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Kim Jones: Almost Certain Giants Take a Defensive Player

Anakim : 3/26/2019 11:48 am
Kimberly Jones
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Pat Shurmur on picking 6th: #NYG want “best player on the board at that time. If they do fit a need, that’s ideal.”
My take: It’s almost certain in this draft that 6th-best player will be a defensive player. We’ll see...
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Does this mean the Giants will draft an offensive player?  
Ira : 3/26/2019 12:05 pm : link
Sorry Kim. I couldn't resist.
How did she eliminate QB based on that comment?  
ZogZerg : 3/26/2019 12:06 pm : link
LOL.

Really reaching with this one.
just in  
mdthedream : 3/26/2019 12:16 pm : link
"Sooner better than later," Shurmur said at the NFL Owners meetings on Tuesday when asked about finding a quarterback to succeed Manning, via Paul Schwartz.
Love me some Kim Jones  
mfsd : 3/26/2019 12:16 pm : link
but feels like she’s throwing darts to try and re-establish her Giants credibility
Jesus  
UConn4523 : 3/26/2019 12:17 pm : link
1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.
That said  
mdthedream : 3/26/2019 12:18 pm : link
I have no problem with the Giants taking a Dlineman or top LB. Edge rusher at 6. If the Giants like 4 QBs than take one at 17 or trade up a little.
She really  
BigBlueJ : 3/26/2019 12:19 pm : link
lost me after the OBJ love fest, and I am a OBJ fan. But anyway it looks like Drew Lock is passing DH on the watch list.
RE: How did she eliminate QB based on that comment?  
PatersonPlank : 3/26/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14357362 ZogZerg said:
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LOL.

Really reaching with this one.


There is no QB rated in the top 10 for BPA. In fact the last rankings I have seen have QB's at 13 (Murray), 20 (Haskins), 23 Lock, and 35 (Jones).
Its inconceivable  
Pep22 : 3/26/2019 12:20 pm : link
to me that any team would ever disclose anything truthfully in terms of their personnel decision intentions
RE: If Giants want the best d player  
SGMen : 3/26/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14357347 Giantimistic said:
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I hope they make everyone think they want qb so the Jets and Bucs trade back to teams that want one. 3 qbs in top 5 would be great if the Giants weren’going to choose one.
It would be EPIC if Murray, Haskins and Lock went Top 5 as their are 3, even 4 premier DL's in this draft:

1. Bosa
2. R. Williams
3. J. Allen
4. E. Oliver
5. Sweat (perhaps...)

Assuming Bosa and Allen are gone, if R. Williams is there at 6 how can you not just jump up and down with joy?

If we were to draft two solid defensive players (R. Williams, C. Ferrel) in the first round you'd have to be very happy. You can never have enough pass rushers.
RE: RE: How did she eliminate QB based on that comment?  
ZogZerg : 3/26/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14357405 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14357362 ZogZerg said:


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LOL.

Really reaching with this one.



There is no QB rated in the top 10 for BPA. In fact the last rankings I have seen have QB's at 13 (Murray), 20 (Haskins), 23 Lock, and 35 (Jones).


Says Who?
Have you seen the Giants big board.
Stop with this nonsense that the ratings you list are used by all teams.
RE: Its inconceivable  
GFAN52 : 3/26/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14357410 Pep22 said:
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to me that any team would ever disclose anything truthfully in terms of their personnel decision intentions


Lying season and misdirection at work.
.  
GiantEgo : 3/26/2019 12:24 pm : link
I don't understand the need to make constant predictions. Don't they know how silly they all sound? Just cover what's actually happening that would be a novel approach!
Has anyone  
crick n NC : 3/26/2019 12:25 pm : link
Mentioned that she was wrong about Beckham being traded?

Thanks
RE: Jesus  
mfsd : 3/26/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:
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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.


Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird
Put all the noise and other distractions to the side.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/26/2019 12:32 pm : link
Examine the roster and it will tell you where they are likely to go.

