“We are not going to get into, we like this player at number six (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at number 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
Would we love to have a QB coming out of this draft, yes, but only if we have a conviction about it. We are not there yet. Until they bring these guys in, put them on the board, put the final grades up, we are a long way away from that.” |
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And I'm not sure he and DG are on the same page right now.
I wonder if that is what Mara was referring to, but he tried to be too cute by half in his answer.
I get that football owners are billionaires who are not accustomed to being questioned, but this attitude where he gets riled up at questioning when this team has been a dumpster fire for six years is pathetic whining.
Fair enough, but are the fans and media not also arrogant to think they know better than professionals?
Then the Yankees won a whole bunch of World Series', and lo and behold I didn't hate him at all, in fact I grew to love the guy.
So I'm just not going to get bent out of shape over John Mara.
so all we need is for Mara to be suspended by the commissioner and go away for a couple of years?
This 2x he can't just not say anything he can't help but put
himself front and center and say it's up to the GM coaches scouts ect .
Agree, he clarified that by saying they won't force a pick for a QB if the value isn't there. He's not giving away trade secrets that the Giants will look for a QB if he makes sense when his current QB is 38 years old, entering his 16th year, and is in the last year of his contract.
My gut is that the Giants will take a defender at 6 and will trade up from 17 for Haskins/Lock/Jones if they start to slip beyond 10.
What I take from this is Mara and the Giants organization learned from the public relations shit show of Eli's benching for Geno Smith. McAdoo and Reese paid for it with their jobs. After trading Odell, the Giants will want to start to prep the fan base that, yes, they will move on from Eli. So when they pick a QB, they will be clear that Eli is the man and they are grooming his replacement.
And I'm sure Mara learned his own lessons for when Simms was kicked to the curb and will want to handle it differently with Eli.
This is a perfect example of that. He didn't really say much of anything. But it stirs shit up for no gain.
Let your GM and coach be the face of the office.
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“I don’t know what we’re going to do—whether we’ll take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But don’t force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I don’t want to have to do that, but if we have to, I’d rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, ‘What’s the plan? What’s the plan?’ We’re trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? ‘Yeah, we’re gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster!’ It’s exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that you’re defenseless when you lose. There’s nothing you can say. We’ve got to build our team, and we’ve got to win.”
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"I don't know why ___blank is an issue with the media or the fans"
I get that football owners are billionaires who are not accustomed to being questioned, but this attitude where he gets riled up at questioning when this team has been a dumpster fire for six years is pathetic whining.
Fair enough, but are the fans and media not also arrogant to think they know better than professionals?
None of us are potential replacements for John Mara, so I don't think an upset fanbase counts as arrogance in this case. The Giants as a franchise have gotten a lot of gimmie seasons considering they're six years removed from being a good football team. It's not like Mara has had to endure the kind of negativity and spotlight the Knicks and Dolan have to eat.
When you're this bad for so long, why wouldn't the paying customers start to question the people in charge? Especially when John Mara politely a cash advance on your tickets every year.
2. The single biggest team building advantage is to have a QB on his rookie contract. Drafting a QB to sit him behind Eli throws away a year of that advantage. The supposed "Kansas City model" is being looked at the wrong way by Gettleman. Instead of looking at how KC performed in 2018 with Mahomes, he should be wondering what KC would have looked like in 2017 with Mahomes starting instead of Smith and his $16.9M cap hit.
For a sense of what a rookie QB contract can do for you, consider how the Chiefs and Giants each spent $22M in 2018:
Giants - Eli Manning
Chiefs - Mahomes, Kelce, & Mitchell Schwartz (3 1st team All-Pros)
The Giants have committed to Eli for 2019. Go get the QB in 2020. The value of having Eli as a mentor is dubious on its own; it certainly doesn't measure up to a year of a QB in his rookie deal.
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“I don’t know what we’re going to do—whether we’ll take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But don’t force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I don’t want to have to do that, but if we have to, I’d rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, ‘What’s the plan? What’s the plan?’ We’re trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? ‘Yeah, we’re gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster!’ It’s exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that you’re defenseless when you lose. There’s nothing you can say. We’ve got to build our team, and we’ve got to win.”
Did you read the link? Because Mara also said this:
“We are not going to get into, we like this player at No. 6 (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at No. 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
SO which is it, John?
I get that football owners are billionaires who are not accustomed to being questioned, but this attitude where he gets riled up at questioning when this team has been a dumpster fire for six years is pathetic whining.
