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A Plan of Mine

Anakim : 3/25/2019 1:37 pm
1. Restructure Zeitler and any other contracts that would free up some cap space.

2. Sign:

ILB Zach Brown
FS Tre Boston
NT Danny Shelton
ER Nick Perry

And for those concerned about comp picks, Tre Boston and Danny Shelton are the uncut free agents and neither should/will be getting much in this market.


3. Draft Day - trade a 3rd rounder and Sterling Shepard to the Cardinals for Josh Rosen.

They do have Christian Kirk, who is somewhat similar to Shep, but they don't much after him. They have Fitz, who, while still productive, is obviously up there in age, they rolled the dice on Kevin White, Chad Williams is basically JAG.. Shep would fit in nicely and could have a career year (in his contract year) with his fellow Sooner, Kyler Murray.

Now, I'm no fan of Rosen. I wasn't a fan of him last year and I'm not a fan of him this year either. I also have Haskins as a better prospect this year than Rosen was last year. BUT I'd rather get Rosen in the third round (or even second round, so to speak) than Haskins at sixth overall.

I know the Cards want more than a third rounder (and as I reported, are willing to include Haason Reddick to make that happen), but it shouldn't be from us. Rosen is a huge gamble, even at this stage. I added Shep to sweeten the deal for them and also because I don't think Gettleman would re-sign Shep next year, given his proclivity to get rid of all people and things that OBJ influenced.

So now we have our QB of the future (near or distant. Hell if I'm not hoping for Trevor Lawrence...)


As for the Draft, I'll give you my Day One and Day Two:

6 - trade down and collect a first rounder next year. I know, easier said than done. But I'm trying to build for the future of this team, while also insuring that if Rosen fails, we'll have the draft capital to move up in 2020 to select a QB (Tua, Costello, Fromm, Herbert, Eason, maybe Montez...)


What kind of haul can we expect? I look to the Julio Jones trade in 2011. Falcons traded up to #6 to select Jones and the Browns got back Atlanta's No. 27 overall selection and the team's first-round pick in 2012, as well as the Falcons' second- and fourth-round picks and a fourth-round selection in 2012.

Now, if we trade down to the middle of the first, I'd be quite content with just accepting a first rounder next year without all the extras.


So for argument's sake, let's say the Steelers want to move up. Devin White is sitting there at 6 (he's my fourth overall prospect, BTW and I'd love for him to be a Giant) and the Steelers need an ILB (which they do). It's a bit weak down the middle, with only Devin Bush and Devin White as first round guys, in my eyes. White is obviously a game-changer and Steelers want him. Steelers trade #20 and a first rounder next year (with possibly some extras, as I don't know the trade chart) to move up to #6 to take him.

Cool. Now at the very least we have #17 and #20. I advocate almost always taking the best player available, but I'll play along with a mock:


#17 - ER Brian Burns - Florida State


#20 - WR N'Keal Harry - Arizona State or WR Hakeem Butler - Iowa State


2. OT Dalton Risner (Kansas State), Tytus Howard (Alabama State), Yodny Cajuste (West Virginia)



QB - Eli, Rosen, Lauletta
RB - Saquon, Gallman...pick
FB - Penny
WR - Butler/Harry, Tate, Latimer, Coleman...
Offensive Weapon - Engram
TE - Ellison, Simonson...pick
OT - Solder, 2nd rounder
OG - Hernandez, Zeitler
OC - Halapio/Pulley
DE - BJ Hill, Tomlinson
NT - Shelton
ER - Burns, Carter, Martin, Perry
ILB - Brown, Ogletree
CB - Jackrabbit, Beal...
FS - Tre Boston
SS - Jabrill Peppers
Third Safety - Antoine Bethea
Please explain...  
BamaBlue : 3/25/2019 1:46 pm : link
why you say Haskins is a better QB, but the Giants should go with Rosen for a 3d round pick (assuming that trade could even be made)?

