Haskins vs Darnold

He lucked out by now having Bell as his RB, so he should by addition, be more effective.

But you can put very little stock in first year play. Anyone who remembers ELi's first year will remember for much of it he looked like a poor man's Kyle Lauletta. He turned out ok.

From my vantage point he was clearly among the best from a prototypical tools standpoint but he had 1 weakness that seems more glaring that anyone this year - turnovers.

He had 13 INT's and 12 fumbles (9 lost) his final year at USC (14 games). In his college career he played in 27 college games and had 21 fumbles and 22 ints. In 13 games as a Jet he had 20 turnovers (15 int / 5 fumbles).

By comparison, QB Drew lock started 50 college games and had just 8 lost fumbles. Daniel Jones started 36 games and lost 13. Haskins lost 2 this year and 2 the year prior. Expanding to Fromm, through 2 years & 29 games he's only lost 3. Each also had fewer INT's in their final season.

I don't know if any of these guys will have more of a consensus in the room and get selected to be the next giants QB, but I can understand why there was some pause at the thought of bypassing a unique talent like Barkley for Darnold.

Haskins much higher than Darnold.

But I'm not an evaluator and I'm doing it solely based on the fact that Darnold is playing for green-clad schmucks

Thanks forgot about Darnold's turnover issues.

In terms of athletic ability Darnold is better but Haskins arm strength and talent is better Darnold.

They both have very good arm talent. In fact, I think Haskins might have more.

They both are good at throwing on off-platforms.

What impressed me about Darnold was his competitiveness. He would play his best football when he was under tremendous duress. The Ohio State game was one in which they beat the crap out of Darnold (and USC), and Darnold kept giving them all they wanted, even late when the game was decided, he was still playing to win.

I think Darnold's mobility is better. And when I'm talking about mobility I really mean escapability to extend plays and make accurate passes on broken plays.

I don't have enough film to watch Haskins in that regard. And his teammates were so much better than everyone else, I rarely see him under duress. I don't see him have to throw into many tight windows because his receivers were so much better than their opponents.

I'm really impressed with Haskins' arm and his accuracy. He makes good throws even flat flooted. I just don't have enough on him to watch him escape a collapsing pocket and make positive plays with his arm like I have with Darnold. And I'm not saying that tape isn't out there, it's harder for me to see it this year because of the collapse of the DraftBreakdown website.

BTW, Darnold got better as the season went along, I think the Jets are going to be pleased with him as their QB.

And I was impressed with him as a rookie as well. Yes, he made some mistakes trying to do too much from time to time.
Do you blame him? He was the youngest QB ever to start an NFL game playing in a talentless offense under a coaching staff that was in over their head. Expect huge improvement from him this year.

but the Jets seriously need to fix that offensive line and get him a true #1 WR. Adding an aging declining Osemele will not fix the line.

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but the Jets seriously need to fix that offensive line and get him a true #1 WR. Adding an aging declining Osemele will not fix the line.

True, but Bell, if he hasn’t lost much, will be enormous for him, imv

a more athletic Eli to me due to the high number of TOs. And after his rookie season I still feel that way. He's going to have games where you go "wow, he's definitely an elite QB!" and others where you just shake your head. Who knows if Darnold has the "it" factor and if he'll be able to put together a hot streak (or two) and help carry a team to the SB.

Not really sure what a good comp is for Haskins yet.

Darnold.

Better athlete, can make plays on the move, better arm, and a higher floor.

Darnold by Alot.

In comment 14355968 bw in dc said:

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Darnold. Better athlete, can make plays on the move, better arm, and a higher floor.

He might be a slightly better athlete but Haskins has received a bum rap regarding his athleticism. He wont win any races but he is really good at manipulating the pocket and keeping his eyes down field. Looks like Roethlisberger in that regard.

As far as arm talent, I totally disagree - I think Haskins is better in terms of velocity and accuracy. He also has a much quicker delivery and has much better ball security.

Against Michigan, I saw him carve up a very good defense.

Against Penn State, I saw his get rattled early by a lot of pressure, but then calmed down and dominated down the stretch.

Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory



He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops)

16/24 170 1td 1int
24/38 253 2td 0int
24/35 341 3td 0int
16/28 167 0td 0int

Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league

The biggest knock that comes up most often in regards to Haskins is a lack of experience. "He only has one year as a starter." If he were to go back to OSU and have a solid second season, not even on par with what he did this past season, there would be no argument about him being a top 3 pick. He has all the tools, is a prototypical drop back, pocket QB, but people want to see more of a track record.

