Mike Shula at Duke's Pro Day Today (Daniel Jones)

gives a lukewarm review back to coach...

what does that mean?

In comment 14356905 Rocky369 said:

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what does that mean?

There are league meetings going on in AZ - All of the owners & Coaches are there.

What does the Shurmur line mean?

Some type of league function?

I thought that was in FL and just for owners.

Thanks.

Shrager says the Giants are more interested in Drew Lock than Haskins. Lock is more athletic and a 4 year starter. Shrager is in Arizona as well.

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Meanwhile, HC Pat Shurmur will be at a breakfast table in Arizona, which I'm sure is the last place he wants to be with the pre-draft evaluation ongoing.

When a guy likes a green chile breakfast burrito he goes and gets a green chile burrito!

In comment 14356916 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: Meanwhile, HC Pat Shurmur will be at a breakfast table in Arizona, which I'm sure is the last place he wants to be with the pre-draft evaluation ongoing. When a guy likes a green chile breakfast burrito he goes and gets a green chile burrito!

Or a chocolate square cake at Amalie’s

In comment 14356911 Chris684 said:

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I thought that was in FL and just for owners. Thanks.

They rotate locations from year to year. All owners/GMs/HCs are there.

Not a huge problem, although not ideal.

You'd figure Duke would be smart enough to look at the league schedule before deciding on when to hold a pro day.

In comment 14356915 Chip said:

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Shrager says the Giants are more interested in Drew Lock than Haskins. Lock is more athletic and a 4 year starter. Shrager is in Arizona as well.

I could definitely see why teams would be more interested in Lock then Haskins. Does Schrager have any idea though? Has he ever broken news? Serious question.

Not some insight from team

If the Giants are taking a QB this year. I want it to be a surprise on draft day. I don't want to hear any leaks or stuff about who we love, and then someone jump us for the pick. I think we've all had enough of that under Reese.

over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film.

In comment 14356933 JonC said:

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over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film.

What round, iyo, Jon?

Ugh

defense at 6, Lock at 17, OL at 37...if that's how things would go

In comment 14356938 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14356933 JonC said: Quote: over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film. What round, iyo, Jon?

First.

Would really prefer they didn't pick him at 6, though. I'd think they have the draft capital necessary to move up from 17 if needed.

In comment 14356938 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14356933 JonC said: Quote: over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film. What round, iyo, Jon?

Lock is not getting out of the first. I’d be willing to bet he won’t make it past 15

I'm concerned that they pick him, tbh.

In comment 14356940 Chris684 said:

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Ugh

Just curious, why you don't want Lock?

In comment 14356942 ryanmkeane said:

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defense at 6, Lock at 17, OL at 37...if that's how things would go

Lock isn't falling to 17. He most likely won't get past the Broncos at 10. NFL teams are higher on him then the draft media is.

the Giants want Lock, Haskins, or Jones they'll have to take them at #6.

In comment 14356952 Big Rick in FL said:

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Lock isn't falling to 17. He most likely won't get past the Broncos at 10. NFL teams are higher on him then the draft media is.

In that case, just take him at 6

they'll probably need to pick him at #6. Their top edge players are probably gone by #6 anyway.

don't get cute and just pick him.

In comment 14356957 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 14356952 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Lock isn't falling to 17. He most likely won't get past the Broncos at 10. NFL teams are higher on him then the draft media is. In that case, just take him at 6

Yeah they should. It's better to get your QB and if you want a defensive player move up for him.

I like Lock a lot. His ceiling is really high. Like Mahomes/Rodgers type ceiling. Not sure he ever gets there. Similar style player. Haskins is a safer choice. So it just depends do you want the boom/bust guy who could possibly be a top 3 QB or do you want a high floor low ceiling who probably never makes it into that top 3-4 category?

If he's in love with Lock, he'd take him at 10 and he fits his "type".

But, the fact that he loves Lock would make me think twice about taking him, lol

is really good and engaging with the media. I will say that

In comment 14356964 JonC said:

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they'll probably need to pick him at #6. Their top edge players are probably gone by #6 anyway.

Still haven't heard anything about the QBs?

With our roster we have to spend our draft capital on players, not higher picks.

In comment 14356988 WillieYoung said:

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With our roster we have to spend our draft capital on players, not higher picks.

You think they're picking 12 players from this draft?

In comment 14356954 AcidTest said:

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the Giants want Lock, Haskins, or Jones they'll have to take them at #6.

Agree, plus if they are willing to take Haskins or Lock, really good chance one of them is there at 6, maybe both

In comment 14356992 Heisenberg said:

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You think they're picking 12 players from this draft?