Why would you not go with the better fit at the QB position and live with an 'inferior' product, because is saves a 1st round draft pick?
Don't like it  
crooza172 : 3/25/2019 1:51 pm : link
If haskins is the superior product, you take him and don't look back. Would you rather have Aaaron Rodgers (not saying Haskins is rodgers) in the first round or a potential Brandon Weedon for a 3rd? Makes no sense to me. You take the better product. Period.
Thanks for sharing  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/25/2019 1:53 pm : link
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If Haskins is highly graded  
BillyM : 3/25/2019 1:53 pm : link
You take him and do not look back.

You still have #17 to address edge or tackle.

You also have the ability to move up a bit in the mid rounds.

In my perfect world, that would be best case scenario.
So  
Joey in VA : 3/25/2019 1:54 pm : link
Explain this little line phrasing for me...."(he's my fourth overall prospect, BTW". Do you actually think anyone puts any stock in your ratings or rankings? Why do you hold yourself up as some scouting service or professional scout? Do you really think anyone besides you gives a flying fart about what YOUR rankings are? Why do you talk like this is your job and your opinion should be respected because you like to do this? Liking it isn't enough and you're not a scout or anything close to it.
is  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 1:55 pm : link
"offensive weapon" an official position?
I don't get it...  
Giant Fan Dan : 3/25/2019 1:58 pm : link
You say you don't care for Rosen (I don't either) then why even waste a 3rd rounder on him? Just for the QB controversy drama? If it's not a real good chance of "QB of the future" then why waste resources on them?
I love the trade down aspect  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/25/2019 2:03 pm : link
if they aren't drafting a QB ,it makes sense to accrue more assets since the team is so shallow in depth. Not to mention the costs of these late 1st rd picks/early 2nd rd picks are less than half of the top 10.
I thought Boston already signed with a team  
ZogZerg : 3/25/2019 2:10 pm : link
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Joey, please. Anak's on Daniel Jeremiah's speed dial.  
yatqb : 3/25/2019 2:13 pm : link
Where do you think that DJ gets his rankings?
Anak  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/25/2019 2:17 pm : link
is our resident YouTube hero. Let him check the "tape". I find it amusing him posting around here his rankings.

Yea  
kelsto811 : 3/25/2019 2:19 pm : link
I'm with those who say if you like Haskins better than Rosen, then you go for it. I personally like Rosen more than every draft eligible QB not named Murray. But I've also been beating the drum for him since last April.

One thing, as a fan, I take into consideration is that next years QB class looks to have a lot more appealing options than this years. If I had the choice now, I'd prefer Tua, Herbert, or Fromm over Haskins, Lock, or Jones. So knowing that and knowing that the Giants wouldn't be tied down contract wise if Rosen didn't pan out...It's an easy choice which direction I'd prefer.

That said, I am still realistic and I understand from a GM/FO perspective you can't necessarily cross your fingers and hope you're A) In a position to draft one of those QB's a year from now, and B) Hope that the evaluations you made the year prior still hold weight..If the Giants truly have a high grade on or think Haskins can be a franchise qb type guy, then I think he should be the choice.
One more thing on that..  
kelsto811 : 3/25/2019 2:22 pm : link
If you hold out on addressing QB until next year (for whatever reasons), you're also really limiting yourself in regards to your options with the 1st rounder.
RE: Please explain...  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14356224 BamaBlue said:
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why you say Haskins is a better QB, but the Giants should go with Rosen for a 3d round pick (assuming that trade could even be made)?

Why would you not go with the better fit at the QB position and live with an 'inferior' product, because is saves a 1st round draft pick?


Because I think Rosen at a third round rate is more valuable than Haskins in a first round rate, but I don't believe either of them will be top-tier starters with long-term futures for whichever team they play on.
RE: is  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14356238 pjcas18 said:
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"offensive weapon" an official position?


It is if you're Evan Engram
RE: I don't get it...  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14356241 Giant Fan Dan said:
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You say you don't care for Rosen (I don't either) then why even waste a 3rd rounder on him? Just for the QB controversy drama? If it's not a real good chance of "QB of the future" then why waste resources on them?


