Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
I actually think he's the type of guy you can build around cheap and succeed, you just don't want to give him that fat second contract he'll be looking at.
on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Haskins, for Daniel Jones or Will Grier. I just can't wrap my head around that...and if that's true, Shurmur and Gettleman will need a new job in a year.
Honestly they ar doing a great job disguising. They we're so in fucking love with Haskins at pro day it almost seemed like a ruse to get a team to trade up and drop one of Boss/Allen/Williams down.
on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Haskins, for Daniel Jones or Will Grier. I just can't wrap my head around that...and if that's true, Shurmur and Gettleman will need a new job in a year.
I'd be cool with passing on Darnold, Rosen, Allen for Saquon as long as they turned around and solved the QB the following year. Jones (a noodle armed guy with poor accuracy) and Grier (who is not special in any attribute one looks for in a QB) would be so disappointing.
on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Haskins, for Daniel Jones or Will Grier. I just can't wrap my head around that...and if that's true, Shurmur and Gettleman will need a new job in a year.
I'd be cool with passing on Darnold, Rosen, Allen for Saquon as long as they turned around and solved the QB the following year. Jones (a noodle armed guy with poor accuracy) and Grier (who is not special in any attribute one looks for in a QB) would be so disappointing.
This is coming from ESPN. Didn't we just hear news from Jon C that Lock is in the conversation? I would trust what Jon C and jt report before what ESPN reports.
and they will stick to it. And they may deem both of these guys 2nd round values on their board, and so if they are there at #37, that's where they are good with drafting them. Perhaps it's in the 3rd. But I do expect a trade up at some point using the extra 4th and 5th rounders to get another player in the 2nd or 3rd round. I don't see us drafting 5 guys in rounds 4 and 5.
Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!
I do disagree. Both Grier and Jones have played at a much higher level of competition....and both are more accomplished passers and higher level overall prospects that Lauletta.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
but don't act like these aren't decent additions at QB in a later round(3rd).
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
that dude can flat-out play. I'd be pretty stoked if we got him, (yes, even at 6). I think he's underrated and suspect that the draft will evidence that.
that dude can flat-out play. I'd be pretty stoked if we got him, (yes, even at 6). I think he's underrated and suspect that the draft will evidence that.
Slightly below average in every tangible (size, athleticism, arm, accuracy). Reportedly a high maintenance type of guy. Would be an epic disappointment.
that dude can flat-out play. I'd be pretty stoked if we got him, (yes, even at 6). I think he's underrated and suspect that the draft will evidence that.
Did you see him throw at the combine? It didn't look good. Really struggled with his accuracy. The deep outs and post corners, all the throws that required some oomphf he was inaccurate on. I liked Grier for his production and what he did, but his lack of arm talent and his struggles on challenging throws have me backing off of him.
we'll hear how the Giants always telegraph their moves and how everyone knew the pick was ________________.
I feel as uncertain as I ever had about who the pick will be. Obviously it's early, on draft day we might have a much better idea, but I still say until they're on the clock no one will know for sure who they are taking, maybe not even the Giants.
NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
I said it before, after that "show" at Haskins pro day it almost seemed like they are getting someone to move up for Haskins. Unless they really are that transparent, which I could buy. If it isn't Haskins or a defensive player I'll be surprised.
maybe at #37...not 6 or 17 please! Even Better at 96. As far as Jones remember that he was surrounded by inferior talent and Duke was competitive. I know Dave G scouted Grier at WV. Not all successful QBs were high Ones. In fact a lot of the 1st round guys were flops!
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
I generally hate comps based on where somebody went to college or a common jersey number or even color of their skin, but the Dave Brown comp is probably not terrible.
comments and gifs on this thread but I never pay a lick of attention to anything anyone in the media or war room says at this time of year. Well, maybe except Accorsi and Reese. :)
Different reporters have linked the Giants to all of the QBs available in the draft..what a non-surprise. I really don’t have a clue what they’ll do and wouldn’t put money on it, but I also don’t think they’ve made up their minds yet on who to take when the top guys are off the board.
Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!
I disagree completely. Lauletta doesn't look very accurate to me and both these QBs are pretty accurate. Jones has more arm strength out of the three if you ask me.
maybe at #37...not 6 or 17 please! Even Better at 96. As far as Jones remember that he was surrounded by inferior talent and Duke was competitive. I know Dave G scouted Grier at WV. Not all successful QBs were high Ones. In fact a lot of the 1st round guys were flops!
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
The attributes that most remind me of Moon is that DH has a very easy throwing motion that produces an easily caught ball (always a perfect spiral, generally so accurate that its not only a completion but allows for YAC). By the way, Moon went undrafted.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Need a defensive player within those first 3 Giants picks.
and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
I think Kyler Murray is a more athletic Deshaun Watson with a stronger arm.
Lock = more athletic Stafford
Daniel Jones = Dak Prescott
Will Grier = Cody Kessler
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
but don't act like these aren't decent additions at QB in a later round(3rd).
