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NFT: NCAA Frozen Four - Brackets

pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 12:49 pm
I realize this might be another hockey thread where I talk to myself, but in case anyone is interested the Frozen Four selection was last night.

I think it's time they expand this from 16 to 32. So many good teams and only 10 at-large bids.

Teams not in...Michigan, BC, BU, Minnesota. On the show last night they said I believe you need to go back to 1970 to find a year when none of those schools were in the tournament.

My alma mater, Quinnipiac makes it for the 5th time in 7 years, they face upstart Arizona State in the first round. QU is trending down though being swept by Brown in the ECAC tournament.

Other interesting matchups.

Overall #1 St. Cloud State vs AIC (1st time in tourney), will Ryan Poehling play? he suffered a head injury in the NCHC semis.

Umass (overall #4) vs Harvard. Best player in the country (IMO) is on Umass. Cale Makar (Av's prospect), and one of the next best D prospects: Adam Fox (Flames prospect) is on Harvard.

Minnesota State (overall #3) gets hosed and goes to Providence to face....Providence.

Minnesota Duluth (overall #2) looking to defend their title
vs a very good Bowling Green team.

I think something like the past 6 years a #1 seed has lost in the 1st round.

1st round games are Friday/Saturday and 2nd round is Saturday/Sunday. All games are one of the ESPN family of channels.







whoops  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 12:50 pm : link
I new I should have previewed that image. Oh well.
Lets go UMass  
Mark from Jersey : 3/25/2019 1:01 pm : link
Clap clap. Clap clap clap
Didn't  
JayBinQueens : 3/25/2019 1:02 pm : link
even think ASU had a hockey program...

RE: Didn't  
terz22 : 3/25/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14356167 JayBinQueens said:
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even think ASU had a hockey program...


There only a few years old. Play as an independent.
RE: Didn't  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14356167 JayBinQueens said:
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even think ASU had a hockey program...


Went D1 a few years ago and players like Auston Matthews (from Scottsdale, Arizona) sprung up a ton of hockey interest.

This year they had some good wins. Split with Harvard, Penn State, BU, tied Minnesota State, swept a series with BC and AIC, close games with Ohio State (but lost both).

They can easily beat Quinnipiac (but it's hockey, any of these teams can lose).
Really looking forward to the ND/Clarkson  
Metnut : 3/25/2019 1:15 pm : link
game. Amazing the work that Jackson has done to turn ND hockey into a powerhouse without a strong tradition there. Place is regularly packed on weekend nights for home games. With men's basketball having an awful year, the hockey team and woman's hoops have kept campus alive this winter.

I went to RPI for undergrad, so always followed the ECAC. Despite RPI being completely awful with no hope of improvement, I still follow the conference. Clarkson is RPI's rival, and I'm a bit jealous that they've been able to build a nationally relevant program (Union has done the same, even better, too) while RPI keeps making the same excuses.

Basically rooting for (1) ND, and (2) ECAC teams.
Let's go Buckeyes  
Kyle in NY : 3/25/2019 1:20 pm : link
Ohio State starting to gain a foothold in college hockey is a welcome sight. Lots of talent emerging in the Columbus area as the Blue Jackets have done great work establishing youth hockey since they arrived in 2000. Miami used to pluck kids from the area consistently but the tide may be turning
More than 2 ECAC teams  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:22 pm : link
you have Harvard, Clarkson, Cornell, & Quinnipiac

I liked RPI when I was a kid and Adam Oates was there and they won the National Championship. Oates was one of my favorite players as a kid - mainly because coaches said he was good.

loved him as a pro too. Such a smart player.
I see  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:22 pm : link
you are saying you are rooting for the ECAC teams & ND.