Because you gamble on him hoping he pans out and if it doesn't, it's a third round pick, not a first round pick...just like you spent a third rounder taking Sam Beal, you spend a third rounder on Josh Rosen in an excellent contract situation. If it doesn't work out in 2020 or 2021, fine. Let him walk.
RE: I thought Boston already signed with a team  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14356248 ZogZerg said:
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No, he's still a FA
RE: One more thing on that..  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14356263 kelsto811 said:
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If you hold out on addressing QB until next year (for whatever reasons), you're also really limiting yourself in regards to your options with the 1st rounder.


That's IF Rosen doesn't pan out. As I said, I think he is a starter, but I don't think he has the durability to be in the league for very long.
RE: One more thing on that..  
Bill L : 3/25/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14356263 kelsto811 said:
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If you hold out on addressing QB until next year (for whatever reasons), you're also really limiting yourself in regards to your options with the 1st rounder.

With out potential record and the 2 first round picks Anak acquired and those three (want to include Eason as well?) I don't think that we are limited at all. Rather, I think that the worries about being shut put are overblown.
That comment I made  
kelsto811 : 3/25/2019 2:39 pm : link
Wasn't in reference to the OP's scenario, I was just adding on to my post before that. Talking to myself :)
RE: RE: One more thing on that..  
Bill L : 3/25/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14356288 Anakim said:
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In comment 14356263 kelsto811 said:


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If you hold out on addressing QB until next year (for whatever reasons), you're also really limiting yourself in regards to your options with the 1st rounder.



That's IF Rosen doesn't pan out. As I said, I think he is a starter, but I don't think he has the durability to be in the league for very long.


I'm very confident about 2020 and I think Rosen might cause them to hold off because they made the investment. I think that puts us in grave danger. Danger, I said? No, I said grave danger.

I go with your plan because I like it. Except that I keep the third round pick and use it on someone who would actually help us for a few years.
So youre not a fan of rosen  
djm : 3/25/2019 2:43 pm : link
It youd trade valuable resources for rosen and then hitch your wagon to rosen.

All because you dont want to use a higher draft pick on Haskins.

Nope. Thanks.
I don't like Rosen  
Chris684 : 3/25/2019 2:48 pm : link
and I fear heading into the 2020 draft with him on the roster without having played at all in 2019 and not knowing if I'm in on a super highly touted QB class.

Rosen only worked for me without Eli, because at least then you use 2019 as his audition and you either need or don't need a 2020 QB.

Haskins @ 6 (if they like him) is the way to go.
RE: So youre not a fan of rosen  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14356308 djm said:
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It youd trade valuable resources for rosen and then hitch your wagon to rosen.

All because you dont want to use a higher draft pick on Haskins.

Nope. Thanks.


But is it really? It's rolling the dice and hoping it lands on sixes. Similar to Sam Beal.

Basically, I see it like this:

Josh Rosen is worth a gamble in the third round. While I personally am not a fan, I don't discount that he COULD be successful...which is kind of what mid-rounders are for: gambling. Rosen in the third is more valuable than Haskins in the first.

It complicates things a bit that Eli will most assuredly be the starter in 2019 (which I disagree with. I would've cut him and saved on the cap.), but Rosen is a nice insurance policy in case Eli falters during the season or, at the very least, when Eli is not on the team in 2020 after his contract expires. At least you'd have someone in place and not worry about potentially starting a rookie at QB.

I do like Haskins more than Rosen, but the chasm between the two isn't big. For example, Baker Mayfield was my #1 QB last year by quite a large margin. If Mayfield were sitting at 6, I would take him and forget the whole Rosen scenario.

But I'd take a chance on Rosen for AT LEAST a year or two. If he plays well, great. If he sucks, okay, it's a third round pick wasted. If he's middling, well then you weigh the QB prospects with how much you think Rosen will improve, which I think is a fairly decent problem to have. It's better than having no options at all and being desperate.
RE: I don't like Rosen  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14356315 Chris684 said:
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and I fear heading into the 2020 draft with him on the roster without having played at all in 2019 and not knowing if I'm in on a super highly touted QB class.