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
I didn't know you could see the future. You have no clue how good either will be.
NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
Nobody’s jumping in front of the Giants for Jones or Grier. They’re going to get picked late first or second round IMO. All the Haskins, Murray and Lock rumors, now that’s a different story.
Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
Yes he is a 5th round pick. Geno Smith was he sequel, he’s a bum
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
Too funny, I had the same thought as you re Favre/Lock; I had looked up Favre’s stats before you posted out of curiosity.
If true, Giants would take Grier at 36 but would probably have to take Jones at 17. A little high IMO. If they go Grier, they'll go front seven player at 6 and offensive line at 17. If Jones at 17, the o lineman will have to wait until 36.
Grier to me could be a poor man's Drew Brees. Has some similar traits. Jones actually has a little Eli in him except he's a much better athlete. Can take off and run if he has to. Most importantly, both are leaders which Eli never was.
There is no KC model without a veteran QB and it certainly isn’t Tanney.
They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.
I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.
RE: The Giants will pick a QB this year, or will extend Eli’s contract Â
There is no KC model without a veteran QB and it certainly isn’t Tanney.
They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.
I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.
But Rosen still may be the best option if they like him.
Shurmur has said on numerous occasions, that arm strength is one of the lesser traits he looks for in his QBs- unfortunately. That would negate the big advantage the top 3 have. Hopefully, Gettleman doesn't see it that way.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
Shurmur has said on numerous occasions, that arm strength is one of the lesser traits he looks for in his QBs- unfortunately. That would negate the big advantage the top 3 have. Hopefully, Gettleman doesn't see it that way.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
He said this about arm strength when discussing KL. Of course he wasn’t going talk it up when discussing his noodle arm QB. We know the Giants were divided on the QBs last year, and word was PS liked Josh Allen. Lock has a lot of the positive qualities Allen does. It’s easy to see how a coach with experience working with QBs might love the chance to develop a kid like that.
today. Rewatched, in Lock's case. It's gonna be Haskins or Lock at 6, IMO. Both those guys can complete passes in the Met Life winds in Nov, Dec, playoffs.
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they like Grier. Grier can't throw a deep out without literally winding up. Lock's normal throwing motion is so compact and efficient it's ridiculously good. He throws too hard sometimes, needs to learn when touch is more important than speed and power.
Lock made an awful lot of gorgeous throws that game under extreme duress. Emmanuel Hall is awful, let's balls hit him in the chest rather than hands catch. Yeah he is fast, explosively fast. WVU had better receivers than Mizzou, by far. Sills is gonna be an NFL WR. Great hands, great catch radius, understands routes. I'd take WVU'S Jennings over Hall, just a hunch.
Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!
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Yes, Jones is a better prospect than Lauletta.
In the 2nd Rd., I wouldn't mind.
If they had more overall talent on this roster,
then I wouldn't mind with their second first rounder.
Since that is not the case, that is why I say 2nd Rd.
In the first round, I think they need to get ER, plus
an OT or possibly a CB.
RE: Adam Shefter is about as reliable a source for information as John Â
Last year he was insistent that Jimmy G. wouldn't get traded too, just saying. In fact, his insistence bordered
on arrogance. I am not saying he is arrogant, as it related
to Jimmy G., he acted that way.
Shurmur went to personally see Grier and Jones would be the classic NYG familiarity pick. But these wouldn't be at #6.
Which interest is real?
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
He announced it? That's interesting. Did the Giants also announce that he has full autonomy over the draft?
Oh, I get it - you're just guessing like the rest of us.
I'm in this train of thought for sure. I have a feeling the want Haskins.
Honestly they ar doing a great job disguising. They we're so in fucking love with Haskins at pro day it almost seemed like a ruse to get a team to trade up and drop one of Boss/Allen/Williams down.
I'd be cool with passing on Darnold, Rosen, Allen for Saquon as long as they turned around and solved the QB the following year. Jones (a noodle armed guy with poor accuracy) and Grier (who is not special in any attribute one looks for in a QB) would be so disappointing.
Haskins
Murray
Lock
Jones
Grier
When do we hear Finley and Rypien so we can have the entire collection
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on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Haskins, for Daniel Jones or Will Grier. I just can't wrap my head around that...and if that's true, Shurmur and Gettleman will need a new job in a year.
I'd be cool with passing on Darnold, Rosen, Allen for Saquon as long as they turned around and solved the QB the following year. Jones (a noodle armed guy with poor accuracy) and Grier (who is not special in any attribute one looks for in a QB) would be so disappointing.
...solved the QB PROBLEM is what I meant to say
And then it was Jones and Grier.
I wonder which QB Kim Jones thinks we'll take ;>)
Hopefully they're just doing there due diligence, at least I hope.
I do disagree. Both Grier and Jones have played at a much higher level of competition....and both are more accomplished passers and higher level overall prospects that Lauletta.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
Slightly below average in every tangible (size, athleticism, arm, accuracy). Reportedly a high maintenance type of guy. Would be an epic disappointment.
