) have routes develop and B) actually have time to throw the ball? Maybe? When the blocking takes the meteoric rise to JUST MEDIOCRE (Or hey maybe even slightly better), THEN I will pass my judgement on whether this QB is specifically done or not. I mean, oh so he is so decrepit he can only throw slants now? Geezus that is just so dumb.
It's been mediocre. The excuse-making is in the insistence that he "can't be evaluated" until he's got 1 or 2 pro bowlers in front of him.
Don't overdramatize it for effect. He wasn't getting David Carr'd last year. He's played behind worse offensive lines. 2013 and 2017 were pathetic.
frightening that anyone believes Eli can still play at a high level consistently.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
It's also frightening that people like you completely write him off when he not only has one of the top 3 worst OL in the league until halfway through last year (and then it became just sub par) but he is also on his second new offensive system in 3 years. the truth is it lies somewhere in between. And we won't know how much in between until we actually take the hyper jump to mediocre + blocking and another year in Shurmur's system. These things matter, believe it or not. The wrong person left the building when Coughlin left. It was probably time for him to go, but so was it time for Jerry Rees and Marc Ross, the two culprits of this shit show. But keep blaming Eli.
The strong contingent of bbi Eli haters are in all likelihood Reese supporter remnants (I dont think there's any Ross supporters) who lives in a fantasy world where our can't find a running game for 10 years roster wasn't complete crap.
blind nor stupid. He's just one of many posters who can't get over the fact we didn't draft a QB last year:
Quote:
Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Don't forget Joe Beningo and his rabid bbi Jets fans and their saviour Darnold, who is so far shaping up to be Andy Dalton-esque, with less toughness faux injuries.
Still do. I dont believe for a second he is compromising team success out of loyalty to Eli. His first loyalties have always been first and foremost his New York Giants.
He was proven wrong in his belief the Giants could contend with Eli the past two seasons, but all this speculation that there was a mandate from him regarding Eli, is just that, speculation.
When you dont like someone no matter what he says you will spin it to fit your narrative, think there is a lot of that going on here.
Yes pure speculation by dummies, but there is a defacto mandate by the fans, Eli is NYs greatest recent sports figure behind Jeter. Let's say this, I as a Yankees fan disliked Jeter, and especially his old selfish ass continuing to play SS, but I knew there was nothing to do about it. Imagine if Jeter was replaced by Geno Smith lol?
RE: RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
In comment 14355691 Jim in Hoboken said:
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
Is baloney.. I read and watched the interview.. He stated repeatedly the line cant give him time and its frustrating because he wants to go down field more. Both are fair assessments. I understand but Odell is a baby.. He will do really well with Browns until he burns out or implodes. Build the lines WR are not worth the trouble. Even Tyreek Hill.
Doesnt matter
WillVAB : 3/24/2019 10:14 pm : link : reply
This decision will be judged by what Odell does in CLE and what DG gets out of this draft. The Giants will be praised or crucified based on this alone.
We can go back and forth on how good or how bad the deal was, only time will tell.....
As for OBj I am surprised by the number of BBI'ers that are giving more weight to that "interview", than the fact that OBj basically sat himself down for the last 4 games.....he was hurt in the Philly game, the last play.....he played the following week.....there was no indication after that game, that there was a problem, until later in the week....
Re watching highlights of games of the season, Eli left a lot of plays on the field....yes there were times when he "forced" passes to OBj....but also, there quite a few plays where Eli did not look in his direction and he was open, or he just did not throw a good pass to him....
And OBj? He is not without blame either....he made a lot of mistakes this year, especially in that Panther game....
There are a lot of comparisons to LT.....Did the Giants look the other way on many occasion with him? Yes....but LT came to play every game....and his faults were personal, not an open display like OBj was....
I was looking forward to a season of OBj and SB, with a revamped OL......I thought this combination was going to be spectacular if they could avoid the injury bug.....now we will never know.....
But what we do know is, that DG was blowing smoke up our asses, when he said he would never trade OBj, UNLESS HE GOT AN OFFER HE COULDN'T REFUSE! That trade was not one of those offers.....
If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
If they don't then they are incompetent as a business org. Every business and every team*should* have such a policy.
RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
I think one counterargument is that by every account I've read, he really really liked Jerry Reese and he really really liked Tom Coughlin. But one of them he fired within t the season, which has got to be about the most humiliating thing you could do to a person. And, in the years he fired both, he gave locker room talks and press conferences where he was visually pissed about the records.
So, I would gather he really does, despite your disbelief, know the team's records over, not only the last 2 seasons, but every single one since he's been alive. He's lived and had experience with tough breakups, and has always come out of them as a business man, doing what businessmen do.
I mean a straight up "DG - I done dealing with the Odell stuff - deal him." or "Eli is the cornerstone of this franchise - don't sit him ever head coach." or "go sign a WR to replace OBJ."
RE: RE: RE: Did any of you read what Odell said in the interview? He felt Eli
For the 80 billionth time... the point is that you cannot possibly assess with any reasonable certainty that was on Eli based on the (utter lack of) competent blocking. You do realize you need at least some modicum of time to actually A) have routes develop and B) actually have time to throw the ball? Maybe? When the blocking takes the meteoric rise to JUST MEDIOCRE (Or hey maybe even slightly better), THEN I will pass my judgement on whether this QB is specifically done or not. I mean, oh so he is so decrepit he can only throw slants now? Geezus that is just so dumb.
It's been mediocre. The excuse-making is in the insistence that he "can't be evaluated" until he's got 1 or 2 pro bowlers in front of him.
Don't overdramatize it for effect. He wasn't getting David Carr'd last year. He's played behind worse offensive lines. 2013 and 2017 were pathetic.
It has been mediocre? When? In 2011? Last year before the bye Eli was sacked 30 plus times... AND the average first contact from defenses on our RBs was .17 yards on average. (That's 6 INCHES on first contact). Explain to me on what planet that qualifies as "mediocre".
Giants really aren't on the same page it seems. I'm sure he was perhaps onboard when it happened but I sense he's probably have regrets about the Beckham trade
I think we all agree on one point. We can't judge the trade until after the draft. Let's see what that first and 3rd round pick produce. I happen to believe that Peppers will actually end up being better than Collins, particularly from a cost perspective it's not close.
But I think the Giants pulled the trigger on an Odell trade at the right time. Gettleman made a comment that I thought was a good one in his media tour last week. He said the price for putting a franchise tag on a player is 2 #1 picks and the last one to actually get it done was Sean Gilbert. Where (amazingly) the Redskins benefitted from someone else's stupid decision when the Panthers signed him and gave up 2 first rounders.
So realistically, when talking about acquiring a veteran player in a trade. The realistic asking price is a first rounder, a 2/3rd, and a player. That's a strong package to get back. I think the Giants did try to pry the 2nd overall from the Niners, but they wouldn't budge. So getting back a 1st, a 3rd (I wish they'd have gotten the better 3rd, but whatever) and Peppers (a young safety who was a first round talent) is actually a good package in reality. And I'm of the opinion the Giants will stay at 6 and draft and will use the #17 as a pivot spot to move up as another player slips past 10 and will package their other later picks to move up and grab someone.
However, all of this is predicated on the following assumption. This wasn't going to end well with Odell. Period. I think Antonio Brown opened the Giants eyes. Look at the contract that is being discussed now with Julio Jones at age 30. Odell is a volatile asset. But one which the past couple of years we've seen him go down with an ankle injury followed by a broken leg, and then the quad injury. He's a speed/shifty receiver who turns 27 this year. Considering the price tag he has now (the Giants did the negotiating for a club with the new deal) the right time to trade him was now. I was hoping to squeeze one more year out of him. But there is the litany of what ifs
- What if he gets hurt again?
- What if he looks at Brown and Jones contract and starts yelling he wants more?
- What if his last 4 game shut down was a further sign of things to come?
- What if he no longer can bring back a 1st, 3rd and starter?
I think Mara is playing nice. I don't think it was that tough of a decision to trade him when you take a step back. This team will be built around Saquon and I'd be willing to bet anyone on here a hamburger that they will draft a QB so their transition plan is in place for 2020 with Eli acting as mentor in 2019.
Jt mentioned the Giants didn't want Odell around a young QB for a variety of reasons. I think all signs point to getting a QB now and by 2020 you have your new Giants offense build around new QB and Saquon and Engram with some veteran leadership in Tate and whomever else they get with their $100M+ in cap room.