Rosen only worked for me without Eli, because at least then you use 2019 as his audition and you either need or don't need a 2020 QB.

Haskins @ 6 (if they like him) is the way to go.


But I'm curious why you see it that way. Rosen and Haskins are the same age. Is it because Rosen already has NFL experience and didn't play well? Or because he already burned off a year of his contract, while Haskins would have a year more on his deal?


Just because Rosen has NFL experience doesn't mean he can't sit and learn behind Eli.
I think I just generally don't like Rosen  
Chris684 : 3/25/2019 3:02 pm : link
and the plan of getting him on the cheap kind of flies in the face of keeping Eli and also the contractual years lost.

If we like Haskins better and can grab him at 6 without trading up(still possible IMO) I view that in and of itself a discount with what some teams spend for QBs these days. Especially in a year where we have 2 1sts.

We can still come back and pick up a Ford, Burns, Ferrell, whoever we like at 17.
RE: I think I just generally don't like Rosen  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14356331 Chris684 said:
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and the plan of getting him on the cheap kind of flies in the face of keeping Eli and also the contractual years lost.

If we like Haskins better and can grab him at 6 without trading up(still possible IMO) I view that in and of itself a discount with what some teams spend for QBs these days. Especially in a year where we have 2 1sts.

We can still come back and pick up a Ford, Burns, Ferrell, whoever we like at 17.


That's fair
But don't get me wrong  
Chris684 : 3/25/2019 3:09 pm : link
trading for Rosen and releasing Eli could have been a very smart play in terms of cap dollars and resource allocation if you believe Rosen pans out long term.

It's just not what they chose and I'm sure the reason must be they don't love Rosen, which, since I agree with them, I understand.
damn  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2019 3:17 pm : link
everyone jumping all over Anak for posting his rankings. its a fucking fan message board, he loves doing this. why the fuck is this hated so much?


I happen to like the plan ALOT. i think its a good move to get rosen, however i rather trade picks since we have so many. if we are going to trade shep(im ok with this too) i would do so for a 2 or 3 THIS year so when we trade #95 and lets say a 2020 3rd, we recoup a high pick this year and can use on WR.

now if you like haskins better than rosen, you have to take him at 6 and not slide back. personally i like the rosen idea, because it gives us a chance to address 3 positions with our 2 firsts and 1 second. then if rosen isnt good in locker room or doesnt perform well(after eli gets benched when eliminated from playoffs) then we can trade the house to move up for a 2020 QB as the potential last piece needed to a complete rebuild/retool
You need at least two more corners  
ChicagoMarty : 3/25/2019 3:17 pm : link
and I am not a fan of Rosen
I would not move down  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2019 3:27 pm : link
from 6. We could actually wind up with a Blue chipper, so sorely needed on D
I like Shelton + Zach Brown, don't love trading past #10 or for Rosen  
Eric on Li : 3/25/2019 3:33 pm : link
Rosen has 1 less year of cheap control than a rookie QB, and just because he's cheaper to acquire this year doesn't fully change whatever his grade was that led to being passed on last year.

I hope they aggressively find their QB in this draft, and more than likely that could mean moving up slightly for Haskins or using their highest pick on that player (Jones or Lock) without much room to slide down past Denver or Miami.

I also don't see a first round WR in the cards this year. I think we see QB + defensive player in rd1. And then probably another defensive player/OL in the 2nd + 3rd. At least 2 of the 4 "premium picks" are going to be used on defense.
Rosen  
Thegratefulhead : 3/25/2019 3:50 pm : link
Is less of gamble than a draft pick. He actually showed he can play. He proved that he will stand in there with the worst OL in football by far and deliver the ball. He also proved he could take the hits. His delivery and mechanics were on display, he repeats them effortlessly.

If you can step outside for yourself and drop all the baggage. Understand, that Greg Cosell though he was the best QB in the draft last year. He is universally considered extremely knowledgeable in his field.