The pass rush remains a major deficiency. The signing of Golden is a replacement for Vernon but hardly constitutes a solution to the problem. The team lacks sufficient cap space to sign any pass rushers of consequence but its not clear there is anyone else still out there.

75 percent chance that the #6 pick is a DL/ER. Maybe White at LB but probably not

Can't completely discount Haskins but the chess pieces tell
me the pick is going to be a defensive player.
RE: Hope so if it is BPA.  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/26/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14357355 TMS said:
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As DG said last year we will take the BPAs that fall to the g Giants in the draft. Just like last year. No need picks.


How does DG defend the Lauletta pick? He sure didn’t appear to be BPA.
RE: RE: Hope so if it is BPA.  
Bill L : 3/26/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14357450 Mdgiantsfan said:
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As DG said last year we will take the BPAs that fall to the g Giants in the draft. Just like last year. No need picks.



How does DG defend the Lauletta pick? He sure didn’t appear to be BPA.


Actually, according to both DG and PS, he was.
Like Kim  
ryanmkeane : 3/26/2019 12:36 pm : link
but she's been all over the place lately
RE: RE: Jesus  
UConn4523 : 3/26/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14357436 mfsd said:
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In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:


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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.



Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird


That's great, but people can't seem to get over it. It has nothing to do with anything else she's done which has for the most part been of high quality.

This particular "report" sounds like her opinion based on Shurmurs comments, coupled with the amount of high quality defensive players that will be available and our awful pass rush.
If we take best Defensive Player at #6  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/26/2019 12:38 pm : link
With #17 and a boatload of other picks.... we could move back up into the early teens or top 10 and grab the QB too
If it is BPA at 6  
Chip : 3/26/2019 12:39 pm : link
It will be defense because there are no Offensive players in the top 6 unless you count the OT Taylor.
RE: She really  
Pan-handler : 3/26/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14357404 BigBlueJ said:
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lost me after the OBJ love fest, and I am a OBJ fan. But anyway it looks like Drew Lock is passing DH on the watch list.


About this time last year some also thought that Chubb was being ranked over Barkley.

RE: RE: Its inconceivable  
Pep22 : 3/26/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14357422 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 14357410 Pep22 said:


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to me that any team would ever disclose anything truthfully in terms of their personnel decision intentions



Lying season and misdirection at work.


Let's hope. Sometimes I doubt this regime's ability to be savvy.
Really hard to envision  
Gjfro : 3/26/2019 12:46 pm : link
Giants not taking Haskins if he's there...unless Rosen deal is done...otherwise D for sure
RE: RE: Jesus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/26/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14357436 mfsd said:
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In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:


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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.



Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird


I don't think that's reasonable at all. Kim's been covering the team for years. The job of being a beat writer requires building relationships with people. That's how you actually get people to talk to you. She had a working relationship with the Yankees when she covered them too. And she has the same working relationship with Saquon Barkley given that she covered his career heavily.
RE: RE: She was also  
santacruzom : 3/26/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14357340 bradshaw44 said:
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Positive Beckham would not be traded



Was just thinking this.


Yeah, but so was nearly everybody else.
They want the best player  
allstarjim : 3/26/2019 1:01 pm : link
So if PS is telling the truth, and the team believes as I do and most others do that the QBs in the draft will not have a top 6 grade in this class, then my guess would be Ed Oliver.

I'm assuming Bosa, Allen, Quinnen Williams are all off the board, and assuming that Arizona is going to take Murray.

RE: RE: How did she eliminate QB based on that comment?  
djm : 3/26/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14357405 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14357362 ZogZerg said:


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LOL.

Really reaching with this one.



There is no QB rated in the top 10 for BPA. In fact the last rankings I have seen have QB's at 13 (Murray), 20 (Haskins), 23 Lock, and 35 (Jones).


Says who? Some make believe scout?