The Giants got the most out of Odell's value before it dropped and be in position to help speed up the rebuild.
blind nor stupid. He's just one of many posters who can't get over the fact we didn't draft a QB last year:
Quote:
Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Don't forget Joe Beningo and his rabid bbi Jets fans and their saviour Darnold, who is so far shaping up to be Andy Dalton-esque, with less toughness faux injuries.
Your fervent hatred of Darnold belies your absolute terror that he will be an All-Pro QB. You know this. It's going to be a fun ride.
Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Does the grandson have power of attorney yet?
Is it the grandson who was crying uncontrollably? Over OBJ??? And I thought overreaction about the Giants was bad on BBI.
Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Does the grandson have power of attorney yet?
Is it the grandson who was crying uncontrollably? Over OBJ??? And I thought overreaction about the Giants was bad on BBI.
There is no doubting his talent and I don't think that
any of us on this board or in the NFL saw OBJ coming he
took the league by storm culminating with the most ridiculous
catch on MNF vs the Cowboys .
Now he has had some bad luck with injuries both times very questionable shots with the Browns and the Eagles add
in the slow start to his rookie year with a hamstring .
The antics on the field the BS with Norman most of which I had no problem with . The thing that bothers me is some of the company he keeps the dumb trip to hang with Bieber and
people like Lil Wayne Iggy WTF ever is her name then the hotel room scene are red flags to me . I hope he succeeds
and has a great career but you get the sense at times that
something very negative could happen when you run with the wrong crowd and honestly I do't want him anywhere near
Barkley . I never saw the interview but I agree with the assessment it was in bad taste after a monster payday !
We gave up one of the most valuable non-QB players in the entire league for an unknown #17 overall rookie pick and an average starting safety. The off-the-field and the locker room stuff had a lot to do with it, and by that I really mean the "locker room stuff" AS MARA PERCEIVED IT. I really believe the players loved Odell and admired his work ethic and desire to win, but Mara saw him as insubordinate, crass, and self-entitled due to his old-school mentality about how professional football players are "supposed" to act.
This is horse shit. It is an old school mentality. If you make someone the highest paid receiver in the history of the NFL and a couple months later he goes on ESPN and says the things he said he doesn't want to be here anymore and you get him the fuck out. You don't send them to the place that he wants to be like LA you send them to fucking Cleveland or Buffalo. He is a piece of shit for doing that interview and saying the things he said. Goodbye glad he's gone.
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I don't think that quote is Mark Twain, Blaise Pascal
OK, but five years in and the OL still sucks. By the way, Eli had some pretty good seasons all things comsidered prior to Coughlins departure.
i believe they wanted to make it work and so signed him to the big deal. he started the season openly doubting his QB, his coaches, his team, and ended it sitting out the last 4 games with a leg bruise. in the middle he had some special teams brain farts that cost the giants at least one game. he had to go. it was a terminal case.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
Awful trade. Really really awful
Mara said he thought the Giants got the best deal for OBJ. We have a GM who admits he only talked to 3 teams (Browns,Bills,49ers) about trading him. I'll say what I said the night of the trade-Why the rush 6 weeks before the draft? Maybe it was time to trade him as we don't know the inner workings of the team. But,to not talk to the rest of the league about,arguably,the best WR in the NFL makes no sense unless the edict had been passed down to get rid of OBJ ASAP. And,the Brown trade cannot be used as a comparison,he demanded a trade,Steelers said a divorce was coming & that certainly lowered offers.We had a WR signed to a long term contract,no recent situations w/him & yet our GM talks to only 3 teams because"you don't want to be the one making the call" (WTF). I just will not believe that a better offer might have been made if Gettleman had done his job the right way & exhausted all possibilities!
That, among other reasons, is why he's gone.
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
Jeez if that's true how did the Giants score MORE points without OBJ?
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If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
A shit thing to do the interview I hate how this has become new thing- celebrity interviews or the shop-
On another note everything he said was accurate- so theres that too- the truth pisses off a lot of people most of the time
He was proven wrong in his belief the Giants could contend with Eli the past two seasons, but all this speculation that there was a mandate from him regarding Eli, is just that, speculation.
When you dont like someone no matter what he says you will spin it to fit your narrative, think there is a lot of that going on here.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
That is the the belief here that we did not get enough. However, the market spoke. If there were other teams willing to offer more, then they would have.