There are ZERO first hand accounts of this attitude or locker room issues. All hearsay. I am unconvinced he is available yet. He MIGHT, only be available because the new coach LOVES Murray.

If he is, we have to pounce, he is better than everyone in this draft and the last draft. If they draft Murray one Rosen will be cheap. They cannot afford to have the person drafted number 1 be beaten out by the QB already on the team.
RE: I like Shelton + Zach Brown, don't love trading past #10 or for Rosen  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14356381 Eric on Li said:
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Rosen has 1 less year of cheap control than a rookie QB, and just because he's cheaper to acquire this year doesn't fully change whatever his grade was that led to being passed on last year.

I hope they aggressively find their QB in this draft, and more than likely that could mean moving up slightly for Haskins or using their highest pick on that player (Jones or Lock) without much room to slide down past Denver or Miami.

I also don't see a first round WR in the cards this year. I think we see QB + defensive player in rd1. And then probably another defensive player/OL in the 2nd + 3rd. At least 2 of the 4 "premium picks" are going to be used on defense.


he wasnt "passed" on last year because of his grade. more likely than not, we just LOVED barkley. i think its seriously possible if giants picked #1 they would have taken barkley. i genuoinely believe they just felt he is a HoF talent and couldnt agree on a QB. i dont think it reflects on how they felt about rosen at all
RE: Rosen  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14356406 Thegratefulhead said:
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Is less of gamble than a draft pick. He actually showed he can play. He proved that he will stand in there with the worst OL in football by far and deliver the ball. He also proved he could take the hits. His delivery and mechanics were on display, he repeats them effortlessly.

If you can step outside for yourself and drop all the baggage. Understand, that Greg Cosell though he was the best QB in the draft last year. He is universally considered extremely knowledgeable in his field.

There are ZERO first hand accounts of this attitude or locker room issues. All hearsay. I am unconvinced he is available yet. He MIGHT, only be available because the new coach LOVES Murray.

If he is, we have to pounce, he is better than everyone in this draft and the last draft. If they draft Murray one Rosen will be cheap. They cannot afford to have the person drafted number 1 be beaten out by the QB already on the team.


exactly how i am feeling and seeing it. to add on, i also think rosen is a LOW risk HIGH reward because he is so cheap both to acquire and in terms of cost to have him on the team. i think its a no brainer personally
Anakim's Plan  
CJ in AZ : 3/25/2019 3:58 pm : link
I like your plan, but I don't think the Cardinals will trade Rosen for a 3rd and Shepherd in his contract year.

What if we throw in our 4th round draft choice from last year, the guy who is such a bad driver, Kyle Lauletta? [Just joking, I think Kyle will be better this year and if not, he'll be gone.]
RE: RE: I like Shelton + Zach Brown, don't love trading past #10 or for Rosen  
Bill L : 3/25/2019 3:58 pm : link
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he wasnt "passed" on last year because of his grade. more likely than not, we just LOVED barkley. i think its seriously possible if giants picked #1 they would have taken barkley. i genuoinely believe they just felt he is a HoF talent and couldnt agree on a QB. i dont think it reflects on how they felt about rosen at all


Except that most reports had us picking Chubb if Barkley was gone and Darnold and Allen as being their other top QB choices. Actually IIRC, most reports said they weren't really sold on *any* of the 2018 QB prospects.
RE: RE: Rosen  
Bill L : 3/25/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14356408 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14356406 Thegratefulhead said:


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Is less of gamble than a draft pick. He actually showed he can play. He proved that he will stand in there with the worst OL in football by far and deliver the ball. He also proved he could take the hits. His delivery and mechanics were on display, he repeats them effortlessly.

If you can step outside for yourself and drop all the baggage. Understand, that Greg Cosell though he was the best QB in the draft last year. He is universally considered extremely knowledgeable in his field.

There are ZERO first hand accounts of this attitude or locker room issues. All hearsay. I am unconvinced he is available yet. He MIGHT, only be available because the new coach LOVES Murray.