Try answering the same question over and over and over again. Then repeat that process. Then have people reload and rephrase the same question over and over and over again. Then repeat that process all over again. Then tell me you wouldn’t sound frustrated when answering that same question over and over again.
Yeah because that would go over well.
I feel like it has become the new buzzphrase here over the last couple of months. To the point where it just kind of makes me chuckle now. The daily insistence on needing to know THE PLAN.
Would you have given him a second thought?
I feel like it has become the new buzzphrase here over the last couple of months. To the point where it just kind of makes me chuckle now. The daily insistence on needing to know THE PLAN.
This says to me they are trading for Rosen
I will listen to what Gettleman or Shurmur say, but like most of you said, Mara could eff up a wet dream in his interviews/pressers. So why lend it credence?
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“I don’t know what we’re going to do—whether we’ll take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But don’t force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I don’t want to have to do that, but if we have to, I’d rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, ‘What’s the plan? What’s the plan?’ We’re trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? ‘Yeah, we’re gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster!’ It’s exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that you’re defenseless when you lose. There’s nothing you can say. We’ve got to build our team, and we’ve got to win.”
Did you read the link? Because Mara also said this:
“We are not going to get into, we like this player at No. 6 (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at No. 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
SO which is it, John?
Yes I read the link -- but I cannot for the life of me find that quote reported by or from any reliable reporter that was there. That quote begins with that article, written by a reporter that was not there, and has itself become the source of those words wherever they appear. The author of that article does not source the quote, which on its own is bad reporting, and given that he doesn't source it, and it exists nowhere but in the author's secondhand words, it may not be an accurate representation/quote of what Mara actually said.
Nevertheless I still take issue with what you and the author attribute it to mean -- because taken on the whole -- Mara's comments seem to stand for the proposition that they haven't made up there minds about anything -- but are going to look at everything and do what's best for the Giants.
What the fluk is wrong with that?
Did you read the link? Because Mara also said this:
“We are not going to get into, we like this player at No. 6 (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at No. 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
SO which is it, John?
Yes I read the link -- but I cannot for the life of me find that quote reported by or from any reliable reporter that was there. That quote begins with that article, written by a reporter that was not there, and has itself become the source of those words wherever they appear. The author of that article does not source the quote, which on its own is bad reporting, and given that he doesn't source it, and it exists nowhere but in the author's secondhand words, it may not be an accurate representation/quote of what Mara actually said.
Nevertheless I still take issue with what you and the author attribute it to mean -- because taken on the whole -- Mara's comments seem to stand for the proposition that they haven't made up there minds about anything -- but are going to look at everything and do what's best for the Giants.
What the fluk is wrong with that?
So you are saying Dan Benton and his editor are making up the quote? A quote they felt so comfortable with they even put it in the headline...?
That's an interesting claim to lodge...
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Did you read the link? Because Mara also said this:
“We are not going to get into, we like this player at No. 6 (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at No. 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
SO which is it, John?
Yes I read the link -- but I cannot for the life of me find that quote reported by or from any reliable reporter that was there. That quote begins with that article, written by a reporter that was not there, and has itself become the source of those words wherever they appear. The author of that article does not source the quote, which on its own is bad reporting, and given that he doesn't source it, and it exists nowhere but in the author's secondhand words, it may not be an accurate representation/quote of what Mara actually said.
Nevertheless I still take issue with what you and the author attribute it to mean -- because taken on the whole -- Mara's comments seem to stand for the proposition that they haven't made up there minds about anything -- but are going to look at everything and do what's best for the Giants.
What the fluk is wrong with that?
So you are saying Dan Benton and his editor are making up the quote? A quote they felt so comfortable with they even put it in the headline...?
That's an interesting claim to lodge...
It’s a little strange it hasn’t been reported anywhere else. I figured writers would be all over this.
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“I don’t know what we’re going to do—whether we’ll take a quarterback or not. My response is show me what the grades are. But don’t force a pick. The worst thing we can do is force it. If we have to wait another year, I don’t want to have to do that, but if we have to, I’d rather do that than force it. This thing now about everyone asking, ‘What’s the plan? What’s the plan?’ We’re trying to build the roster! What do you want me to tell you? ‘Yeah, we’re gonna take a quarterback at six? The plan is to build the roster!’ It’s exasperating. But I learned a long time ago that you’re defenseless when you lose. There’s nothing you can say. We’ve got to build our team, and we’ve got to win.”
Did you read the link? Because Mara also said this:
“We are not going to get into, we like this player at No. 6 (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at No. 17,” Mara said. “Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan.”
