Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

if anyone goes to the depth chart on this site and peruses

plato : 3/25/2019 6:10 pm
the defense all talk of trading up for qb or RT should stop. the defense from nose to safety is scary awful. there are a few players here and there but depth and positional players are sorely lacking. If Beal backs up Jenkins the left corner is open to any street agent.

the giants know this and they are going to draft into the strength of this draft which is defense. lots of dlí dbís and lberís to choose from. We should draft at least 6 defensive players if not more if the draft falls right.

stop the senseless qb talk! itís not happening!
our screen names are so similiar  
Platos : 3/25/2019 6:14 pm : link
and I agree with you except i think an earlier pick(rd 1-3) should be spent on a OT.
QB talk  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 6:14 pm : link
is senseless, but you want 6 starters, on D, from one draft and at least two of those starters would be 4th round or later.

sounds reasonable.
this is a deep defensive draft and we need depth and in more than one  
plato : 3/25/2019 6:21 pm : link
round we have more than one pick.
RE: this is a deep defensive draft and we need depth and in more than one  
pjcas18 : 3/25/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14356594 plato said:
Quote:
round we have more than one pick.


So take defensive players where appropriate, but while you're perusing the roster, you may notice holes all over the place.

take good players, on either side of the ball, it's almost impossible to pick a player at a position where the Giants do not need help.
No question the draft needs to be heavy on D  
Pan-handler : 3/25/2019 6:32 pm : link
Starting with a dynamic pass rusher. But RT is a huge need (possibly the only glaring need on offense). All other 'needs' on offense are 'nice to haves' but not necessarily critical (of course this is highly subject to your assessment of Eli).

What's Not Scary About this Team?  
Jeffrey : 3/25/2019 6:34 pm : link
The defense is filled with holes. Take away the RB and the K and what about the offense gives you great comfort. We are old at QB, have gone out and added age to the WR corps, and are counting on a journeyman center, no one yet at RT and an LT who allegedly improved from awful to ok as the year progressed and the opponents got easier. All we've got to look forward to is the elusive and ever-changing "plan" of Gettleman. It's difficult to criticize that plan because no one really knows what it is and it will change tomorrow or the next day in response to the GM's mood of the moment.
Remmers is still unsigned. He's not a long term solution but should  
Ira : 3/25/2019 6:37 pm : link
help for a year or two if we can get him aboard.
If you have a 38 year old QB and a QB you love is there when you  
yatqb : 3/25/2019 6:43 pm : link
are picking you'd be foolish not to take him. This is a multi-year rebuild, and IMO you grab your offensive leader when you can, or risk never getting him.

Whether the QB they like is there is another story.
RE: Remmers is still unsigned. He's not a long term solution but should  
Diver_Down : 3/25/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14356609 Ira said:
Quote:
help for a year or two if we can get him aboard.


And the reason why is that he has a bad back. OL with bad backs don't get better. Our plans shouldn't be to incorporate a liability. We are already covered with a liability at RT in Wheeler. No need to double-down.
RE: Remmers is still unsigned. He's not a long term solution but should  
arcarsenal : 3/25/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14356609 Ira said:
Quote:
help for a year or two if we can get him aboard.


The medicals must not look great on him - I would think he'd be signed by now otherwise.
repeat after me  
GiantsFan84 : 3/25/2019 6:54 pm : link
they aren't winning shit this year. the draft can't be well our defense is bad so lets draft defense
Yeah let's not address the QB position  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2019 7:01 pm : link
that may be the long term answer because you don't like the current starting nose tackle and safeties. Apparently those two positions can't be addressed in free agency or with the other 11 picks.
Remmers medical could be the issue  
George from PA : 3/25/2019 7:03 pm : link
But....here is a theory

Maybe, the Giants and Remmers agree on a deal but want to wait until FA compensatory picks expire...so it does not effect the 3rd rd pick for losing Collins
RE: Remmers medical could be the issue  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14356643 George from PA said:
Quote:
But....here is a theory

Maybe, the Giants and Remmers agree on a deal but want to wait until FA compensatory picks expire...so it does not effect the 3rd rd pick for losing Collins

Remmers was released so he doesn't count towards the comp pick formula.
Plato  
idiotsavant : 3/25/2019 7:07 pm : link
You're not allowed to make so much sense. You must submit to 'the punishment'.
RE: Remmers medical could be the issue  
yatqb : 3/25/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14356643 George from PA said:
Quote:
But....here is a theory

Maybe, the Giants and Remmers agree on a deal but want to wait until FA compensatory picks expire...so it does not effect the 3rd rd pick for losing Collins


Remmers was released so he doesn't count against the comp formula.

I assume he's still recovering from the recent surgery, and that before we consider signing him we'll wait until he recovers to see whether he can still play effectively.
Fair enough  
George from PA : 3/25/2019 7:28 pm : link
Thanks for clarifying
No problemo.  
yatqb : 3/25/2019 7:29 pm : link
.
No!  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/25/2019 7:54 pm : link
The insanity is drafting for a position, or worse, group, while ignoring the rest of the available people. Draft the best player on your board. You draft the player!

By the way, the Giants' board is made taking need into account. All teams do it this way despite what you think. Therefore, if pick 17 comes around and there is an OT they had rated around 15 and the "defenders" are rated 20 or lower, you take the OT. If they have Haskins rated #1 and the available "defenders" rated at #6 or lower, they should take Haskins.