The reason it is an interesting comparison, is that Sam Darnold is the perfect example of why this line of thinking is flawed. Darnold had a stellar 1st year with USC, and heading into his sophomore season, it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be the big prize come draft day. His second season ended up being a disappointment, his completion percentage was down and turnovers were way up. He didn't live up to the lofty expectations placed on him, and it didn't matter! He was still considered the top QB prospect by many, and ended up being a top 3 pick.

So why do we need the extra year out of Haskins to solidify his place at the top of the draft? Unless he completely shit the bed in year 2, the opinion of him isn't going to change. Scouts and evaluators would still look at his stellar 2018 season, and grade him as a top QB prospect based on that just as they did with Darnold.

Surprised at the good vibes around Darnold.

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He lucked out by now having Bell as his RB, so he should by addition, be more effective.

Santonio Holmes 2.0. Somebody get me my popcorn.

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In comment 14355862 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: He lucked out by now having Bell as his RB, so he should by addition, be more effective. Santonio Holmes 2.0. Somebody get me my popcorn.

Get ready for a very frustrating next 15 years

In comment 14356007 Mike in NJ said:

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The biggest knock that comes up most often in regards to Haskins is a lack of experience. "He only has one year as a starter." If he were to go back to OSU and have a solid second season, not even on par with what he did this past season, there would be no argument about him being a top 3 pick. He has all the tools, is a prototypical drop back, pocket QB, but people want to see more of a track record. The reason it is an interesting comparison, is that Sam Darnold is the perfect example of why this line of thinking is flawed. Darnold had a stellar 1st year with USC, and heading into his sophomore season, it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be the big prize come draft day. His second season ended up being a disappointment, his completion percentage was down and turnovers were way up. He didn't live up to the lofty expectations placed on him, and it didn't matter! He was still considered the top QB prospect by many, and ended up being a top 3 pick. So why do we need the extra year out of Haskins to solidify his place at the top of the draft? Unless he completely shit the bed in year 2, the opinion of him isn't going to change. Scouts and evaluators would still look at his stellar 2018 season, and grade him as a top QB prospect based on that just as they did with Darnold.

I think that's the wrong takeaway. Darnold was clearly knocked off the top QB spot bc of his 2nd year. That's not insignificant - and seeing how Mayfield performed it turned about to be an important data point.

I don't know if Haskins or Murray would be in the category with Darnold where a down senior year just slides them back slightly or into more of a major fall off. There are a ton of guys who have had the the latter happen to them. But either way I think as evidenced with Darnold/Mayfield, there would be an important data point.

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Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory

That's comical, interestingly Haskins grade from NFL.com put him second among last years class, but you know better.

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He might be a slightly better athlete but Haskins has received a bum rap regarding his athleticism. He wont win any races but he is really good at manipulating the pocket and keeping his eyes down field. Looks like Roethlisberger in that regard. As far as arm talent, I totally disagree - I think Haskins is better in terms of velocity and accuracy. He also has a much quicker delivery and has much better ball security.

Did you see Darnold's last year at SC? His OL was a real mess and he was constantly dealing with an inconsistent pocket. And that really got exposed in their bowl game against Ohio State.

But Darnold showed some wonderful athleticism keeping plays alive and making plays on the move. Haskins isn't a statue and can be nimble. But there isn't enough evidence to convince me he's in Darnold's class on this.

You certainly raise a good point about ball security. I need to see how Darnold did this year with fumbles. That number escapes me.

In comment 14355886 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Haskins much higher than Darnold. But I'm not an evaluator and I'm doing it solely based on the fact that Darnold is playing for green-clad schmucks

That is the best evaluation I have ever read!

I actually laughed out loud.

and could be great...but you are cherry picking stats.

If you want to boil his rookie year down to 3 games, why not the 3 games before the injury where he completed 47% of his passes threw 2 TDs and 7 interceptions with two of those games having a passer rating below 35?

Or how about that he threw 13 picks in 2017 for USC good for most in the conference and 10th most in the entire country. Add 9 fumbles to that and you are approaching Jameis Winston ball security issues.

See how easy it is to cherry pick to prove a point?