Not two ECAC teams.

sorry.
RE: Let's go Buckeyes  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14356196 Kyle in NY said:
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Ohio State starting to gain a foothold in college hockey is a welcome sight. Lots of talent emerging in the Columbus area as the Blue Jackets have done great work establishing youth hockey since they arrived in 2000. Miami used to pluck kids from the area consistently but the tide may be turning


tough draw with the #1 overall seed and Denver in their bracket.

they have a really good goalie though, so you know how that sometimes goes.
Go Huskies!!  
BillT : 3/25/2019 1:36 pm : link
We've already won the most important tournament as two time reigning Beanpot Champs. Now on to the NCAA.
RE: Go Huskies!!  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14356215 BillT said:
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We've already won the most important tournament as two time reigning Beanpot Champs. Now on to the NCAA.


Keith Primeau's son Cayden is their goalie (habs draft pick), he's awesome.

on a side note, one of my kids is looking at Northeastern (she's a junior in HS). Holy shit that school changed. When I was growing up it was everyone's safety school, you barely needed a pulse to get in. Now it's harder in many cases than BU and BC.

Rooting hard for Northeastern.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/25/2019 1:47 pm : link
That's where my daughter graduated from several years ago and where my retirement fund went. Go Huskies! Here's to the Doghouse!
Pjcas  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/25/2019 1:51 pm : link
Top notch school now ranked about even with BU. Only 28% get in. Phenomenal education and awesome location. Worth every penny as it got her a job in Cambridge even before graduation for a great salary.

Going to the Beanpot is a blast if you've never been.
RE: Pjcas  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14356231 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Top notch school now ranked about even with BU. Only 28% get in. Phenomenal education and awesome location. Worth every penny as it got her a job in Cambridge even before graduation for a great salary.

Going to the Beanpot is a blast if you've never been.


I try and go to the beanpot every year. great event. I missed this year.

I'm trying to convince her to go to Umass (to save $$$), but of course she wants Northeastern (or Brown as a stretch).
My daughter is a freshman at Providence  
Johnny5 : 3/25/2019 2:24 pm : link
Her dorm overlooks the rink where they practice. They actually have a pretty good squad.
I had no idea that American International and Arizona St  
lawguy9801 : 3/25/2019 2:31 pm : link
even had hockey teams.

For that matter, where is AIC even located??
RE: I had no idea that American International and Arizona St  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14356273 lawguy9801 said:
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even had hockey teams.

For that matter, where is AIC even located??


Springfield, MA.

They used to be D3. When I was at Quinnipiac they were D3 (as were we). Moved to D1 in the Atlantic Conference (Army, Air Force, Holy Cross, Bentley, etc.)
RE: RE: I had no idea that American International and Arizona St  
lawguy9801 : 3/25/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14356293 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14356273 lawguy9801 said:


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even had hockey teams.

For that matter, where is AIC even located??



Springfield, MA.

They used to be D3. When I was at Quinnipiac they were D3 (as were we). Moved to D1 in the Atlantic Conference (Army, Air Force, Holy Cross, Bentley, etc.)


Thanks...Air Force in the Atlantic Conference? Sounds like the same people deciding hockey conferences were in charge of the old NFL divisions (Dallas and Phoenix in east, Atlanta in west, etc.)
RE: RE: RE: I had no idea that American International and Arizona St  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14356312 lawguy9801 said:
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In comment 14356293 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14356273 lawguy9801 said:


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even had hockey teams.

For that matter, where is AIC even located??



Springfield, MA.

They used to be D3. When I was at Quinnipiac they were D3 (as were we). Moved to D1 in the Atlantic Conference (Army, Air Force, Holy Cross, Bentley, etc.)



Thanks...Air Force in the Atlantic Conference? Sounds like the same people deciding hockey conferences were in charge of the old NFL divisions (Dallas and Phoenix in east, Atlanta in west, etc.)


More like the NCAA conferences with Uconn, SMU, Houston, etc.

in hockey there are just fewer options so I get it.
surprised  
Pep22 : 3/25/2019 3:56 pm : link
Penn State didn't make it, especially after a one sided win over OSU (who made it) in the B10 semi final
Penn State  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 4:12 pm : link
had a good season, and Evan Barratt is awesome but I think they needed to win the tourney to get in.

