Drew Lock: There will be WFAN hysteria and message-board debates about this pick leading right up until the card is turned in. I do think the Giants will go quarterback, but not the guy everyone has pegged to them. Lock wowed folks at the Senior Bowl, has a ton of moxie and can rip it. Make no mistake: The fans may not agree with the choice. But I see Lock as a Giants quarterback before Dwayne Haskins. The "Kansas City model" plays out, and it's Eli passing the torch to the former Missouri Tiger, not the Ohio State Buckeye.
Clelin Ferrell: The leader of that loaded Clemson defensive line, Ferrell is one of the more decorated players in the entire draft, winning two national titles, notching a first-team All-ACC selection and the Ted Hendricks Award (college football's top defensive end). In 2018, he had 19.5 tackles for a loss, 11.5 sacks, four pass breakups and three forced fumbles. New York gets the edge rusher the Giants' unit so desperately needs.
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is there at 6, no way the should take Lock over him, when you very well could get Lock at 17 or trade up from there a little to secure him. I think BBI would have melt down if they did that.
Agree that 6 seems quite early for Lock. Will be doing a bunch of other GM's a big favor. Classic Gettleman move.
The problem is if you like Lock, he's not lasting until the 17th pick. If one of the stud ERs is gone, while drafting Lock at 6 might be a little early, you have to pull the trigger at 6 if he's the guy you like
Like Mayfield going #1 overall?
Or Denzel Ward #4?
Says who??? Not one of us knows what ANY of the NFL teams think of the QB's this year.. Hell, nobody had Mayfield going #1 until the day before the draft. The debate about Rosen and Darnold, with Allen last didn't play out either.
For all we know Lock is considered the best prospect by a number of teams.. I like his arm and release and he is more mobile than Haskins..
Also his ability to throw under pressure leaves alot to be desired. Everything seems to fall apart , I don't see the decision making under pressure that I do with Haskins.
Now is it fixable? That is the multi million dollar question.
Haskins is by far the safer pick with still a pretty high ceiling.
This would piss me off. Let’s pass up the best player in the draft for a developmental qb. I’d wouldn’t even use 17 in Lock.
We don't win, so it doesn't apply.
KC won with Alex Smith under a great coach. Who then came to senses and jettisoned Smith for the phenom.
What goes around comes around. Youre sick of "KC Model," and we're sick of "Jints Central."
We don't win, so it doesn't apply.
KC won with Alex Smith under a great coach. Who then came to senses and jettisoned Smith for the phenom.
Who said it was revolutionary? It's just the most recent which is what Gettleman was referring. It's much easier to say KC model than draft a QB in round 1 to sit behind a veteran for one year then make the transition to the rookie and jettison the veteran in year two.
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I like Lock and I like him at 6 but not if Williams is available.
If it plays out like that, I would go Williams at 6 and Sweat at 17, RT at 37. Try to get Rosen with our 3rd and a sweetener from 2020.
For Q.Will....man...take him and then use 17 and 37 to move up to take one of Lock or Haskins. Or even better trade for Rosen. I hate giving up 37 but for Q.Will ...the kid is Special.
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I like Lock and I like him at 6 but not if Williams is available.
If it plays out like that, I would go Williams at 6 and Sweat at 17, RT at 37. Try to get Rosen with our 3rd and a sweetener from 2020.
Sweat isnt making 17. Ferguson probably. Clelin Ferrel possibly.
Very strange if Lock is your #1 guy.
Lock, Ferrell in round 1 with Risner in round 2. Sign me up.
Very strange if Lock is your #1 guy.
Why strange? Shula was hired because Shurmur trusts his input.
We don't win, so it doesn't apply.
KC won with Alex Smith under a great coach. Who then came to senses and jettisoned Smith for the phenom.
LOL. I think Francesa (and I'm sure others have) pointed out that KC won something like 23 games in the previous two seasons before the kid took over. The Giants have won 8 games the last two seasos.
I don't like the idea of moving up in this draft for a QB as it would likely be too costly. But can you imagine if 3 QB's went in the top 5 before we pick AND say BOSA was there at #6?I think Bosa and Williams are rookie studs on any team and having a shot at either would be mind-boggling.
If the Giants do take Lock at say #4 via trade or at #6 cause he is there, as a fan, you just pray the kid is the real deal. I like the idea of Lock sitting for say 10 to 12 games, and when the Giants are mathematically "out of the playoff hunt" you let this kid start and get a taste of game speed.
However, I admit I'd rather the draft fall crazy and we get #6 Bosa or Williams; #17 Hockenson or D. White (can you imagine if he fell for any reason....).
