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Anakim : 3/26/2019 3:11 pm
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Adam Schefter on NFL Live “The names I keep hearing for the Giants... QB Daniel Jones and QB Will Grier”
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RE: Jones lol  
Pep22 : 3/26/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14357969 micky said:
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Dave Brown part deux 🤣😂🤣😂


I generally hate comps based on where somebody went to college or a common jersey number or even color of their skin, but the Dave Brown comp is probably not terrible.
So far the Giants  
GiantGrit : 3/26/2019 4:25 pm : link
Have "liked" Haskins, Lock, Jones and Grier.


Can't wait till draft day when they pick one of them and someone comes along screaming "could it have been any more obvious!"
Lots of funny  
Harvest Blend : 3/26/2019 4:25 pm : link
comments and gifs on this thread but I never pay a lick of attention to anything anyone in the media or war room says at this time of year. Well, maybe except Accorsi and Reese. :)
Grier  
cokeduplt : 3/26/2019 4:28 pm : link
In round 2 I would be ok with. At 17 please no
As many have mentioned,  
darren in pdx : 3/26/2019 4:32 pm : link
Different reporters have linked the Giants to all of the QBs available in the draft..what a non-surprise. I really don’t have a clue what they’ll do and wouldn’t put money on it, but I also don’t think they’ve made up their minds yet on who to take when the top guys are off the board.
RE: RE: I'd prefer Finley  
cokeduplt : 3/26/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14357930 Pep22 said:
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In comment 14357921 allstarjim said:


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over Jones and Grier.



Me too. But none are franchise QBs.

My comps are:

Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill

for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs



If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
RE: Daniel Jones and/or Will Grier = Kyle Lauletta  
Amtoft : 3/26/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14357872 nzyme said:
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Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!


I disagree completely. Lauletta doesn't look very accurate to me and both these QBs are pretty accurate. Jones has more arm strength out of the three if you ask me.
RE: Any QB that has a career like Drew Bledsoe  
cokeduplt : 3/26/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14357935 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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would be a successful draft pick. That's a 10 year starter.



Including a super bowl appearance. Bledsoe was a very good qb
RE: If its Jones or Grier (remember it's BULLSHIT Season)  
cokeduplt : 3/26/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14357938 edavisiii said:
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maybe at #37...not 6 or 17 please! Even Better at 96. As far as Jones remember that he was surrounded by inferior talent and Duke was competitive. I know Dave G scouted Grier at WV. Not all successful QBs were high Ones. In fact a lot of the 1st round guys were flops!

There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.

Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!



Riddick loves Haskins
RE: RE: RE: I'd prefer Finley  
Pep22 : 3/26/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14358000 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 14357921 allstarjim said:


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over Jones and Grier.



Me too. But none are franchise QBs.

My comps are:

Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill

for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs





If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.



The attributes that most remind me of Moon is that DH has a very easy throwing motion that produces an easily caught ball (always a perfect spiral, generally so accurate that its not only a completion but allows for YAC). By the way, Moon went undrafted.
RE: RE: Jon's info  
Giants38 : 3/26/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14357897 Pan-handler said:
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In comment 14357862 ryanmkeane said:


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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB



Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.


I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.

If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.

As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
RE: RE: RE: Jon's info  
GFAN52 : 3/26/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14358025 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14357862 ryanmkeane said:


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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB



Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.



I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.

If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.

As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.


Need a defensive player within those first 3 Giants picks.
If we are going comparisons  
Amtoft : 3/26/2019 5:24 pm : link
and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.

Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum

If true  
AcesUp : 3/26/2019 5:32 pm : link
The takeaway from that would be that they aren't looking at QB in Round 1.
RE: We have to hope  
Jersey55 : 3/26/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14357817 SJGiant said:
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This is all smoke to hide who they really like. The Giants are sure confusing the rest of us, which is a plus.

all comments made by any team about who they like or don't like in the draft is all part of the ritual game played by GMs, its all BS...
RE: If we are going comparisons  
Jay on the Island : 3/26/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14358084 Amtoft said:
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and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.

Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum

I think Kyler Murray is a more athletic Deshaun Watson with a stronger arm.
Lock = more athletic Stafford
Daniel Jones = Dak Prescott
Will Grier = Cody Kessler
RE: If we are going comparisons  
MojoEd : 3/26/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14358084 Amtoft said:
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre

Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
RE: RE: If we are going comparisons  
arcarsenal : 3/26/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14358124 MojoEd said:
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre



Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.


CFB was much different in the 80's.
Grier does not have a strong enough arm  
jeff57 : 3/26/2019 5:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: If we are going comparisons  
Amtoft : 3/26/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14358124 MojoEd said:
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre



Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.


There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
so..................................  
royhobbs7 : 3/26/2019 5:46 pm : link
If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.

You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
Never thought I would say this  
Jay in Toronto : 3/26/2019 5:46 pm : link
but I hope Ernie Accorsi is in on the QB decision
.  
Go Terps : 3/26/2019 5:47 pm : link
They could have traded Beckham for a kicking tee and it would have been a net positive.
RE: smokescreens all over  
royhobbs7 : 3/26/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14357905 Platos said:
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but don't act like these aren't decent additions at QB in a later round(3rd).

everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.

and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.


YES WE DID!!!!!!!!
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charlito : 3/26/2019 5:50 pm : link
💩💩
RE: so..................................  
Amtoft : 3/26/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14358138 royhobbs7 said:
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If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.

You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!


I didn't know you could see the future. You have no clue how good either will be.
If they took Grier  
jeff57 : 3/26/2019 5:57 pm : link
They wouldn’t take him till 37.
Aren’t these the guys with the weakest arms??  
The_Boss : 3/26/2019 6:00 pm : link
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RE: If they took Grier  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/26/2019 6:03 pm : link
In comment 14358159 jeff57 said:
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They wouldn’t take him till 37.


I hope you mean 2037.
RE: RE: Plot twist  
Simms11 : 3/26/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14357923 Chip said:
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NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants



I think you have it right


Nobody’s jumping in front of the Giants for Jones or Grier. They’re going to get picked late first or second round IMO. All the Haskins, Murray and Lock rumors, now that’s a different story.
RE: RE: Yeah awesome  
tyrik13 : 3/26/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14357809 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.


You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.


Yes he is a 5th round pick. Geno Smith was he sequel, he’s a bum
RE: RE: RE: If we are going comparisons  
MojoEd : 3/26/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14358135 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14358084 Amtoft said:


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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre

Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.

There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.

Too funny, I had the same thought as you re Favre/Lock; I had looked up Favre’s stats before you posted out of curiosity.
I meant to put that  
tyrik13 : 3/26/2019 7:02 pm : link
Will Grier is Geno Smith the sequel and I want no parts of him
Sheffter  
johnboyw : 3/26/2019 7:34 pm : link
If true, Giants would take Grier at 36 but would probably have to take Jones at 17. A little high IMO. If they go Grier, they'll go front seven player at 6 and offensive line at 17. If Jones at 17, the o lineman will have to wait until 36.
Grier to me could be a poor man's Drew Brees. Has some similar traits. Jones actually has a little Eli in him except he's a much better athlete. Can take off and run if he has to. Most importantly, both are leaders which Eli never was.
RE: Ok so we have  
AcidTest : 3/26/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14357860 Reb8thVA said:
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now heard that the folowing have been linked to the Giants:

Haskins
Murray
Lock
Jones
Grier

When do we hear Finley and Rypien so we can have the entire collection


^This.
RE: I'd prefer Finley  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/26/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14357921 allstarjim said:
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over Jones and Grier.


As would I. That may be the only thing we agree on!
Rosen  
AnskyJK : 3/26/2019 7:54 pm : link
Hard to find an expert who would have Grier or Jones ahead of Rosen. Could we get Rosen for 17?
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Peppers : 3/26/2019 7:58 pm : link
Many I've spoken with have both pegged in round 2.. If that gives you any indication their thought process.
The Giants will pick a QB this year, or will extend Eli’s contract  
Ivan15 : 3/26/2019 7:58 pm : link
There is no KC model without a veteran QB and it certainly isn’t Tanney.

