shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Come on, really? The receiver had to slow up to catch the can-of-corn.
This is not a first round talent...I just don't see arm wise...
I agree... the beginning he was hitting those in stride perfect placement, but he has been short on some and losing some. Looks like getting a little tired maybe.
shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
timing offense because that arm is not made for the long game in the NFL.
Which is what we run. Look at our offensive personnel...Engram, Barkley, Tate.
With our offense the first thing I'm looking at is the guy's feet. The mold for the next QB, IMO, isn't a big strong arm...I'm looking for Rich Gannon or Alex Smith. A guy that's going to be accurate to the backs and TEs.
shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Wait until he faces the Meadowlands winds with those passes.
They keep going back to these checks to help him reset his accuracy...
It works some... After they do that he is cleaner and throwing nice passes. Why is he getting tired though? Maybe tryign to put to much in every throw could also explain the wobble some.
It works some... After they do that he is cleaner and throwing nice passes. Why is he getting tired though? Maybe tryign to put to much in every throw could also explain the wobble some.
I agree - I wonder if nervousness/anxiety is impacting performance...
Rich Gannon and Alex Smith had really good NFL careers Â
I could say Joe Montana type traits, but I'm not going to compare anyone to Joe Montana.
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
I could say Joe Montana type traits, but I'm not going to compare anyone to Joe Montana.
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
Trust me, some of these throws are not going to work in the NFL. Jones is solid between 5 and 15 yards. Beyond that, there is diminishing returns...
Unfortunately, because I don’t like Jones, is under Shurmur, the deep ball isn’t quite as important as it was under Gilbride and McAdoo. His system features a shorter passing game, with crossing routes, quick outs and curls. He doesn’t seem to force the ball deep, so they may take mechanics and accuracy at a more important clip than arm strength
You could say that right now about Brees and Brady today...5 to 15 yards is where the game is. That's where the bread is buttered, especially with our offense.
All of these QBs are imperfect; I wouldn't draft any of them in round 1. But if has to be one of them, I probably go with Jones.
But he's pretty much the guy whose name pops into your head when you think of game manager QBs. Smart, doesn't make mistakes that hurt you, but can't throw downfield and make big plays when you need your QB to step up and carry the offense.
Clearly the least impressive throwing display against his peers - Lock, Haskins, and Murray. There are serious limitations with what you could do with a playbook - in my judgment. Looked solid with throws from 5 to about 20 yards. But at 20+, the talent doesn't hold up...
On the plus side, he is certainly a good looking athlete. That forty time was impressive.
But he's pretty much the guy whose name pops into your head when you think of game manager QBs. Smart, doesn't make mistakes that hurt you, but can't throw downfield and make big plays when you need your QB to step up and carry the offense.
Not what I'd want in a first round QB.
I'd be surprised if any of these guys has a career as accomplished as Alex Smith's.
Some perspective is needed here. Eli is one of the best players in Giants' history...the next guy isn't likely to be in his class.
You could say that right now about Brees and Brady today...5 to 15 yards is where the game is. That's where the bread is buttered, especially with our offense.
All of these QBs are imperfect; I wouldn't draft any of them in round 1. But if has to be one of them, I probably go with Jones.
Totally agree that none in this crop warrants a first round investment.
I easily have Finley over Jones.
RE: Rich Gannon and Alex Smith had really good NFL careers Â
I could say Joe Montana type traits, but I'm not going to compare anyone to Joe Montana.
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
Haskins’ passes with greater anticipation and accuracy than Jones.
was embarrassing. The receiver was waiting to catch it while answering a text...
I think that was the idea. Before the throw (this happened a few times) he waved to put the WR in place, then threw it to him while the WR was stationary. I think he was just trying to give some of those guys a little breather.
Meadowlands wind will kill those types of passes.
You beat me to it...
Imagine if this workout was outside with some wind...
haskins is the best pure passer in the draft
jones moves well and is accurate
lock has a big arm and can move but has some accuracy issues
murray is very skilled all around but worry about him holding up
they all bring something unique i guess...
Yeah but what about Haskins?
I'm sure I will get killed for this, but I don't think Haskins is very athletic.
