NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
I said it before, after that "show" at Haskins pro day it almost seemed like they are getting someone to move up for Haskins. Unless they really are that transparent, which I could buy. If it isn't Haskins or a defensive player I'll be surprised.
maybe at #37...not 6 or 17 please! Even Better at 96. As far as Jones remember that he was surrounded by inferior talent and Duke was competitive. I know Dave G scouted Grier at WV. Not all successful QBs were high Ones. In fact a lot of the 1st round guys were flops!
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
I generally hate comps based on where somebody went to college or a common jersey number or even color of their skin, but the Dave Brown comp is probably not terrible.
comments and gifs on this thread but I never pay a lick of attention to anything anyone in the media or war room says at this time of year. Well, maybe except Accorsi and Reese. :)
Different reporters have linked the Giants to all of the QBs available in the draft..what a non-surprise. I really don’t have a clue what they’ll do and wouldn’t put money on it, but I also don’t think they’ve made up their minds yet on who to take when the top guys are off the board.
Anyone disagree? IMHO this would be a waste of a high draft pick. The fan base would rip them a new one if this would ever happen!
I disagree completely. Lauletta doesn't look very accurate to me and both these QBs are pretty accurate. Jones has more arm strength out of the three if you ask me.
maybe at #37...not 6 or 17 please! Even Better at 96. As far as Jones remember that he was surrounded by inferior talent and Duke was competitive. I know Dave G scouted Grier at WV. Not all successful QBs were high Ones. In fact a lot of the 1st round guys were flops!
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
The attributes that most remind me of Moon is that DH has a very easy throwing motion that produces an easily caught ball (always a perfect spiral, generally so accurate that its not only a completion but allows for YAC). By the way, Moon went undrafted.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Need a defensive player within those first 3 Giants picks.
and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
and obviously I am not saying they will be as good as the comp but this is who they remind me of.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
I think Kyler Murray is a more athletic Deshaun Watson with a stronger arm.
Lock = more athletic Stafford
Daniel Jones = Dak Prescott
Will Grier = Cody Kessler
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
but don't act like these aren't decent additions at QB in a later round(3rd).
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
If the Giants select one of the two QBs (Jones or Grier) in question at #17 (the most valuable part of the trade), they would have traded their #1 chip (Beckham) for (at best) a borderline starting QB in the NFL.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
I didn't know you could see the future. You have no clue how good either will be.
NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
Nobody’s jumping in front of the Giants for Jones or Grier. They’re going to get picked late first or second round IMO. All the Haskins, Murray and Lock rumors, now that’s a different story.
Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
Yes he is a 5th round pick. Geno Smith was he sequel, he’s a bum
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
Too funny, I had the same thought as you re Favre/Lock; I had looked up Favre’s stats before you posted out of curiosity.
If true, Giants would take Grier at 36 but would probably have to take Jones at 17. A little high IMO. If they go Grier, they'll go front seven player at 6 and offensive line at 17. If Jones at 17, the o lineman will have to wait until 36.
Grier to me could be a poor man's Drew Brees. Has some similar traits. Jones actually has a little Eli in him except he's a much better athlete. Can take off and run if he has to. Most importantly, both are leaders which Eli never was.
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NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
I said it before, after that "show" at Haskins pro day it almost seemed like they are getting someone to move up for Haskins. Unless they really are that transparent, which I could buy. If it isn't Haskins or a defensive player I'll be surprised.
Either of those guys in the third would be fine with me. But I'm not crazy about them in the second, never mind the first.
He also tossed out the very FALSE rumor that the Giants were offered a 1st for Landon Collins right before the trade deadline.
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Yeah I like Lock. He finally got some good coaching last year, developed nicely. Perfect size, will have a top 5 arm in the NFL, pretty good mobility.
Great, then both of our 1st rounders can be busts!
The answer is probably no one knows the truth except them.
I generally hate comps based on where somebody went to college or a common jersey number or even color of their skin, but the Dave Brown comp is probably not terrible.
Can't wait till draft day when they pick one of them and someone comes along screaming "could it have been any more obvious!"
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over Jones and Grier.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
I disagree completely. Lauletta doesn't look very accurate to me and both these QBs are pretty accurate. Jones has more arm strength out of the three if you ask me.
Including a super bowl appearance. Bledsoe was a very good qb
There is a lot more to study than we see. For instance, Drew Lock went from a college "1 read" system to a full pro style offense. For the 1st time he had to call out audibles, line assignments etc and he admits to being overloaded at times. Let's hope the Giants staff does their homework and does it well. Dave T is about as knowledgeable as they come and he does not think either Murray or Haskins is worth a 6. Louis Riddick likes Haskins but also likes Stidham from Auburn.