Here are the overall tourney seeds (look how low the Big 10 champ is seeded, not a strong conference this year):

2019 NCAA Tournament Bracketology

T-1. St. Cloud State
T-1. Minnesota Duluth (NCHC)
3. Minnesota State (WCHA)
4. Massachusetts
5. Clarkson (ECAC)
6. Northeastern (Hockey East)
7. Quinnipiac
8. Denver
9. Ohio State
10. Arizona State
11. Cornell
T-12. Notre Dame (Big Ten)
T-12. Harvard
14. Providence
15. Bowling Green
31. American International (Atlantic Hockey)

Schools that won this weekend’s conference tournaments to earn an automatic bid are noted with the conference in parenthesis.

Atlantic Hockey champion American International is the only automatic bid outside the top 16. The Yellow Jackets take the place of Penn State as the 16th overall seed.
RE: Really looking forward to the ND/Clarkson  
ColHowPepper : 3/25/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14356189 Metnut said:
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game. ...I went to RPI for undergrad, so always followed the ECAC. Despite RPI being completely awful with no hope of improvement, I still follow the conference. Clarkson is RPI's rival, and I'm a bit jealous that they've been able to build a nationally relevant program (Union has done the same, even better, too) while RPI keeps making the same excuses.
Basically rooting for (1) ND, and (2) ECAC teams.
We're kind of peas in a pod in terms of focus on ECAC. Goodness, BU, BC, Clarkson and sometimes RPI were always the cream at the top, along with the occasional Ivy, mostly Harkness' Cornell teams, often Harvard, and from time to time Brown, Yale etc. So pj's 1970 reference really gongs a bell as to outliers.

I was Sports Director for my college radio station and got to do the Beanpot a couple of times, think they were in Boston Garden and for some reason one year was in MSG where BC was playing I forget whom. Heading up to Clarkson, Cornell and RPI for road games in the winter was always fun...long bus rides in the dark coming home. I'd get to our assigned booth, look for the feed (simple twisted pair telephone wire with tape identifying my station), hook it up to the transceiver remote, off air make sure we were live with the station, and wait for game time. Loved that s..t.

ASU, AIC? Things are a changing, and Minn. St. was not a big name back then.
College hockey is definitely changing  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 5:23 pm : link
part of it was older Canadian kids who failed in juniors or stagnated wanting to at least use hockey to get an education.

Now though it's much more than that.

Like I said, Quinnipiac was D3 when I was there, floundering against powerhouses like Stonehill, Iona and St. Mike's.

they went D1 in 1998 and have since played in two national title games. That is a quick turnaround IMO. Yes, it's been 20 years, but some teams have never been to a National title game.

and the popularity of hockey is growing in youth hockey too and the girls game is growing even faster.
AIC beat my alma mater (Niagara)  
timintey : 3/25/2019 9:03 pm : link
In the Atlantic finals. Would’ve been cool to see NU make the tourney. We were only club when I went there.
Ryan Poehling  
pjcas18 : 3/27/2019 10:44 am : link
returned to practice, no word if he'll play this weekend, big news for SCS if he does play.
I guess I'll root for Arizona St  
YAJ2112 : 3/27/2019 11:44 am : link
Just based on their record alone.
It was a good night of games  
Mark from Jersey : 3/30/2019 7:50 am : link
UMass who finished the season a bit shaky looked to be in mid season form and easily took care of Harvard 4-0.

AIC (Springfield MA) with the shocker over St. Cloud. St. Cloud loses to the 16th seeded team for the 2nd year in a row!.

ND/Clarkson was the best game of the night IMO. ND down 2-1 ties it up with around 2 minutes to play and wins in overtime. Some controversy as Clarkson's best player was ejected for a 5 min boarding. Close call but IMO I did not think it deserved an ejection. That being said he was not having a great game up to the point of the penalty.