If he is, we have to pounce, he is better than everyone in this draft and the last draft. If they draft Murray one Rosen will be cheap. They cannot afford to have the person drafted number 1 be beaten out by the QB already on the team.



exactly how i am feeling and seeing it. to add on, i also think rosen is a LOW risk HIGH reward because he is so cheap both to acquire and in terms of cost to have him on the team. i think its a no brainer personally
"No brainer" is probably the operative term and why I think that he's actually an extremely *high* risk.
RE: RE: RE: I like Shelton + Zach Brown, don't love trading past #10 or for Rosen  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14356418 Bill L said:
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he wasnt "passed" on last year because of his grade. more likely than not, we just LOVED barkley. i think its seriously possible if giants picked #1 they would have taken barkley. i genuoinely believe they just felt he is a HoF talent and couldnt agree on a QB. i dont think it reflects on how they felt about rosen at all



Except that most reports had us picking Chubb if Barkley was gone and Darnold and Allen as being their other top QB choices. Actually IIRC, most reports said they weren't really sold on *any* of the 2018 QB prospects.


thats fine....youre comparing taking a player at #2 vs potentially a 3rd rounder plus another pick. the risk is lesser by a mile. the giants may not have had rosen over barkley chubb, etc but gaurantee they have him ranked higher than #95 if he was in this draft by a mile meaning #95 plus a 2020 pick is a GOOD move
More on Rosen  
Thegratefulhead : 3/25/2019 4:02 pm : link
Its more like the place of a 21-year-old college kid with a little too much money, said Rosen, who will make his second NFL start Sunday here against the 49ers.


Whatever it is, apparently its a place where Rosen has been inviting all of his Cardinals teammates on the offensive side of the ball long before coach Steve Wilks benched Sam Bradford and named Rosen the new starter. Hes been hosting extra film-study sessions there for weeks now, and everybody has been welcome.

He sure sounds like dick, bet the young guys on the team just hate a guy like this lol
Rosen Article - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: Rosen  
BleedBlue : 3/25/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14356420 Bill L said:
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In comment 14356408 BleedBlue said:


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In comment 14356406 Thegratefulhead said:


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Is less of gamble than a draft pick. He actually showed he can play. He proved that he will stand in there with the worst OL in football by far and deliver the ball. He also proved he could take the hits. His delivery and mechanics were on display, he repeats them effortlessly.

If you can step outside for yourself and drop all the baggage. Understand, that Greg Cosell though he was the best QB in the draft last year. He is universally considered extremely knowledgeable in his field.

There are ZERO first hand accounts of this attitude or locker room issues. All hearsay. I am unconvinced he is available yet. He MIGHT, only be available because the new coach LOVES Murray.

If he is, we have to pounce, he is better than everyone in this draft and the last draft. If they draft Murray one Rosen will be cheap. They cannot afford to have the person drafted number 1 be beaten out by the QB already on the team.



exactly how i am feeling and seeing it. to add on, i also think rosen is a LOW risk HIGH reward because he is so cheap both to acquire and in terms of cost to have him on the team. i think its a no brainer personally

"No brainer" is probably the operative term and why I think that he's actually an extremely *high* risk.


bill how is he high risk? its a 3rd round pick which is low, he is still a baby in terms of NFL shelf life. and he will cost basically nothing when you compare to other QBs around the league....he is a no brainer in that the cost isnt high and we can abandon ship if he fails
RE: damn  
joeinpa : 3/25/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14356353 BleedBlue said:
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everyone jumping all over Anak for posting his rankings. its a fucking fan message board, he loves doing this. why the fuck is this hated so much?


I happen to like the plan ALOT. i think its a good move to get rosen, however i rather trade picks since we have so many. if we are going to trade shep(im ok with this too) i would do so for a 2 or 3 THIS year so when we trade #95 and lets say a 2020 3rd, we recoup a high pick this year and can use on WR.

now if you like haskins better than rosen, you have to take him at 6 and not slide back. personally i like the rosen idea, because it gives us a chance to address 3 positions with our 2 firsts and 1 second. then if rosen isnt good in locker room or doesnt perform well(after eli gets benched when eliminated from playoffs) then we can trade the house to move up for a 2020 QB as the potential last piece needed to a complete rebuild/retool


Some people are just easily irritated
RE: More on Rosen  
kelsto811 : 3/25/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14356426 Thegratefulhead said:
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Its more like the place of a 21-year-old college kid with a little too much money, said Rosen, who will make his second NFL start Sunday here against the 49ers.