In comment 14356022 fanofthejets said:

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In comment 14356021 Coach Red Beaulieu said: Quote: In comment 14355862 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: He lucked out by now having Bell as his RB, so he should by addition, be more effective. Santonio Holmes 2.0. Somebody get me my popcorn. Get ready for a very frustrating next 15 years

Hey shithead don't you have anything better to do than post your idiotic Jets nonsense on a Giants site. As you can see nobody gives a shit about your biased opinions. If you think this years Haskins would have been drafted on day two last year then you really are a fucking moron. Chris Carter was just talking about Haskins the other day and said he has a rare "special" arm. I trust his opinion over some Jets fan who probably hasn't even seen Haskins play in a real game. Go enjoy the Jets offseason because that will be the highlight of their year.

In comment 14355917 allstarjim said:

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They both have very good arm talent. In fact, I think Haskins might have more. They both are good at throwing on off-platforms. What impressed me about Darnold was his competitiveness. He would play his best football when he was under tremendous duress. The Ohio State game was one in which they beat the crap out of Darnold (and USC), and Darnold kept giving them all they wanted, even late when the game was decided, he was still playing to win. I think Darnold's mobility is better. And when I'm talking about mobility I really mean escapability to extend plays and make accurate passes on broken plays. I don't have enough film to watch Haskins in that regard. And his teammates were so much better than everyone else, I rarely see him under duress. I don't see him have to throw into many tight windows because his receivers were so much better than their opponents. I'm really impressed with Haskins' arm and his accuracy. He makes good throws even flat flooted. I just don't have enough on him to watch him escape a collapsing pocket and make positive plays with his arm like I have with Darnold. And I'm not saying that tape isn't out there, it's harder for me to see it this year because of the collapse of the DraftBreakdown website. BTW, Darnold got better as the season went along, I think the Jets are going to be pleased with him as their QB.

Agree that Darnold is going to be a real good one. If it weren't for Barkley id be pretty pissed we didnt get Darnold. Now we are again in position to get a franchise QB. To get Barkley and a franchise QB in consecutive drafts would be pretty amazing.

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In comment 14356003 fanofthejets said: Quote: Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory That's comical, interestingly Haskins grade from NFL.com put him second among last years class, but you know better.

He has a complex scouting formula. Not a Jet = journeyman, Jet = surefire all-pro.

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and could be great...but you are cherry picking stats. If you want to boil his rookie year down to 3 games, why not the 3 games before the injury where he completed 47% of his passes threw 2 TDs and 7 interceptions with two of those games having a passer rating below 35? Or how about that he threw 13 picks in 2017 for USC good for most in the conference and 10th most in the entire country. Add 9 fumbles to that and you are approaching Jameis Winston ball security issues. See how easy it is to cherry pick to prove a point?

Is this to me? I didn't refer to any stats to cherry pick...

“In terms of grades — the grade I had on them coming out (of college) and not what they’ve done (since) — I had Darnold with the highest grade, then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield,” said Jeremiah, a former college quarterback and college scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens.

“Then I gave the same grade to Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. They would be tied for No. 4. Then Haskins would be behind them and Jackson would be behind him. That would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year’s class based purely off the grade.”

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/02/nfl-combine-2019-an-evaluation-that-should-terrify-giants-on-path-to-qb-hell-dwayne-haskins-vs-2018-nfl-draft-qbs.html

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Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops) 16/24 170 1td 1int 24/38 253 2td 0int 24/35 341 3td 0int 16/28 167 0td 0int Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league

No bias at all there, right?

Why do you continue to come back here? Did every Jets board run you off already? Maybe everyone needs to be reminded that your views on humanity are as misguided as your choice of your preferred NFL team.

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“In terms of grades — the grade I had on them coming out (of college) and not what they’ve done (since) — I had Darnold with the highest grade, then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield,” said Jeremiah, a former college quarterback and college scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens. “Then I gave the same grade to Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. They would be tied for No. 4. Then Haskins would be behind them and Jackson would be behind him. That would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year’s class based purely off the grade.” https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/02/nfl-combine-2019-an-evaluation-that-should-terrify-giants-on-path-to-qb-hell-dwayne-haskins-vs-2018-nfl-draft-qbs.html

Go away.

Darnold is 10x >>> Haskins but a friend of mind recently said Haskins reminds him of Darnold which I did not get at all...

In comment 14356069 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14356003 fanofthejets said: Quote: Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops) 16/24 170 1td 1int 24/38 253 2td 0int 24/35 341 3td 0int 16/28 167 0td 0int Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league No bias at all there, right? Why do you continue to come back here? Did every Jets board run you off already? Maybe everyone needs to be reminded that your views on humanity are as misguided as your choice of your preferred NFL team.