I didnt watch much of the Denver Ohio State game as it was on the same time as the UMass game but Denver's goaltender is hot right now and that school has a history of doing well in the tournament. Wouldnt be surprised to see Denver in the Final 4 or Championship round. Good goaltender and a solid all around team.
Minnesota-Duluth has the same colors as Minnesota?  
Greg from LI : 3/30/2019 4:37 pm : link
That's.....odd
Rangers  
Jay in Toronto : 3/30/2019 4:50 pm : link
Have a prospect leading Cornell
Wow Providence...  
Johnny5 : 3/30/2019 9:22 pm : link
... with the upset over Minn. St. Down 3-0 just 11 minutes in, actually 4 but Minn was offsides on the replay on the 4th goal. Providence comes back and scores 6 unanswered.
RE: Wow Providence...  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14364213 Johnny5 said:
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... with the upset over Minn. St. Down 3-0 just 11 minutes in, actually 4 but Minn was offsides on the replay on the 4th goal. Providence comes back and scores 6 unanswered.


great testament to them not giving up, and it was fun to watch, but I still think Minn St got hosed as a #1 seed playing Providence in Providence.
RE: RE: Wow Providence...  
Johnny5 : 3/30/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14364214 pjcas18 said:
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... with the upset over Minn. St. Down 3-0 just 11 minutes in, actually 4 but Minn was offsides on the replay on the 4th goal. Providence comes back and scores 6 unanswered.



great testament to them not giving up, and it was fun to watch, but I still think Minn St got hosed as a #1 seed playing Providence in Providence.

Oh for sure. I can't believe that game was played at the Dunk, that place was rockin... lol. Of course my daughter pitched a club softball game at Sacred Heart today and had to miss it, but friends were face-timing her doing the game, it was pretty well packed and rocking.
UMass  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/30/2019 9:54 pm : link
going to the Frozen Four for the first time ever. Go get 'em, Carvy! What a turn around in three years.
Qunnipiac  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2019 10:45 pm : link
holds on over AZ State. They play Minn-Duluth tomorrow for a trip to Buffalo

Umass the only team there so far.

Denver vs AIC right now for the West region.

and other than Quinnipiac vs Minn Duluth you have Providence and Cornell tomorrow for the other two in the final 4.
Always like watching this tourney...  
trueblueinpw : 3/31/2019 12:18 am : link
Been to a bunch of these games, usually the regionals, with my friends who I played with in college. First few years they were drinking trips, and it’s not really a drinking crowd at the games. I remember one year we went, think it was in Worchester, and two of my buddies stayed in the hotel drinking (started at like 10 am) while me and my best friend went to like a mall or something nearby to kill time. Anyway, we all met up for the first game at the arena and those guys were so wasted they almost got thrown out of the area. Now we take the kids.

Anyway, guess I’ll root for Quinni as I have ties to Hamden. Can’t believe that school has grown so much, but Southern Ct youth hockey has always been really strong.
RE: UMass  
Mark from Jersey : 3/31/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14364248 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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going to the Frozen Four for the first time ever. Go get 'em, Carvy! What a turn around in three years.
Its been exciting. I went there from 94-98 and never missed a game. More of a basketball school back then (Calipari, Camby, Roe, etc) but being in hockey east you got to see quality teams play against us and the occasional upset. Teams like BU (Drury, Grier, Bates, etc) would light us up 7-0.

Much different now...only took 20 Years
Go QC Braves,  
Pete in MD : 3/31/2019 9:24 am : link
I mean QU Bobcats! My sister went there in the mid 90s. I think hockey was a club sport back then.
RE: Always like watching this tourney...  
pjcas18 : 3/31/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14364390 trueblueinpw said:
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Been to a bunch of these games, usually the regionals, with my friends who I played with in college. First few years they were drinking trips, and it’s not really a drinking crowd at the games. I remember one year we went, think it was in Worchester, and two of my buddies stayed in the hotel drinking (started at like 10 am) while me and my best friend went to like a mall or something nearby to kill time. Anyway, we all met up for the first game at the arena and those guys were so wasted they almost got thrown out of the area. Now we take the kids.