The fans here are like homeowners who are trying to sell their houses for more than market value. Always thinking it is worth more than it is. Then, after sitting there with no action they drop the price and finally sell it and STILL think the house was worth more.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
OMG round and round and round we go. For the 80 billionth time... the point is that you cannot possibly assess with any reasonable certainty that was on Eli based on the (utter lack of) competent blocking. You do realize you need at least some modicum of time to actually A) have routes develop and B) actually have time to throw the ball? Maybe? When the blocking takes the meteoric rise to JUST MEDIOCRE (Or hey maybe even slightly better), THEN I will pass my judgement on whether this QB is specifically done or not. I mean, oh so he is so decrepit he can only throw slants now? Geezus that is just so dumb.
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If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
Shouldn't it be a professional courtesy when the content pertains to the team and their players? If Odell was giving an interview based on his preference for shitty pizza with shitty rappers, then no one would care. The interview was a surprise to the team. Even after it was taped and before it aired, Odell had the opportunity to make the team aware. Instead, he knew the content and chose the blind-side option.
Of course Mara will have some smoke about Beckham - he is not going to trash him or throw him under the bus. Of course he will not trash Eli - hell half of BBI shit the bed when Eli benched himself, yes himself.
As far as the trade - how many teams had the money to even think about the trade? How many of those teams needed a WR? How many of those teams were willing to give up a decent haul to take Beckham? How many of you realize that it takes two to tango and that the other team is not just going to completely concede to all of DGs demands. Like arc - I didn't like trading Beckham and almost nothing bothered me except the dog pissing incident. I seriously doubt Beckham told Shurmur to fuck off.
If you want to spend your life trashing Mara? Your right, your privilege. You don't like what he has done? Neither do I sometimes. Fine. But don't act like you know better, because you do not. Think it was an awful trade or they should have traded him to another team offering more? Well go find that other team and let us know who it was. The 49ers? They did not want to trade #2 - end of deal. Bills, they were not even interested. Who else was there? Patriots? You think Belichick was taking on a contract bigger than Brady's and giving up his #1, #2 and more? I think the writers would have known by now - bet Glazer would have been all over it.
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Dave [Gettleman, the Giants GM] and I had a long talk about it. When the Browns made their final offer, I wanted to knowYou and Pat [Shurmur] both want to do this? Youre sure? Youre absolutely sure? I still said I had to think about it. Then I called him back a little bit later.
FMIA: I thought you had to be thinking of Lawrence Taylor, and if your organization could put up with Taylor, surely you could put up with Beckham.
Mara: Theres an old Bill Parcells quote: Lawrence Taylor is the pilot of a burning plane. Somehow he managed to keep the plane from crashing. But we got we had a lot of holes to fill. Getting the first-round pick, getting the third-round pick, getting our fourth back from the [Kevin Zeitler] trade. You can argue whether its comparable value. I felt better about that than about previous offers that had come down the pike. And he was going out of the conference! Out of the division, so it was a reluctant OK.
Of course we want to keep our best players. Listen, I had many conversations with him. He had the stupid penalty in Philadelphia where he lifted his leg in the end zone [in a faux dog-urination scene] and I brought him into my office and I showed him the front page of the New York Post and said, Is this what you want? Is this what you want your legacy to be? He looked at me and he said, Well you know, I just dont understand the celebration rules. I said, Well you know you cant do that!
FMIA: Sounds like youre pretty motivated as a team to build your lines back up in the draft.
Mara: I dont know what were going to dowhether well take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But dont force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I dont want to have to do that, but if we have to, Id rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, Whats the plan? Whats the plan? Were trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? Yeah, were gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster! Its exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that youre defenseless when you lose. Theres nothing you can say. Weve got to build our team, and weve got to win.
Instead of some of the short quips from twitter, the above provides context to what is being asked/answered.
Listen, I had many conversations with him. He had the stupid penalty in Philadelphia where he lifted his leg in the end zone [in a faux dog-urination scene] and I brought him into my office and I showed him the front page of the New York Post and said, Is this what you want? Is this what you want your legacy to be? He looked at me and he said, Well you know, I just dont understand the celebration rules. I said, Well you know you cant do that!
Mara calls him in to talk about it point blank and he says "I don't understand the rules"?
Hopefully for Cleveland's sake Odell wakes up.