None of these mock drafts, website rankings or player lists matter. Last year, every year, we see players picked much higher and lower than what the make believe scouts predicted. BBI hysteria ensues. Lessons never learned. Rinse and repeat.

Baker mayfield says hi. He wasn’t even on the radar yet this time last year. Now he’s firmly established as the former first pick who has more production and potential than any other qb drafted last year.

RE: If it is BPA at 6  
djm : 3/26/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14357461 Chip said:
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It will be defense because there are no Offensive players in the top 6 unless you count the OT Taylor.


See my last post
last night on NFL Network...  
BillKo : 3/26/2019 1:21 pm : link
..they had us taking the Ole Miss WR at 6, and QB Jones at 17.

No way they are going two offensive players in the first round.
Well it's a 50/50 chance she is right  
JohnB : 3/26/2019 1:26 pm : link
plus the Giants weakness is the defense and the strength of the draft is defense. So it might be a good guess that the Giants are going defense.

RE: last night on NFL Network...  
Pep22 : 3/26/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14357555 BillKo said:
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..they had us taking the Ole Miss WR at 6, and QB Jones at 17.

No way they are going two offensive players in the first round.


I am not sure which is the worst of those scenarios:

1) Replacing Eli who is even worse
2) Not getting a defensive player or RT
3) Getting a raw WR at pick 6 due to a combine performance
RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
mfsd : 3/26/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14357489 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:


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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.



Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird



I don't think that's reasonable at all. Kim's been covering the team for years. The job of being a beat writer requires building relationships with people. That's how you actually get people to talk to you. She had a working relationship with the Yankees when she covered them too. And she has the same working relationship with Saquon Barkley given that she covered his career heavily.


I don’t ever recall her (and really can’t think of any other writers/media people) tweeting emotional missives to a recently traded player for any NY team in any sport the way she did with OBJ
This is fantastic news  
RinR : 3/26/2019 1:51 pm : link
if she is right.
RE: It pains me to say this  
Jay in Toronto : 3/26/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14357321 bceagle05 said:
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but my future wife Kim Jones has been on a bit of a cold streak lately with our Giants.


Does that include saying Yes to your proposal??

;)
Can the Giants send her to Cleveland too?  
arniefez : 3/26/2019 2:03 pm : link
Humorless, uptight egomaniac would fit right in there with their new WR.
Well she has a 50/50 chance of being right.  
fredgbrown : 3/26/2019 2:14 pm : link
....
RE: Well she has a 50/50 chance of being right.  
Anakim : 3/26/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14357640 fredgbrown said:
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Hey, maybe we'll go all Al Davis and take a K
RE: Well it's a 50/50 chance she is right  
Anakim : 3/26/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14357563 JohnB said:
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plus the Giants weakness is the defense and the strength of the draft is defense. So it might be a good guess that the Giants are going defense.


She should play Roulette
so that means  
giantsFC : 3/26/2019 3:08 pm : link
they draft 5 straight offensive players going by her insider expertise of late.

And then she will write a story about how nice those defensive players who didn't get drafted were to her.
BTW  
Leg of Theismann : 3/26/2019 3:14 pm : link
Anyone who ever says "Giants don't usually use misdirection"... what the hell do you know? This regime is only in its 2nd year and last year we had the #2 overall pick. No need for misdirection when you're picking 2nd and the team ahead of you is 100% likely to take a QB (i.e. not Barkley). When picking #6 though there could be all sorts of misdirection at work. It would actually be silly and unprofessional to not be discrete/mis-directional.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/26/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14357591 mfsd said:
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In comment 14357436 mfsd said:


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In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:


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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.



Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird



I don't think that's reasonable at all. Kim's been covering the team for years. The job of being a beat writer requires building relationships with people. That's how you actually get people to talk to you. She had a working relationship with the Yankees when she covered them too. And she has the same working relationship with Saquon Barkley given that she covered his career heavily.