Anyway, guess I’ll root for Quinni as I have ties to Hamden. Can’t believe that school has grown so much, but Southern Ct youth hockey has always been really strong.


There is one or two CT kids at Quinnipiac. What's sort of ironic is when I went there (still a D3 school) the head coach was my mite coach. I only played Freshman year, but that was because I was pretty close to failing out of school as a Freshman and I pretty much had to pick hockey or school anyway, my father was talking with the former head coach one day around the time they announced the move to D1.

He said, you know they ruined one of the only places for these local kids to keep playing hockey. And of course the success of the program is much better for the school, and the town, and the athletic program, but he's right. Fewer and fewer places for borderline college players to continue playing.

First year as D1 the team was practically all 23/24 year olds from Trail, British Columbia or Moosejaw Saskatchewan trying to trade their fledgling hockey careers for an education. Now there is a lot of Americans - maybe even 65% Americans, but most are not local.

Anyway, been fun watching them (even though my college friends hated I was rooting for Yale when Quinnipiac and Yae played in the National title game a while ago).
Go Friars  
Oscar : 3/31/2019 9:45 am : link
Impressive to come back from 3-0 down in the first period yesterday, though they were fortunate to be playing in Providence. I will admit I haven’t watched a game all season but I’ll try to catch the game this afternoon. PC is definitely more of a basketball school but the hockey team has been really strong lately.
Wait a secin’ pj...  
trueblueinpw : 3/31/2019 12:45 pm : link
Hope you don’t mind my asking, but how is it you rooted for Yale when they were playing against Quinnipiac in 2013? That’s got to be some kind of story considering that was your team and that would have been an amazing upset. Anyhow, that’s turned into a great rivalry.
RE: Wait a secin’ pj...  
pjcas18 : 3/31/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14364730 trueblueinpw said:
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Hope you don’t mind my asking, but how is it you rooted for Yale when they were playing against Quinnipiac in 2013? That’s got to be some kind of story considering that was your team and that would have been an amazing upset. Anyhow, that’s turned into a great rivalry.


I grew up a Yale fan, way before I went to Quinnipiac - my father was born in New Haven and dragged me to practically ever Yale football and hockey games. And then my high school coach was a former Yale coach, so we went to Ingalls (aka the Yale Whale) often to watch the Yale games. Pre-Quinnipiac days that was the best college hockey around.

So, once Quinnipiac went D1 I rooted for the school, as my alma mater I always wanted them to win, but I felt a little disconnected. I wasn't close to D1 good. So if Quinnipiac played anyone other than Yale it's a no-brainer, but that's not how it turned out as we know.

And Yale were heavy underdogs. They played 3 times that year before the National title game and Quinnipiac swept Yale in those games with something like a 12 - 2 goal spread in the three games.
Makes sense...  
trueblueinpw : 3/31/2019 4:56 pm : link
Yale casts a long shadow in the area. I think the ice at the whale might be the nicest I ever skated on.
Providence  
pjcas18 : 3/31/2019 6:49 pm : link
wins their 2nd home game and is off to Buffalo.

they face the winner of Minn-Duluth/Quinnipiac.
Minn-Duluth tops Quinnipiac to take the final frozen  
pjcas18 : 3/31/2019 9:11 pm : link
4 spot.

Minn-Duluth vs Providence
and
Umass vs Denver

should be good games.