SO which is it, John?
Yes I read the link -- but I cannot for the life of me find that quote reported by or from any reliable reporter that was there. That quote begins with that article, written by a reporter that was not there, and has itself become the source of those words wherever they appear. The author of that article does not source the quote, which on its own is bad reporting, and given that he doesn't source it, and it exists nowhere but in the author's secondhand words, it may not be an accurate representation/quote of what Mara actually said.
Nevertheless I still take issue with what you and the author attribute it to mean -- because taken on the whole -- Mara's comments seem to stand for the proposition that they haven't made up there minds about anything -- but are going to look at everything and do what's best for the Giants.
What the fluk is wrong with that?
gidiefor I found another reported reference to the Mara quote, don't know how accurate it is:
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And I'm not sure he and DG are on the same page right now.
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"I don't know why ___blank is an issue with the media or the fans"
I get that football owners are billionaires who are not accustomed to being questioned, but this attitude where he gets riled up at questioning when this team has been a dumpster fire for six years is pathetic whining.
Try answering the same question over and over and over again. Then repeat that process. Then have people reload and rephrase the same question over and over and over again. Then repeat that process all over again. Then tell me you wouldn’t sound frustrated when answering that same question over and over again.
John Mara doesn't do media nearly enough to be that uptight about it. Players and coaches deal with it every day and do a better job with it.
I am not sure Haskins is worth trading up for. Murray looks like he will be a star. To trade up from 6 to 3 will be expensive. I will cost 6th pick, 2nd round pick and probably another pick because there will be multiple bidders. Raiders may out bid the giants to swap up from 4th too. So it may not be getable.
I think he is Patrick Mahomes with mobility.
2. The single biggest team building advantage is to have a QB on his rookie contract. Drafting a QB to sit him behind Eli throws away a year of that advantage. The supposed "Kansas City model" is being looked at the wrong way by Gettleman. Instead of looking at how KC performed in 2018 with Mahomes, he should be wondering what KC would have looked like in 2017 with Mahomes starting instead of Smith and his $16.9M cap hit.
For a sense of what a rookie QB contract can do for you, consider how the Chiefs and Giants each spent $22M in 2018:
Giants - Eli Manning
Chiefs - Mahomes, Kelce, & Mitchell Schwartz (3 1st team All-Pros)
The Giants have committed to Eli for 2019. Go get the QB in 2020. The value of having Eli as a mentor is dubious on its own; it certainly doesn't measure up to a year of a QB in his rookie deal.
Jesus, it's as plain as can be that GM Jr. is the GM now.
gidiefor I found another reported reference to the Mara quote, don't know how accurate it is:
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“I love that question,” Mara said at the NFL Owners Meetings, via Giants.com. “The plan is build a team and make it better. We are not going to get into, we like this player at number six (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at number 17. Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan."
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yes - thank you - that is helpful -- and what also helpful is context because after he said that he said this according to that link:
"I would like to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Here is the thing. Show me what the grades are and what the value is. If the top QB’s are graded toward the bottom of the first round or in the second round, I am not going to insist that we take one at number six or number 17. Show me what the value is. That has always been our philosophy on that. The worst thing we can do is force the situation and you end up with a QB that is not worth that particular spot. Would we love to have a QB coming out of this draft, yes, but only if we have a conviction about it. We are not there yet. Until they bring these guys in, put them on the board, put the final grades up, we are a long way away from that.”
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gidiefor I found another reported reference to the Mara quote, don't know how accurate it is:
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“I love that question,” Mara said at the NFL Owners Meetings, via Giants.com. “The plan is build a team and make it better. We are not going to get into, we like this player at number six (in the first round of the NFL Draft) and these two at number 17. Yes, we are definitely going to address the quarterback in this draft. The plan is to build a team and make it better. I don’t know why that is such an issue with you guys or with fans. That is the plan."
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yes - thank you - that is helpful -- and what also helpful is context because after he said that he said this according to that link:
"I would like to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Here is the thing. Show me what the grades are and what the value is. If the top QB’s are graded toward the bottom of the first round or in the second round, I am not going to insist that we take one at number six or number 17. Show me what the value is. That has always been our philosophy on that. The worst thing we can do is force the situation and you end up with a QB that is not worth that particular spot. Would we love to have a QB coming out of this draft, yes, but only if we have a conviction about it. We are not there yet. Until they bring these guys in, put them on the board, put the final grades up, we are a long way away from that.”
So, in a nutshell the OP is a bunch of BS