Whatever it is, apparently its a place where Rosen has been inviting all of his Cardinals teammates on the offensive side of the ball long before coach Steve Wilks benched Sam Bradford and named Rosen the new starter. Hes been hosting extra film-study sessions there for weeks now, and everybody has been welcome.

He sure sounds like dick, bet the young guys on the team just hate a guy like this lol Rosen Article - ( New Window )


Nice find, I love the initiative.
RE: So  
Mike from SI : 3/25/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14356237 Joey in VA said:
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Explain this little line phrasing for me...."(he's my fourth overall prospect, BTW". Do you actually think anyone puts any stock in your ratings or rankings? Why do you hold yourself up as some scouting service or professional scout? Do you really think anyone besides you gives a flying fart about what YOUR rankings are? Why do you talk like this is your job and your opinion should be respected because you like to do this? Liking it isn't enough and you're not a scout or anything close to it.


This used to bother me about Anak's posts as well but now I just take them for what they are. This is what he likes to do in his spare time as a hobby--nothing more, nothing less. I don't think he's holding himself as anything more than a fan/hobbyist.
You aren't gettingRosen for a 3rd and SHephard  
giantstock : 3/25/2019 4:48 pm : link
ZOna doesn't give a crap about SHepahard.

And a late 3rd rd pick is hardly a sure thing.

Other teams will more than likely give a 1st or a low 2nd and another. You just don';t value Rosen, which is why you are skimming what you want to give up. You aren't close to getting him. Might as well say you are willing to give up a 6th rd pick.
A Plan of Nine  
Klaatu : 3/25/2019 5:22 pm : link
Anakim. I like your plan. Can it work? Why not?  
Marty in Albany : 3/25/2019 7:16 pm : link
It shows that there are a lot of possible ways of conducting the draft and free agency if you use a little imagination and business acumen.

I can only imagine the reception that your post would have gotten from BBIers two weeks ago, if you had suggested that we trade OBJ!!
RE: A Plan of Nine  
Anakim : 3/25/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14356539 Klaatu said:
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Klaatu barada nikto!
Nak you really get offf on the wrong foot with your plan on 2 accounts  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/25/2019 7:27 pm : link
1st stating you'd trade for Rosen rather than just draft Haskins at 6, even though you like Haskins more. Dumb.

2nd you're not gonna get Rosen for Shepard and a 3rd, simply ain't happening. Dumber.

I like signing Shelton and Boston, but there's a reason NO ONE has signed either yet - prolly their asking prices are too steep.
The idea of trading for Rosen is growing on me.  
George from PA : 3/26/2019 3:40 am : link
Only if the Giants grade on Rosen is similar to the QBs in the draft.

I suspect their 2nd would be the minimum cost. If the Giant have a decent grade, so will others (NE, Pitts, SD).

Now, if they go this route, no way do they target a QB next year. What Arizona is doing is a disaster. The Giants either hook their wagon to someone this year to be Eli sucesser or they don`t.

Finding a franchise QB is a crapshoot....but you need to play your hand.
Excellent work!!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/26/2019 8:43 am : link
I fancy myself to be pretty good at evaluating stock market dynamics, so I posted a theory on investorsrus.com about my favorite picks lately (I'm really on the Bitcoin train right now), and got blasted for not knowing what the fuck I was talking about.

Undeterred, I'm going to fire off a few more posts on my expertise, because it needs to be shared, dammit!!

You heard it hear first, but Enron will be bouncing back.....
I don't think Rosen ends up a Giant ....  
short lease : 3/26/2019 9:47 am : link
I have absolutely no evidence to support that statement - just a gut thing.
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