They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.

I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.
RE: The Giants will pick a QB this year, or will extend Eli’s contract  
Ivan15 : 3/26/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14358292 Ivan15 said:
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There is no KC model without a veteran QB and it certainly isn’t Tanney.

They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.

I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.


But Rosen still may be the best option if they like him.
RE: Rosen  
jeff57 : 3/26/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14358283 AnskyJK said:
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Hard to find an expert who would have Grier or Jones ahead of Rosen. Could we get Rosen for 17?


Overpay. 37.
Keep in mind  
Dave on the UWS : 3/26/2019 8:27 pm : link
Shurmur has said on numerous occasions, that arm strength is one of the lesser traits he looks for in his QBs- unfortunately. That would negate the big advantage the top 3 have. Hopefully, Gettleman doesn't see it that way.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
RE: RE: RE: I'd prefer Finley  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/26/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14358000 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 14357921 allstarjim said:


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over Jones and Grier.



Me too. But none are franchise QBs.

My comps are:

Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill

for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs





If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.


And Moon was reasonably mobile, which Haskins is not.
Adam Shefter is about as reliable a source for information as John  
plato : 3/26/2019 9:07 pm : link
Brennan is.
RE: Keep in mind  
UberAlias : 3/27/2019 5:50 am : link
In comment 14358327 Dave on the UWS said:
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Shurmur has said on numerous occasions, that arm strength is one of the lesser traits he looks for in his QBs- unfortunately. That would negate the big advantage the top 3 have. Hopefully, Gettleman doesn't see it that way.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
He said this about arm strength when discussing KL. Of course he wasn’t going talk it up when discussing his noodle arm QB. We know the Giants were divided on the QBs last year, and word was PS liked Josh Allen. Lock has a lot of the positive qualities Allen does. It’s easy to see how a coach with experience working with QBs might love the chance to develop a kid like that.
Jones  
Clintqb17 : 3/27/2019 7:13 am : link
Is much better passer then DAK. Analyst rave how accurate he is.
Watched Lock every play vs Okla St and Grier highlights earlier  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/27/2019 7:28 am : link
today. Rewatched, in Lock's case. It's gonna be Haskins or Lock at 6, IMO. Both those guys can complete passes in the Met Life winds in Nov, Dec, playoffs.

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they like Grier. Grier can't throw a deep out without literally winding up. Lock's normal throwing motion is so compact and efficient it's ridiculously good. He throws too hard sometimes, needs to learn when touch is more important than speed and power.

Lock made an awful lot of gorgeous throws that game under extreme duress. Emmanuel Hall is awful, let's balls hit him in the chest rather than hands catch. Yeah he is fast, explosively fast. WVU had better receivers than Mizzou, by far. Sills is gonna be an NFL WR. Great hands, great catch radius, understands routes. I'd take WVU'S Jennings over Hall, just a hunch.
So ...  
Beezer : 3/27/2019 8:07 am : link
... the names we keep hearing ...

Jones
Grier
Murray
Haskins
Lock

lol

Adam Shefter wants us to read his latest.

+++

I still have the feeling the Giants go defense at 6, and NOT quarterback at 17.
RE: Daniel Jones and/or Will Grier = Kyle Lauletta  
Carson53 : 3/27/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14357872 nzyme said:
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Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!
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Yes, Jones is a better prospect than Lauletta.
In the 2nd Rd., I wouldn't mind.
If they had more overall talent on this roster,
then I wouldn't mind with their second first rounder.
Since that is not the case, that is why I say 2nd Rd.
In the first round, I think they need to get ER, plus
an OT or possibly a CB.
RE: Adam Shefter is about as reliable a source for information as John  
Carson53 : 3/27/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14358363 plato said:
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Brennan is.


Last year he was insistent that Jimmy G. wouldn't get traded too, just saying. In fact, his insistence bordered
on arrogance. I am not saying he is arrogant, as it related
to Jimmy G., he acted that way.
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