I think you have it right
Did you see him throw at the combine? It didn't look good. Really struggled with his accuracy. The deep outs and post corners, all the throws that required some oomphf he was inaccurate on. I liked Grier for his production and what he did, but his lack of arm talent and his struggles on challenging throws have me backing off of him.
I feel as uncertain as I ever had about who the pick will be. Obviously it's early, on draft day we might have a much better idea, but I still say until they're on the clock no one will know for sure who they are taking, maybe not even the Giants.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
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NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
I said it before, after that "show" at Haskins pro day it almost seemed like they are getting someone to move up for Haskins. Unless they really are that transparent, which I could buy. If it isn't Haskins or a defensive player I'll be surprised.
Either of those guys in the third would be fine with me. But I'm not crazy about them in the second, never mind the first.
He also tossed out the very FALSE rumor that the Giants were offered a 1st for Landon Collins right before the trade deadline.
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Yeah I like Lock. He finally got some good coaching last year, developed nicely. Perfect size, will have a top 5 arm in the NFL, pretty good mobility.
Great, then both of our 1st rounders can be busts!
The answer is probably no one knows the truth except them.
I generally hate comps based on where somebody went to college or a common jersey number or even color of their skin, but the Dave Brown comp is probably not terrible.
Can't wait till draft day when they pick one of them and someone comes along screaming "could it have been any more obvious!"
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over Jones and Grier.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
I disagree completely. Lauletta doesn't look very accurate to me and both these QBs are pretty accurate. Jones has more arm strength out of the three if you ask me.
Including a super bowl appearance. Bledsoe was a very good qb
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Riddick loves Haskins
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over Jones and Grier.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
The attributes that most remind me of Moon is that DH has a very easy throwing motion that produces an easily caught ball (always a perfect spiral, generally so accurate that its not only a completion but allows for YAC). By the way, Moon went undrafted.
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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Need a defensive player within those first 3 Giants picks.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
all comments made by any team about who they like or don't like in the draft is all part of the ritual game played by GMs, its all BS...
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
I think Kyler Murray is a more athletic Deshaun Watson with a stronger arm.
Lock = more athletic Stafford
Daniel Jones = Dak Prescott
Will Grier = Cody Kessler
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
CFB was much different in the 80's.
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
YES WE DID!!!!!!!!
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
I didn't know you could see the future. You have no clue how good either will be.
I hope you mean 2037.
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NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
Nobody’s jumping in front of the Giants for Jones or Grier. They’re going to get picked late first or second round IMO. All the Haskins, Murray and Lock rumors, now that’s a different story.
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Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
Yes he is a 5th round pick. Geno Smith was he sequel, he’s a bum
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
Too funny, I had the same thought as you re Favre/Lock; I had looked up Favre’s stats before you posted out of curiosity.
Grier to me could be a poor man's Drew Brees. Has some similar traits. Jones actually has a little Eli in him except he's a much better athlete. Can take off and run if he has to. Most importantly, both are leaders which Eli never was.
Haskins
Murray
Lock
Jones
Grier
When do we hear Finley and Rypien so we can have the entire collection
^This.
As would I. That may be the only thing we agree on!
They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.
I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.
They aren’t cutting Eli loose just so they can sign a bridge QB. Not using the #6 on a QB.
I don’t think Lock is the pick unless it is #17 + another pick. Jones, Grier, or Finley in Round 2 or someone they love that no one else does in Round 3.
But Rosen still may be the best option if they like him.
Overpay. 37.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
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over Jones and Grier.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
And Moon was reasonably mobile, which Haskins is not.
If they really want one of these guys, I hope they don't screw around. Take the guy at 6 ( or higher if necessary). "No guts no glory"
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they like Grier. Grier can't throw a deep out without literally winding up. Lock's normal throwing motion is so compact and efficient it's ridiculously good. He throws too hard sometimes, needs to learn when touch is more important than speed and power.
Lock made an awful lot of gorgeous throws that game under extreme duress. Emmanuel Hall is awful, let's balls hit him in the chest rather than hands catch. Yeah he is fast, explosively fast. WVU had better receivers than Mizzou, by far. Sills is gonna be an NFL WR. Great hands, great catch radius, understands routes. I'd take WVU'S Jennings over Hall, just a hunch.
Jones
Grier
Murray
Haskins
Lock
lol
Adam Shefter wants us to read his latest.
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I still have the feeling the Giants go defense at 6, and NOT quarterback at 17.
Yes, Jones is a better prospect than Lauletta.
In the 2nd Rd., I wouldn't mind.
If they had more overall talent on this roster,
then I wouldn't mind with their second first rounder.
Since that is not the case, that is why I say 2nd Rd.
In the first round, I think they need to get ER, plus
an OT or possibly a CB.
Last year he was insistent that Jimmy G. wouldn't get traded too, just saying. In fact, his insistence bordered
on arrogance. I am not saying he is arrogant, as it related
to Jimmy G., he acted that way.