I have entirely conventional views on humanity.

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“In terms of grades — the grade I had on them coming out (of college) and not what they’ve done (since) — I had Darnold with the highest grade, then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield,” said Jeremiah, a former college quarterback and college scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens. “Then I gave the same grade to Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. They would be tied for No. 4. Then Haskins would be behind them and Jackson would be behind him. That would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year’s class based purely off the grade.” https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/02/nfl-combine-2019-an-evaluation-that-should-terrify-giants-on-path-to-qb-hell-dwayne-haskins-vs-2018-nfl-draft-qbs.html

It's one guy, and I just gave you an alternative viewpoint that has them ordered differently. We could go round and round all day posting alternative views of the quarterbacks.

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“In terms of grades — the grade I had on them coming out (of college) and not what they’ve done (since) — I had Darnold with the highest grade, then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield,” said Jeremiah, a former college quarterback and college scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens. “Then I gave the same grade to Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. They would be tied for No. 4. Then Haskins would be behind them and Jackson would be behind him. That would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year’s class based purely off the grade.” https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/02/nfl-combine-2019-an-evaluation-that-should-terrify-giants-on-path-to-qb-hell-dwayne-haskins-vs-2018-nfl-draft-qbs.html

Stop cherry picking things. Just like you cherry picked the 3 games after his injury. Why did you not pick the 3 games before the injury? The three games where he played AWFUL!

You are picking the Jeremiah grades because they suit your argument - no other reason.

Now that that's been addressed. Here's Ian Wharton's charting of QB's in 2018 and 2019. Ordered by accuracy past the line of scrimmage. Colors are quartiles and in order: green, yellow, orange, red.

Link - ( New Window )

In comment 14356065 fanofthejets said:

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“In terms of grades — the grade I had on them coming out (of college) and not what they’ve done (since) — I had Darnold with the highest grade, then it was Rosen, then it was Mayfield,” said Jeremiah, a former college quarterback and college scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens. “Then I gave the same grade to Allen as my fourth quarterback last year as I gave to Kyler Murray this year. They would be tied for No. 4. Then Haskins would be behind them and Jackson would be behind him. That would be the order I have stacking those guys in with last year’s class based purely off the grade.” https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/02/nfl-combine-2019-an-evaluation-that-should-terrify-giants-on-path-to-qb-hell-dwayne-haskins-vs-2018-nfl-draft-qbs.html

So you say that Haskins would go around "Mason Rudolph territory" who was drafted in round 3 then post one mans opinion who ranks Haskins ahead of Lamar Jackson who went in round 1.

In comment 14356069 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14356003 fanofthejets said: Quote: Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops) 16/24 170 1td 1int 24/38 253 2td 0int 24/35 341 3td 0int 16/28 167 0td 0int Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league No bias at all there, right? Why do you continue to come back here? Did every Jets board run you off already? Maybe everyone needs to be reminded that your views on humanity are as misguided as your choice of your preferred NFL team.

I'm pretty objective when it comes to QB's. You won't find a bigger fan of Eli Manning. I'd put Eli in the Hall of Fame. I HATED Sanchez and Geno Smith from the getgo and was proven right on both. I still remember reading the below scouting report on Geno and just having it resonate...it was all that I suspected of the guy. Idzik's selection of him was a braindead choice

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/4/3/4178418/geno-smith-scouting-report-from-pfw-is-scathing

overall with Darnold I've seen a lot of extremely advanced stuff, under incredible duress too. And he has great intelligence and the work ethic. Hard to not see him working out.

In comment 14356102 fanofthejets said:

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In comment 14356069 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14356003 fanofthejets said: Quote: Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops) 16/24 170 1td 1int 24/38 253 2td 0int 24/35 341 3td 0int 16/28 167 0td 0int Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league No bias at all there, right? Why do you continue to come back here? Did every Jets board run you off already? Maybe everyone needs to be reminded that your views on humanity are as misguided as your choice of your preferred NFL team. I'm pretty objective when it comes to QB's. You won't find a bigger fan of Eli Manning. I'd put Eli in the Hall of Fame. I HATED Sanchez and Geno Smith from the getgo and was proven right on both. I still remember reading the below scouting report on Geno and just having it resonate...it was all that I suspected of the guy. Idzik's selection of him was a braindead choice https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/4/3/4178418/geno-smith-scouting-report-from-pfw-is-scathing overall with Darnold I've seen a lot of extremely advanced stuff, under incredible duress too. And he has great intelligence and the work ethic. Hard to not see him working out.