Most of the stuff on the side never really bugged me. The TD celebrations were fine if they weren't resulting in penalties.. the kicking net stuff was stupid, but I didn't think much of it.
I agree, and I never cared about off the field stuff especially interviews. This team needed value spread out and this was an opportunity to get there.Even if the Browns with the next 3 Super bowls. It was not happening here if he stayed. Sometimes you just have to move on and clean up your own house.
The ESPN thing was where I kind of started to feel like he was just going to be who he is. I didn't mindlessly defend that - I did say it wasn't a good look and had wished he would have had the mind to realize that before he allowed it to happen. Nothing good comes out of something like that.
I can't speak to the veracity of the other things that came out around the time of the trade. The telling Shurmur to "go fuck" himself or if he was/wasn't physically able to play at the end of the year and elected not to. If those things are true, those are the types of things that do bug me more as a fan.
The timing of those stories made me wonder if they were more designed to get fans on the side of management.. but it's not hard to believe them.
At the end of the day, we're in the position we're in. We have a lot of holes here and trading him allows us to get younger, cheaper and improve elsewhere. We know Peppers can play. Now we have two picks in the first 3 rounds to add two more young players to help.
I thought I'd be more opposed than I actually was when all was said and done. We got a good enough return where I don't feel like we just gave him away. It's also not overblown to cite the games missed and wonder if the durability will be there going forward.
If Beckham goes out there in 2019, gets hurt again, and misses a chunk of games, where does that leave his value?
Just a hunch, but I think down the road, when the smoke clears, it'll wind up having been a smart decision. And that's coming from someone who was a really big fan of the player and was on his side much more often than not.
It's been mediocre. The excuse-making is in the insistence that he "can't be evaluated" until he's got 1 or 2 pro bowlers in front of him.
Don't overdramatize it for effect. He wasn't getting David Carr'd last year. He's played behind worse offensive lines. 2013 and 2017 were pathetic.
I wouldn't call that overdramatizing.
He just needs average.
Now you can write that off as playing "backup QB's" or whatever, but the line stabalized and the offense started scoring.
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frightening that anyone believes Eli can still play at a high level consistently.
How many more years do they need to see before they realize that age has caught up to him just like it does 95% of other QBs. Including his brother.
People act like the Eli is finished guys are taking shots at him. Why is it so wrong to believe a 38 year old is finished being a good player in this league? There have been plenty of guys who have had a better career than Eli that were finished by that age.
It's also frightening that people like you completely write him off when he not only has one of the top 3 worst OL in the league until halfway through last year (and then it became just sub par) but he is also on his second new offensive system in 3 years. the truth is it lies somewhere in between. And we won't know how much in between until we actually take the hyper jump to mediocre + blocking and another year in Shurmur's system. These things matter, believe it or not. The wrong person left the building when Coughlin left. It was probably time for him to go, but so was it time for Jerry Rees and Marc Ross, the two culprits of this shit show. But keep blaming Eli.
The strong contingent of bbi Eli haters are in all likelihood Reese supporter remnants (I dont think there's any Ross supporters) who lives in a fantasy world where our can't find a running game for 10 years roster wasn't complete crap.
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Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Don't forget Joe Beningo and his rabid bbi Jets fans and their saviour Darnold, who is so far shaping up to be Andy Dalton-esque, with less toughness faux injuries.
It's a position that I really could never understand a NYG fan getting to.
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He was proven wrong in his belief the Giants could contend with Eli the past two seasons, but all this speculation that there was a mandate from him regarding Eli, is just that, speculation.
When you dont like someone no matter what he says you will spin it to fit your narrative, think there is a lot of that going on here.
Yes pure speculation by dummies, but there is a defacto mandate by the fans, Eli is NYs greatest recent sports figure behind Jeter. Let's say this, I as a Yankees fan disliked Jeter, and especially his old selfish ass continuing to play SS, but I knew there was nothing to do about it. Imagine if Jeter was replaced by Geno Smith lol?
[quote] wasnt maximizing his ability, that he was making Eli look good by turning 5 yard slants into 60-yard touchdowns. He also thought the coaches didnt do a good job countering the cover 2 scheme opponents have been running for years.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
This!
Is baloney.. I read and watched the interview.. He stated repeatedly the line cant give him time and its frustrating because he wants to go down field more. Both are fair assessments. I understand but Odell is a baby.. He will do really well with Browns until he burns out or implodes. Build the lines WR are not worth the trouble. Even Tyreek Hill.