Bunker down... the wind will blow and the bullshit will flow over the next 4 weeks!
Riddick loves Haskins
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over Jones and Grier.
Me too. But none are franchise QBs.
My comps are:
Murray - Wilson
Haskins - Moon
Lock - slightly more mobile Bledsoe
Finley - Fitzpatrick
Grier - Peterman
Jones - Tannehill
for the first two guys, I'm not putting either in the HOF, just saying they have attributes like those two HOF caliber QBs
If Haskins was Moon he’d be the 1st overall pick. Haskins has a decent arm, Moon had an amazing arm.
The attributes that most remind me of Moon is that DH has a very easy throwing motion that produces an easily caught ball (always a perfect spiral, generally so accurate that its not only a completion but allows for YAC). By the way, Moon went undrafted.
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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
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today would suggest Lock is the favorite at QB
Lock makes more sense than Jones despite the Cutliffe connection. Much greater arm, better athleticism. Haskins the most well rounded despite one year starting. The thing with Jones or Grier you can get Jones likely at 17 and Grier even later.
I hope Jon’s info is wrong. I love hearing from the guy - and he has a similar opinion on Lock - but I just don’t want Lock. I want Murray (not happening) or Haskins. Or a trade for Rosen, though that is also not happening.
If the Giants could actually keep secrets - even from insiders on this board - it would represent some growth in the organization. We’ll see what happens. It certainly appears at this point like they are trying their best to smokescreen this, and that is a step in the right direction.
As far as the picks, I’d love to see QB, RT, C with our two firsts and second. Address DE in third. I don’t believe in Halapio - he is awful at calling out assignments - or Pulley.
Need a defensive player within those first 3 Giants picks.
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
all comments made by any team about who they like or don't like in the draft is all part of the ritual game played by GMs, its all BS...
Kyler Murray = a more accurate Michael Vick
Dwayne Haskins = Kurt Warner
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Daniel Lock = Alex Smith
Will Grier = Case Keenum
I think Kyler Murray is a more athletic Deshaun Watson with a stronger arm.
Lock = more athletic Stafford
Daniel Jones = Dak Prescott
Will Grier = Cody Kessler
Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
CFB was much different in the 80's.
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
everyone wants the answer to QB this season. the truth is just because we need one doesn't mean there is one.
and please don't bring up last season. Barkley is amazing, we haven't had a true #1 rb since Tiki. Darnold is a turnover waiting to happen. allen/rosen had plenty of question marks. we made the right choice.
YES WE DID!!!!!!!!
You've got to be kidding!!!!
If they do this, I want Gettleman's head on a platter!!!
I didn't know you could see the future. You have no clue how good either will be.
I hope you mean 2037.
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NYG are leaking these rumors so that someone jumps in front of them for a QB, thus causing a top defensive player to fall to the Giants
I think you have it right
Nobody’s jumping in front of the Giants for Jones or Grier. They’re going to get picked late first or second round IMO. All the Haskins, Murray and Lock rumors, now that’s a different story.
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Let's make sure we take Will Grier, who otherwise would go in the 5th round, at #6 overall just to make sure no one else takes him. Let's also make sure we take a punter at #17 because he has a leg touched by the hand of God. Sounds like the Giants way.
You honestly believe that Will Grier is a 5th round pick? That seems unrealistic, IMO.
Yes he is a 5th round pick. Geno Smith was he sequel, he’s a bum
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Drew Lock = less accurate Brett Favre
Had a recent lesson that Google doesn’t always get it right, but Lock’s college completion percentage appears to have been better than Farve’s; 56.9% v 52.4%. Farve’s percentage surprised me.
There was a reason for this. I can't remember the type of offense or his poor WRs or something. Anyways he reminds me of Brett because of his personality and the fact he is a gun slinger.
Too funny, I had the same thought as you re Favre/Lock; I had looked up Favre’s stats before you posted out of curiosity.
Grier to me could be a poor man's Drew Brees. Has some similar traits. Jones actually has a little Eli in him except he's a much better athlete. Can take off and run if he has to. Most importantly, both are leaders which Eli never was.
Haskins
Murray
Lock
Jones
Grier
When do we hear Finley and Rypien so we can have the entire collection
^This.
As would I. That may be the only thing we agree on!