I don't think it's a stretch of reality to suggest that there are 12 roster spots available. It's not like this roster is so good that they don't have the space for it. And it's not like they're in a situation where they don't have time to deal with rookie mistakes and growing pains.

In comment 14356915 Chip said:

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Shrager says the Giants are more interested in Drew Lock than Haskins. Lock is more athletic and a 4 year starter. Shrager is in Arizona as well.

Shula went to see Lock and Shurmur went to see Grier on their pro days read into that what you will .

In comment 14356978 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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If he's in love with Lock, he'd take him at 10 and he fits his "type". But, the fact that he loves Lock would make me think twice about taking him, lol

I hate to think that we may have to trade up with the Jets to get Lock. Elway loves Lock, and it wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade up ahead of us. I don't expect Elway to sit and wait for Lock to fall to him.

In comment 14356988 WillieYoung said:

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With our roster we have to spend our draft capital on players, not higher picks.

This isn't a "black or white" situation to say the least...lots of variables and, depending on the board at the time and the player involved, an argument can be made either way obviously.

In comment 14356981 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14356964 JonC said: Quote: they'll probably need to pick him at #6. Their top edge players are probably gone by #6 anyway. Still haven't heard anything about the QBs?

I just shared it.

In comment 14356995 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14356992 Heisenberg said: Quote: You think they're picking 12 players from this draft? I don't think it's a stretch of reality to suggest that there are 12 roster spots available. It's not like this roster is so good that they don't have the space for it. And it's not like they're in a situation where they don't have time to deal with rookie mistakes and growing pains.

Sure. That could be an approach, I suppose. But I find it hard to square with what we've heard from Gettleman about winning while we rebuild and also his notorious confidence level in his own drafting skills. To me, he's gonna see a guy he likes and move up to get him. He's not a trade back guy. He's a "I'm a genius and see that dude is a stud and I'm gonna get him now" guy.

Additionally, if they really intend to get a QB then all those picks are available to get the next ten+ year starter.

So while I think they *could* draft players with all those picks. I'll be shocked if they actually do.

I believe he is a fan. When him and Glazer talk they should be listened to. I do believe however that we may finally be getting the smokescreen game. The Giants seem to be all over the place which is a good thing.

Talent wise he is the best QB in the draft. He’s a special talent but I am a little worried about him between the ears. He’s like a more accurate Josh Allen with a little less arm strength.

In comment 14357002 JonC said:

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In comment 14356981 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 14356964 JonC said: Quote: they'll probably need to pick him at #6. Their top edge players are probably gone by #6 anyway. Still haven't heard anything about the QBs? I just shared it.

Jon, so are you saying NYG likes Lock the best of the QB's? I am good with that as I like Lock a little more than Haskins and almost as much as trading for Rosen.

The Giants like Lock > Haskins > Jones. Which makes me happy even though I would prefer Haskins. Lock has the highest upside and we have a HC who is known for his work with QB’s. Sounds like a wise gamble.

In comment 14356933 JonC said:

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over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film.

Lock has characteristics that better fit the ideal QB that Shurmur would want. But Haskins has shown even in one year more consistency play to play than Lock ever did.

Lock is the higher boom bust guy.

"i'm gonna put this team on my back" demeanor that Haskins doesn't appear to have as of this moment. Can't say it won't be there in the long run...but i just think it's apparent with Lock right now

In comment 14357006 Jay on the Island said:

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Talent wise he is the best QB in the draft. He’s a special talent but I am a little worried about him between the ears. He’s like a more accurate Josh Allen with a little less arm strength.

It’s not about the physical stuff with Lock, though I don’t think anyone loves him having smaller hands when he’ll be playing in some real cold weather games at MetLife and in Philly, for example. That’s where the bigger hands come into play.

Rather, it’s more mental. He takes a long time to read the field and go through his progressions. 4 year starter or not - and he only played one year in a pro style offense - he looked very slow in making reads when I watched him. He also didn’t seem to be able to get his team into hurry up mode well, possibly because he was still learning the offense. Basically, there was something missing.

Guys can have all the physical talent in the world. But none of it will matter without the ability to read the field at an NFL caliber level.

Regardless of what you think of Haskins, I saw a guy who read the field very well. He manipulated safeties with his eyes. He worked through progressions. And all this as a first year starter. I know the naysayers are going to say he had more time to do that stuff, but Haskins was elite, IMO.

has a higher ceiling than any other QB. But he also has a lower floor.

Don't have a sense on Jones yet. No Rosen.

In comment 14356938 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14356933 JonC said: Quote: over Haskins is out there, more upside, more demonstrated on his college film. What round, iyo, Jon?

I rather hear that than Grier or Jones.