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This decision will be judged by what Odell does in CLE and what DG gets out of this draft. The Giants will be praised or crucified based on this alone.
We can go back and forth on how good or how bad the deal was, only time will tell.....
As for OBj I am surprised by the number of BBI'ers that are giving more weight to that "interview", than the fact that OBj basically sat himself down for the last 4 games.....he was hurt in the Philly game, the last play.....he played the following week.....there was no indication after that game, that there was a problem, until later in the week....
Re watching highlights of games of the season, Eli left a lot of plays on the field....yes there were times when he "forced" passes to OBj....but also, there quite a few plays where Eli did not look in his direction and he was open, or he just did not throw a good pass to him....
And OBj? He is not without blame either....he made a lot of mistakes this year, especially in that Panther game....
There are a lot of comparisons to LT.....Did the Giants look the other way on many occasion with him? Yes....but LT came to play every game....and his faults were personal, not an open display like OBj was....
I was looking forward to a season of OBj and SB, with a revamped OL......I thought this combination was going to be spectacular if they could avoid the injury bug.....now we will never know.....
But what we do know is, that DG was blowing smoke up our asses, when he said he would never trade OBj, UNLESS HE GOT AN OFFER HE COULDN'T REFUSE! That trade was not one of those offers.....
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That didn't last long.
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Looks like he was posting all weekend.... so much for his self imposed 'going dark' on social media...
Sorry, not sorry... not gonna miss all the 'look at me' shit
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If it was so "harmless", then why did the team fine him and make him apologize to the team? He did the interview without telling anyone in the organization that he was doing it. It was all about him and that is how it will always be with him.
Do the Giants have a policy where every interview has to be run by the team and approved?
If they don't then they are incompetent as a business org. Every business and every team*should* have such a policy.
Can you argue any of those points? Our former generational WR said Eli wasnt good enough, but the fans know better than the guy running the routes? Listen, he isnt here because he couldnt play nice with Eli.
At the end of the day, I am not upset over Eli, he WAS a distraction, just thwt we didnt get enough for him. AND, I dont begrudge Mara being sentimental and wanting to give Eli a ride into the sunset. BUT, dont chide us for not believing in the team and how its being run. Does he know the records the last 2 years? Has he been in a coma since 2012? You cant be a boss and try to be a nice guy, not hold anyone responsible and not own up to your mistakes. Same as the fans. Its okay you want to toe the company line, but ultimately you/we are the ones rooting for a lousy team year after year.
I think one counterargument is that by every account I've read, he really really liked Jerry Reese and he really really liked Tom Coughlin. But one of them he fired within t the season, which has got to be about the most humiliating thing you could do to a person. And, in the years he fired both, he gave locker room talks and press conferences where he was visually pissed about the records.
So, I would gather he really does, despite your disbelief, know the team's records over, not only the last 2 seasons, but every single one since he's been alive. He's lived and had experience with tough breakups, and has always come out of them as a business man, doing what businessmen do.
I mean a straight up "DG - I done dealing with the Odell stuff - deal him." or "Eli is the cornerstone of this franchise - don't sit him ever head coach." or "go sign a WR to replace OBJ."
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For the 80 billionth time... the point is that you cannot possibly assess with any reasonable certainty that was on Eli based on the (utter lack of) competent blocking. You do realize you need at least some modicum of time to actually A) have routes develop and B) actually have time to throw the ball? Maybe? When the blocking takes the meteoric rise to JUST MEDIOCRE (Or hey maybe even slightly better), THEN I will pass my judgement on whether this QB is specifically done or not. I mean, oh so he is so decrepit he can only throw slants now? Geezus that is just so dumb.
It's been mediocre. The excuse-making is in the insistence that he "can't be evaluated" until he's got 1 or 2 pro bowlers in front of him.
Don't overdramatize it for effect. He wasn't getting David Carr'd last year. He's played behind worse offensive lines. 2013 and 2017 were pathetic.
It has been mediocre? When? In 2011? Last year before the bye Eli was sacked 30 plus times... AND the average first contact from defenses on our RBs was .17 yards on average. (That's 6 INCHES on first contact). Explain to me on what planet that qualifies as "mediocre".