I think nobody questions Darnold's ability as a player, I said going into draft I would have been ok with Giants taking either Barkely or Darnold. I think your comparison of Haskins to Mason Rudolph, and the lol at comparing him to Darnold as a prospect are the points posters are taking issue with. Darnold may have be the better prospect coming out, but it's not by much, and part of it is the knock on Haskins only having 1 year, which really says nothing about his ability as a player it's just potentially increases risk with having less games to judge him on.

Haskins to Mason Rudolph then it shows that you clearly know nothing about Haskins. They couldn't be more different. Mason Rudolph fell because he had below average arm strength and he also didn't have one special trait. Dwayne Haskins has a great arm and in terms of arm strength he would have been behind only Josh Allen last year. Haskins is also more accurate.

In comment 14356076 fanofthejets said:

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In comment 14356069 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14356003 fanofthejets said: Quote: Lol. It's no comparison. If this years version of Haskins was coming out last year he would be drafted around Mason Rudolph territory He had a stretch of 3 games as soon as he came back from injury where in that 3 game period he was the league's highest rated passer. And that's as a 21 year old with no talent around him (and lots of drops) 16/24 170 1td 1int 24/38 253 2td 0int 24/35 341 3td 0int 16/28 167 0td 0int Future is very bright for him. Definitely somebody who is going to be a top 5 QB in the league for a long time. His work ethic, ability to intake and process information rapidly, and ability to make incredible throws on the run really make him a sure fire budding star in the league No bias at all there, right? Why do you continue to come back here? Did every Jets board run you off already? Maybe everyone needs to be reminded that your views on humanity are as misguided as your choice of your preferred NFL team. I have entirely conventional views on humanity.

Just because the thread got immediately deleted doesn't mean that there aren't people here who remember that you referred to an entire segment of the population as "disgusting" for nothing other than their sexuality. If you honestly believe those are conventional views in 2019, you're a lost cause.

There is no reason for you to continue coming to this board. And yet you do. You're a troll, plain and simple. If you weren't, you'd just find a Jets board and converse with your own fellow fans. But that's not what you're after, is it?

There are two big differences. Haskins is better from the pocket while Darnold is better off platform on the move. Haskins has played QB all his life and it shows while darnold came late to the position and is still growing into it even as a pro.

For me. Better legs and has the ability to throw on the run, which I love in a QB. Haskins has the better throwing arm from what I’ve seen, but I still take Darnold in a heartbeat.

and cant throw from different platforms and I think that is actually a strength of his.

Watch him on film - he is a Roethlisberger clone in terms of avoiding pressure and keeping his eyes down field.

Ben wont run away from you but he keeps plays alive with his eyes down field and that is Haskins.

I want Rosen for #37 or Haskins at 6.

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There are two big differences. Haskins is better from the pocket while Darnold is better off platform on the move. Haskins has played QB all his life and it shows while darnold came late to the position and is still growing into it even as a pro.

Not sure how you arrived at Haskins being a better pocket passer. Based on what?

Darnold didn't have they luxury of a great pocket week after week.

And if Haskins was this polished QB - that you are suggesting - do you wonder why he couldn't beat out JT Barrett?

Offensive weapons in his 2nd year were not nearly as good as the prior year.

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And if Haskins was this polished QB - that you are suggesting - do you wonder why he couldn't beat out JT Barrett?

Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out the incumbent senior starter who was also Ohio State's all-time career leader in passing yards and TDs? Oh, no!

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In comment 14356213 bw in dc said: Quote: And if Haskins was this polished QB - that you are suggesting - do you wonder why he couldn't beat out JT Barrett? Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out the incumbent senior starter who was also Ohio State's all-time career leader in passing yards and TDs? Oh, no!

Yeah, lol, as a true freshman couldn’t beat Barrett in his senior season, very much like Darnold who sat his freshman year and redshirted.

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Yeah, lol, as a true freshman couldn’t beat Barrett in his senior season, very much like Darnold who sat his freshman year and redshirted.

For the record, USC was trying to get Darnold to move to LB his freshman year. So that created some tension b/c Darnold didn't want to. So the SC staff decided to red-shirt him.