I can imagine.... LOL
Now I suspect I was dead wrong about that.
I think they are going to take the darn QB and 6, and I don't like it.
And welcome back Klaatu!
Agreed. Q Williams if he falls (doubtful) wouldn't make it pass the Giants.
I don't like the idea of moving up in this draft for a QB as it would likely be too costly. But can you imagine if 3 QB's went in the top 5 before we pick AND say BOSA was there at #6?I think Bosa and Williams are rookie studs on any team and having a shot at either would be mind-boggling.
If the Giants do take Lock at say #4 via trade or at #6 cause he is there, as a fan, you just pray the kid is the real deal. I like the idea of Lock sitting for say 10 to 12 games, and when the Giants are mathematically "out of the playoff hunt" you let this kid start and get a taste of game speed.
However, I admit I'd rather the draft fall crazy and we get #6 Bosa or Williams; #17 Hockenson or D. White (can you imagine if he fell for any reason....).
I can imagine.... LOL
I think this is where you say let's go get Josh Rosen and STILL end up with a STUD blue-chip defender in this draft.
No Blue Goose For You.
No Blue Goose For You.
Not a fan of Andre Dillard? We could plug him at RT until the wheels fall off Solder.
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and Haskins fit the Giants Model more so then Locke does. Locke seems more like a Gruden guy.
So what exactly is that model?
I kind of like like this Giants model myself.
Probably not worthy at 6 then who you think are the players
In the mix at 6. Respecting your opinion you said Oliver might not
be in mix bc his position as well
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and Haskins fit the Giants Model more so then Locke does. Locke seems more like a Gruden guy.
So what exactly is that model?
I kind of like like this Giants model myself.
That's not her, but wasn't there an aspiring porn actress (self-titled "Giants Girl or something like that) that was a short-lived BBI member?
No Blue Goose For You.
Hey, Jon.
I might agree about #6, but absolutely not with #17, and there's no way I'd wait until #37 (assuming no trade-ups or anything) to begin addressing the deficiencies on the O-Line.
My assumption is that Murray, Haskins, Allen, Q. Williams and Bosa go 1-5, then we have a tough decision. Do we grab an elite ILB in White, do we have a high enough grade on Jonah Williams for 6? I doubt it. And again the teams' rankings almost always differ from the pundits and general consensus of rankings. I think it's an absolute LOCK that Murray, Bosa, Allen and Q. Williams go 1-4 in some order then business picks up.
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Good to see you posting. There's probably no OL worth the pick at #6, and even #17 is suspect.
No Blue Goose For You.
Hey, Jon.
I might agree about #6, but absolutely not with #17, and there's no way I'd wait until #37 (assuming no trade-ups or anything) to begin addressing the deficiencies on the O-Line.
BPA.
Yes. I said that in another thread about #6. However, sometimes you have to strike a balance between BPA and Need. We're way past 1981.
That's not her, but wasn't there an aspiring porn actress (self-titled "Giants Girl or something like that) that was a short-lived BBI member?
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I would be surprised to see that as very few people have Lock as a better prospect than Haskins. That's the kind of outlier view that rarely plays out in the draft.
Like Mayfield going #1 overall?
Or Denzel Ward #4?
Mayfield was the best QB in the draft and the "he's too short" and "he's another Manzel" and "the Big 12 defenses suck' crowd drowned out. So no, that's not the same as Locke who, doesn't have the anywhere near the kind of on field performances as Murray or Haskins or Mayfield. Could they take him? Sure. Would it be a shock. Yes.
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The Ringer (multiple lists within)
ESPN (Kiper and McShay)
It was a closer call last year for sure. That's why I think Lock is a reach as I don't think he's grouped with Murray and Haskins. People are talking about him being available in the teens. The 4th QB last year was taken at 10, right?
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but most of the experts had at least Darnold ahead of him, if not Rosen and Allen too, as pro-prospects:
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ESPN (Kiper and McShay)
It was a closer call last year for sure. That's why I think Lock is a reach as I don't think he's grouped with Murray and Haskins. People are talking about him being available in the teens. The 4th QB last year was taken at 10, right?
Stop listening to the media. Especially a month out. NFL teams most of the time have completely different opinions of the players then the media does.
Stop listening to the media. Especially a month out. NFL teams most of the time have completely different opinions of the players then the media does.
Look, none of us know anything for real just like the media. This is a discussion board, remember?
I can't remember exactly. But I think she came here for a purpose (attention-whore or click on her site or something). My recollection is that we ran her off through sheer and intense mockery, but I could be mistaken.
Your HC is a renowned developer of QBs, so that's a match.