I don’t ever recall her (and really can’t think of any other writers/media people) tweeting emotional missives to a recently traded player for any NY team in any sport the way she did with OBJ


Is your issue with it that it happened so publicly?

Jay Glazer and Michael Strahan were best friends when he was an active player. Strahan certainly fed Glazer stories when he wrote for the Post. Glazer wrote Strahan's book with him and presented him at the hall of fame.

Media personalities and players are close all the time. When you're a regular beat writer you're essentially co-workers.
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mfsd : 3/26/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14357834 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14357489 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 14357436 mfsd said:


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In comment 14357398 UConn4523 said:


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1 prediction she got wrong and its all you people seem to care about. Who's batting 1.000 these days?

She's more plugged in than most, the Beckham thing doesn't change that.



Yeah, but...her emotional investment in the OBJ story (and in OBJ in general) could reasonably be described as weird



I don't think that's reasonable at all. Kim's been covering the team for years. The job of being a beat writer requires building relationships with people. That's how you actually get people to talk to you. She had a working relationship with the Yankees when she covered them too. And she has the same working relationship with Saquon Barkley given that she covered his career heavily.



I don’t ever recall her (and really can’t think of any other writers/media people) tweeting emotional missives to a recently traded player for any NY team in any sport the way she did with OBJ



Is your issue with it that it happened so publicly?

Jay Glazer and Michael Strahan were best friends when he was an active player. Strahan certainly fed Glazer stories when he wrote for the Post. Glazer wrote Strahan's book with him and presented him at the hall of fame.

Media personalities and players are close all the time. When you're a regular beat writer you're essentially co-workers.


I’ve always been a Kim Jones fan. I really appreciated how emotional she was over the Paterno/Penn State issue, as a proud Penn State alum she loves the place, but didn’t blindly defend it either.

I just found the way she boldly guaranteed OBJ wouldn’t be traded, then got so emotional when it happened kinda weird, that’s all.
The thread title doesn't match  
eclipz928 : 3/26/2019 5:46 pm : link
the quote from Kim Jones. What she actually said is not really arguable - that the 6th best available player in the draft will be a defensive player. She's suggesting that this will be the player that the Giants select only IF what Shurmur is saying right now holds up.
RE: And  
DavidinBMNY : 3/26/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14357318 jeffro1 said:
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Odell is not getting traded...
Agree, means nothing.

I would love if they did. When is the last time in the top 10 they picked a defensive player? Was that Cedric Jones?
RE: RE: And  
GiantGolfer : 3/26/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14358271 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 14357318 jeffro1 said:


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Odell is not getting traded...

Agree, means nothing.

I would love if they did. When is the last time in the top 10 they picked a defensive player? Was that Cedric Jones?


2016
RE: The thread title doesn't match  
Milton : 3/26/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14358137 eclipz928 said:
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the quote from Kim Jones. What she actually said is not really arguable - that the 6th best available player in the draft will be a defensive player. She's suggesting that this will be the player that the Giants select only IF what Shurmur is saying right now holds up.
No, that's also not really what she is really saying. She is saying that if the Giants use Mel Kiper's draft board to make their pick, it will be almost certainly be a defensive player they select.
p.s.--Kim Jones is not a scout and unlike her sources, she doesn't even play one on TV. So she is making a presumptuous (dare I say arrogant?) statement based on the opinions of people who are in it for clickbait, not in it to build an actual football team.
The only thing that's referenced in her tweet  
eclipz928 : 3/26/2019 9:12 pm : link
Is the quote from Pat Shurmur, who states that it would be ideal to take the best player available.

The majority of people you will find that have graded out the prospects of this draft have the top 6 players consisting of almost entirely defensive players.

There's really nothing to take away from this tweet - it wasn't meant to be a prediction.
Change thread title and remove word “defensive”  
Jimmy Googs : 3/26/2019 9:16 pm : link
and everything should be fine...

Good?
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