Wait??? You're not there?? ;)
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Yeah but what about Haskins?
I'm sure I will get killed for this, but I don't think Haskins is very athletic.
Why would you get killed... he isn't.
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
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shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Come on, really? The receiver had to slow up to catch the can-of-corn.
This is not a first round talent...I just don't see arm wise...
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That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Come on, really? The receiver had to slow up to catch the can-of-corn.
This is not a first round talent...I just don't see arm wise...
I agree... the beginning he was hitting those in stride perfect placement, but he has been short on some and losing some. Looks like getting a little tired maybe.
They keep going back to these checks to help him reset his accuracy...
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That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Come on, really? The receiver had to slow up to catch the can-of-corn.
This is not a first round talent...I just don't see arm wise...
yea his arm is lacking i agree. he has great placement though medium range.
haskins is a superior passer for sure
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Which is what we run. Look at our offensive personnel...Engram, Barkley, Tate.
With our offense the first thing I'm looking at is the guy's feet. The mold for the next QB, IMO, isn't a big strong arm...I'm looking for Rich Gannon or Alex Smith. A guy that's going to be accurate to the backs and TEs.
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shows and it wobbles some times, but man this long throws are on time full stride accurate.... Is this normal for him? Most accurate of all the QBs I have seen so far on Pro days.
That was a wounded duck...
WTF are these studio hosts watching?!?
def a little wobbly but accurate and that was quite a throw....around 55 yards
Wait until he faces the Meadowlands winds with those passes.
This is not a first round talent...I just don't see arm wise...
yea his arm is lacking i agree. he has great placement though medium range.
haskins is a superior passer for sure
Agreed - Haskins is the better thrower.
Big, Athletic , Smart QBs with below average arm strength.
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his throws are getting not as accurate.
They keep going back to these checks to help him reset his accuracy...
It works some... After they do that he is cleaner and throwing nice passes. Why is he getting tired though? Maybe tryign to put to much in every throw could also explain the wobble some.
You know, for a guy who boils everything down to "Did this guy win?", it's odd to see you mention two QBs who never won anything as your prototype.
Big, Athletic , Smart QBs with below average arm strength.
Very similar.
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How is Jones that much different than Lauletta?
Big, Athletic , Smart QBs with below average arm strength.
Very similar.
That is what I see too but obviously I am not scout. I really hope he isnt the Giants pick for the QB of the future
It works some... After they do that he is cleaner and throwing nice passes. Why is he getting tired though? Maybe tryign to put to much in every throw could also explain the wobble some.
I agree - I wonder if nervousness/anxiety is impacting performance...
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
Aren't they camping out down there?
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
Trust me, some of these throws are not going to work in the NFL. Jones is solid between 5 and 15 yards. Beyond that, there is diminishing returns...
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was embarrassing. The receiver was waiting to catch it while answering a text...
Aren't they camping out down there?
They are.
All of these QBs are imperfect; I wouldn't draft any of them in round 1. But if has to be one of them, I probably go with Jones.
Not what I'd want in a first round QB.
Clearly the least impressive throwing display against his peers - Lock, Haskins, and Murray. There are serious limitations with what you could do with a playbook - in my judgment. Looked solid with throws from 5 to about 20 yards. But at 20+, the talent doesn't hold up...
On the plus side, he is certainly a good looking athlete. That forty time was impressive.
Not what I'd want in a first round QB.
I'd be surprised if any of these guys has a career as accomplished as Alex Smith's.
Some perspective is needed here. Eli is one of the best players in Giants' history...the next guy isn't likely to be in his class.
All of these QBs are imperfect; I wouldn't draft any of them in round 1. But if has to be one of them, I probably go with Jones.
Totally agree that none in this crop warrants a first round investment.
I easily have Finley over Jones.
Accuracy, footwork, timing...that's what I'd be looking for given what we have on offense. Haskins has terrible footwork, and Lock is loose with his mechanics. Jones is probably the best fit of the three for what we do.
Haskins’ passes with greater anticipation and accuracy than Jones.
I think that was the idea. Before the throw (this happened a few times) he waved to put the WR in place, then threw it to him while the WR was stationary. I think he was just trying to give some of those guys a little breather.