Also, keep in mind it's not going to happen for them this coming season. It's extremely unlikely. The 2020 season is when we will see if the rebuild, and it is a rebuild, will be effective. This doesn't mean SB for the 2020 season. It just means we will start to see if things are coming together as a whole team. 2019 draft, roughly $80 million to spend in 2020 FA, and the 2020 draft. Then we will really see what we have.
BPA and most athletically gifted choices are in this draft on the  
plato : 3/25/2019 9:10 pm : link
defensive side of the board, you donít not pick SB for a qb because you happen to need one. the DL in this draft is strong and deep. Secondary has good choices as well. I donít use term Edge Rusher because LT was an outside linebacker. but we need lbíers who can cover and rush the passer.

Anyway Giants with SB have a great running attack. Build the defense up now through this draft and you have the recipe for winning, some next season, but in a couple of years with a young gifted qb, a real contender.
The OP is wrong  
giantstock : 3/25/2019 10:40 pm : link
If the most important position on the football field is available and he is near BPA YOU TAKE HIM. DOn't think he is completely arguing that but it doesn't seem like he is defending it either. Sometimes I wonder if some (not necessarily the OP) just don't understand what "most important position on the football field" means.

Secondly, the price for OL went up BIG TIME this year. And quality OL aren't available in abundance. You have a lousy RT. You just want to ignore the position and wind up paying through the nose next FA or hope you get lucky with pot luck later in the draft?

Third-- wouldnt it be great to know leading into 2019 that you had built something for SB AND the next new QB?

You just can't ignore the OL early in the draft. It would require either too much luck or way of an overpay to fix it for next year -- and sometimes it takes a year for OLines to come together. So is that what you want for the new QB in 2020?
I like our nose and our safety  
since1925 : 3/25/2019 10:49 pm : link
Tomlinson and Peppers are both god players.
I like our nose and our safety  
since1925 : 3/25/2019 10:50 pm : link
Tomlinson and Peppers are both god players.
There are more needs on the defensive side  
Gregorio : 3/25/2019 11:57 pm : link
Of the ball, but QB is arguably a greater need than any of them. Where is the next QB coming from? Got to invest in it some way.
Good thread  
Rjanyg : 3/26/2019 8:03 am : link
Just because defense is the strength of the draft doesnít mean you pass up a future QB to select a defensive player. If anything it means that there will be quality into the 2nd and 3rd round with defensive players.

The needs on this team are plenty. I think we can all agree that the offense needs both a Right Tackle and a future QB to develop. The defense needs more pass rushers from both the edge and the 5 Tech. If things fall just right we might be able to address 3 of those positions with picks 6, 17 & 37.

Haskins, Burns and Risner would be good examples of players who should be available when we pick.

I would also think if DG likes a player available in early in round 3, he will trade up from 95 and get him, whether that is a DL, LB, WR or CB.

I think the goal of this draft is to come away with a QB, OT, Pass Rusher and maybe another starter.
I wonder..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/26/2019 8:30 am : link
if the issue with Remmers is that he walks badly?
You can give positional premium points to a QB  
Bill L : 3/26/2019 8:37 am : link
but there's no way in hell that Haskins comes anywhere close to the top 5 or 6 DL in this draft. If you just went by grade, he would be somewhere in the late teens at best. If you threw in the top 4 QBs form last year's draft or next year's draft, he falls into the second or third round.

SO how much of a premium do you really want to place on him?
I think people need to understand this  
blueblood : 3/26/2019 8:41 am : link
a QB affect your franchise more than any other position in the draft. Accept it, If they feel the value is there and the price is right they will move up to get a QB.. If they don't. They won't

Accept it.. That's just reality..
Pick by the inherent strengths of the draft  
JonC : 3/26/2019 8:45 am : link
At #6, it's likely to be defense. At #17, it appears OL will be in the mix.

Sitting here picking based on roster judgement alone isn't accurate either.
Remmers  
pjcas18 : 3/26/2019 8:51 am : link
was terrible last year, granted he was playing out of position, but he's not a good player.

He's probably similar to Wheeler at this point.

So many people on BBI latch on to a name and feel like the player will be a panacea. He won't. He sucks.
It doesn't matter what the Giants do at QB.  
Klaatu : 3/26/2019 9:23 am : link
It won't make a damned bit of difference who's under Center if they don't strengthen their offensive line.

As for their defense, I'm all for drafting an impact player or two, but as I've said repeatedly the best defense is still a good offense, and a good offense depends on a good offensive line.
The next year's draft QB theory...  
Dnew15 : 3/26/2019 9:40 am : link
is really hard for me to get behind. There hasn't been a slam dunk, no-doubt-about-it QB prospect in the draft since 2012 when Andrew Luck was drafted.

During the next college season, all these guys that are seemingly better than what's available this year will be looked at with a fine-toothed comb and then all of sudden, they aren't slam dunks anymore.

There have been plenty of good, playoff caliber starting QBs drafted since - but they all had warts come draft season.

You gotta take a shot at some point in replacing a franchise QB - if there's a guy that seems close - I think you got to go for it.

Sure, but IMO it's dangerous just to grab a guy simply because you can  
Bill L : 3/26/2019 9:47 am : link
By almost everyone's account here we will be close to the top of the draft because we will be so bad. There's a lot of QB's next year and, unlike this year, there will be some good ones. Since they've already committed to a QB this year, while there *is* pressure to get a QB soon, there's no real pressure to take one this year as opposed to next year at the expense of quality.
We have to be honest  
anon837 : 3/26/2019 9:55 am : link
This team is not competing this year and probably the next. They are in a rebuild and have massive holes up and down this roster. They have no identity and lack major talent. DG just has to build this team out, be it on offense, defense, or special teams. If a QB is to be had in the 1st RD or via trade, and they can see them as an heir apparent, then pull the trigger and keep moving. The organization was set back when they tried to execute the "win-now" strategy. They were trying to capture 2016 and it failed miserably. I can see this team making a strong bid for the playoffs in 2021 with a strong foundation of good drafts and the QB situation settled.
Back to the Corner