Only positive take away for Quinnipiac who was never really in this game, is they had 10 freshman dressed for the game, and a few sophomores. Only 2 or 3 seniors on this team.
Good news Devils fan  
Jay on the Island : 4/3/2019 1:07 pm : link
Northeastern defenseman Jeremy Davies has signed an entry level contract with the Devils. There was growing concern that he would go back to school to become an UFA after the season as players like Will Butcher, Vesey, Kerfoot, and Hayes did. It'll be interesting to see if the Devils give him playing time over the final two years.
PJ  
Jay on the Island : 4/4/2019 9:41 am : link
Adam Fox has told Carolina that he will not sign with Carolina and he will become an UFA next year. It will be interesting to see which team he chooses.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 4/4/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14371035 Jay on the Island said:
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Adam Fox has told Carolina that he will not sign with Carolina and he will become an UFA next year. It will be interesting to see which team he chooses.


Interesting, I posted that speculation earlier in the NHL playoff thread I believe.

I read he wanted to be a Ranger, so we'll see if Carolina tries to trade him to NY and/if NY waits it out until he's a FA.

So smooth with the puck, he's not Cale Makar, but he's close maybe a better comp is Torey Krug IMO. Maybe even better defensively. I like him more than Will Butcher.
I do also  
Jay on the Island : 4/4/2019 10:46 am : link
I think every team in the NHL will make him an offer. I hope the Devils have a shot since they have a huge need at right defenseman and they also drafted his Harvard teammate and friend Reilly Walsh who might sign with the Devils this offseason.
RE: I do also  
pjcas18 : 4/4/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14371163 Jay on the Island said:
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I think every team in the NHL will make him an offer. I hope the Devils have a shot since they have a huge need at right defenseman and they also drafted his Harvard teammate and friend Reilly Walsh who might sign with the Devils this offseason.


Drafting anyone from Harvard is dicey IMO, it's the rare school where the degree might be as valuable post-career as the hockey career. We saw Donato leave school and flame out (though I still like him) and he probably only even went to Harvard because his father is the coach. Otherwise I'd have to discount a player in some cases who is committed to Harvard. I think Fox was a 3rd round pick, so maybe that's partly why. And it probably has to do with CAL including him in the trade for Hanifin.

Will Butcher is a good player  
Jay on the Island : 4/4/2019 10:53 am : link
but I doubt he will ever be a top pairing defender. Fox will almost certainly choose the Rangers but the Devils could at least entice him a bit as the right side of the defense is wide open for him. Vatanen will be a free agent at the same time as Fox and all the Devils have signed in 2020 on the right side at the moment are Damon Severson(better suited as a second pairing RD) Steve Santini, and Connor Carrick with Reilly Walsh waiting in the wings.
RE: RE: I do also  
Jay on the Island : 4/4/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14371175 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14371163 Jay on the Island said:


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I think every team in the NHL will make him an offer. I hope the Devils have a shot since they have a huge need at right defenseman and they also drafted his Harvard teammate and friend Reilly Walsh who might sign with the Devils this offseason.



Drafting anyone from Harvard is dicey IMO, it's the rare school where the degree might be as valuable post-career as the hockey career. We saw Donato leave school and flame out (though I still like him) and he probably only even went to Harvard because his father is the coach. Otherwise I'd have to discount a player in some cases who is committed to Harvard. I think Fox was a 3rd round pick, so maybe that's partly why. And it probably has to do with CAL including him in the trade for Hanifin.

I hope Fox doesn't influence Reilly Walsh to go back to school for two more years in order to hit free agency.
Might be worth trading for the pick  
Jay in Toronto : 4/4/2019 11:02 am : link
by the Rangers so he can play sooner.

Are they allowed to speak with him with Carolina's permission?
Fox named  
pjcas18 : 4/4/2019 12:19 pm : link
a Hobey Baker finalist, along with Cale Makar (Umass) and Jimmy Schuldt (St. Cloud State).




RE: Didn't  
BrettNYG10 : 4/6/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14356167 JayBinQueens said:
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even think ASU had a hockey program...


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