But I think the Giants pulled the trigger on an Odell trade at the right time. Gettleman made a comment that I thought was a good one in his media tour last week. He said the price for putting a franchise tag on a player is 2 #1 picks and the last one to actually get it done was Sean Gilbert. Where (amazingly) the Redskins benefitted from someone else's stupid decision when the Panthers signed him and gave up 2 first rounders.
So realistically, when talking about acquiring a veteran player in a trade. The realistic asking price is a first rounder, a 2/3rd, and a player. That's a strong package to get back. I think the Giants did try to pry the 2nd overall from the Niners, but they wouldn't budge. So getting back a 1st, a 3rd (I wish they'd have gotten the better 3rd, but whatever) and Peppers (a young safety who was a first round talent) is actually a good package in reality. And I'm of the opinion the Giants will stay at 6 and draft and will use the #17 as a pivot spot to move up as another player slips past 10 and will package their other later picks to move up and grab someone.
However, all of this is predicated on the following assumption. This wasn't going to end well with Odell. Period. I think Antonio Brown opened the Giants eyes. Look at the contract that is being discussed now with Julio Jones at age 30. Odell is a volatile asset. But one which the past couple of years we've seen him go down with an ankle injury followed by a broken leg, and then the quad injury. He's a speed/shifty receiver who turns 27 this year. Considering the price tag he has now (the Giants did the negotiating for a club with the new deal) the right time to trade him was now. I was hoping to squeeze one more year out of him. But there is the litany of what ifs
- What if he gets hurt again?
- What if he looks at Brown and Jones contract and starts yelling he wants more?
- What if his last 4 game shut down was a further sign of things to come?
- What if he no longer can bring back a 1st, 3rd and starter?
I think Mara is playing nice. I don't think it was that tough of a decision to trade him when you take a step back. This team will be built around Saquon and I'd be willing to bet anyone on here a hamburger that they will draft a QB so their transition plan is in place for 2020 with Eli acting as mentor in 2019.
Jt mentioned the Giants didn't want Odell around a young QB for a variety of reasons. I think all signs point to getting a QB now and by 2020 you have your new Giants offense build around new QB and Saquon and Engram with some veteran leadership in Tate and whomever else they get with their $100M+ in cap room.
The Giants got the most out of Odell's value before it dropped and be in position to help speed up the rebuild.
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blind nor stupid. He's just one of many posters who can't get over the fact we didn't draft a QB last year:
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Frankly, I am not sure which one it is with you any more, you are either blind or stupid
the effect on the board? Daily takes about how we are "stuck" with a shitty QB while several teams upgraded the position last year. You know, guys like Buffalo and Arizona who both already have whispers about not being happy with the guys they picked!!
He isn't blind nor stupid - but pretty fucking insufferable.
Don't forget Joe Beningo and his rabid bbi Jets fans and their saviour Darnold, who is so far shaping up to be Andy Dalton-esque, with less toughness faux injuries.
Your fervent hatred of Darnold belies your absolute terror that he will be an All-Pro QB. You know this. It's going to be a fun ride.
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Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Does the grandson have power of attorney yet?
Is it the grandson who was crying uncontrollably? Over OBJ??? And I thought overreaction about the Giants was bad on BBI.
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Speaking to reporters at the owner meetings, #Giants owner John Mara says one of his grandchildren has not spoken to him since he approved the Odell Beckham Jr trade.
Does the grandson have power of attorney yet?
Is it the grandson who was crying uncontrollably? Over OBJ??? And I thought overreaction about the Giants was bad on BBI.
Well.. they are 7, so...
any of us on this board or in the NFL saw OBJ coming he
took the league by storm culminating with the most ridiculous
catch on MNF vs the Cowboys .
Now he has had some bad luck with injuries both times very questionable shots with the Browns and the Eagles add
in the slow start to his rookie year with a hamstring .
The antics on the field the BS with Norman most of which I had no problem with . The thing that bothers me is some of the company he keeps the dumb trip to hang with Bieber and
people like Lil Wayne Iggy WTF ever is her name then the hotel room scene are red flags to me . I hope he succeeds
and has a great career but you get the sense at times that
something very negative could happen when you run with the wrong crowd and honestly I do't want him anywhere near
Barkley . I never saw the interview but I agree with the assessment it was in bad taste after a monster payday !