On the other hand, this seems unenforceable to me. And, grocery stores borders on bothering me. We were debating on whether that's really a "public" place or not. I'm leaning toward private but it is a publicly traveled area so maybe that's okay. Not sure; it does give me pause (and I'm the exact opposite of anti-vaxx).
that at this time period in society kids can live in a world where their parents (or their religion) can be allowed to expose them to things that can get them very very sick or worse.
I guess that’s been going on forever but come on already. It’s terrible. Right on the border of Rockland county and my wife hasn’t stepped foot in a store on the other side in months.
should listen to doctors, science, and fact rather than Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey. I wish the parents were the ones who suffered for their own stupidity rather than their kids but unfortunately that's not the case. I wish these people who mislead these morons would be held accountable but we live in a society where nobody Is held accountable anymore as we have seen once again with the Jussie Smollett decision.
It is a tough scenario. When your religious beliefs start affecting others so negatively... I have an infant son who only recently was allowed to be vaccinated because he was so little. We were living in fear because of the non vaccination crowd until he was finally vaccinated at a year old.
At what point does this start violating law? You can’t say anything about it though... if you do you are anti Semitic.
that at this time period in society kids can live in a world where their parents (or their religion) can be allowed to expose them to things that can get them very very sick or worse.
On the one hand, do you want a society that's all-inclusive? On the other hand, take your damn medicine.
On the other hand, this seems unenforceable to me. And, grocery stores borders on bothering me. We were debating on whether that's really a "public" place or not. I'm leaning toward private but it is a publicly traveled area so maybe that's okay. Not sure; it does give me pause (and I'm the exact opposite of anti-vaxx).
The government actually has pretty broad quarantine powers in the face of an epidemic or other public health emergency. Obviously they aren't going to have cops at the doors checking immunization records, but if you violate the ban and someone narcs you could be in serious trouble.
that at this time period in society kids can live in a world where their parents (or their religion) can be allowed to expose them to things that can get them very very sick or worse.
I guess that’s been going on forever but come on already. It’s terrible. Right on the border of Rockland county and my wife hasn’t stepped foot in a store on the other side in months.
Live in Bergen County and my sister lives in Orangeburg. We just discussed this is past week-end of what is happening there. Her daughter's daughter was Christened this week and they were worried about all the people coming from Rockland.
It is a tough scenario. When your religious beliefs start affecting others so negatively... I have an infant son who only recently was allowed to be vaccinated because he was so little. We were living in fear because of the non vaccination crowd until he was finally vaccinated at a year old.
At what point does this start violating law? You can’t say anything about it though... if you do you are anti Semitic.
I agree with you, it's very difficult. For the record, I'm somewhat fortunate that my mother is Italian Catholic and my father is Jewish. So I'm in a situation that I could make critical comments on 2 major religions and have cover ;)
I understand freedom of religion but when that freedom in a sense disallows people the right to live without getting a terrible disease (that can and should be eliminated!) it’s time to re-evaluate things. It’s bordering on ridiculous.
I understand freedom of religion but when that freedom in a sense disallows people the right to live without getting a terrible disease (that can and should be eliminated!) it’s time to re-evaluate things. It’s bordering on ridiculous.
What's actually more to the point, no where is it actually written in Jewish Law that you can't get vaccinated. From the article I posted
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Although some Orthodox Jews claim that vaccinations are against Jewish law, that’s not correct, said Dr. Aaron Glatt, who is also a rabbi and chairman of the department of medicine at South Nassau Communities Hospital on Long Island. “There’s not a single opinion that says vaccination is against Jewish law,” he said.
There was a thread on this a while back that spiraled out of control Â
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
The leadership in the community has actually been very responsible since the outbreak began. Rabbis have been encouraging their (I don't know what you call it; in my church it's a congregation) people to get vaccinated. That tells me that there is no specific religious prohibition against vaccination.
The leadership in the community has actually been very responsible since the outbreak began. Rabbis have been encouraging their (I don't know what you call it; in my church it's a congregation) people to get vaccinated. That tells me that there is no specific religious prohibition against vaccination.
I agree Bill they have been. But it’s just frustrating that it even gets to that point.
That's why some religions say they are anti-religious.
I'm totally for vaccinations, and have a bat shit in-law that spews off about this shit all the time.
There's not. Vaccine strain viruses are grown in cell cultures that have been passaged for hundreds of generations. *even* if there was some connection to an aborted fetus for the progenitor cells, that cells is about as far removed from current day as we would be from Moses.
This was an issue in Vancouver (WA) and Portland, and now there have been a couple confirmed cases here in Salem too. I've got a 4 year old kid, and it's pretty damn frustrating that there's a chance he could still get the measles because the vaccination is (I think) around 95% effective.
Idiots. Replace mythology with an episode of Cosmos and we'd all be better for it.
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“If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate. ... Choose science.”
Soooo how do you know what kids are unvaccinated? Â
The leadership in the community has actually been very responsible since the outbreak began. Rabbis have been encouraging their (I don't know what you call it; in my church it's a congregation) people to get vaccinated. That tells me that there is no specific religious prohibition against vaccination.
if someone with half a brain knows their kids aren’t vaccinated, they would not bring them into an area where they can be exposed, hopefully eliminating the problem.
That's why some religions say they are anti-religious.
I'm totally for vaccinations, and have a bat shit in-law that spews off about this shit all the time.
There's not. Vaccine strain viruses are grown in cell cultures that have been passaged for hundreds of generations. *even* if there was some connection to an aborted fetus for the progenitor cells, that cells is about as far removed from current day as we would be from Moses.
There's the truth, and there's what people read on Facebook from their dumb in-laws and conspiracy theorist uncles.
There's a scary amount of inaccurate and wrong health info out there being trafficked.
I have the same questions about enforcability. And, it's retroactive. SO how are they going to go back and figure out that you were at Price Chopper last month and unvaccinated.?
I have the same questions about enforcability. And, it's retroactive. SO how are they going to go back and figure out that you were at Price Chopper last month and unvaccinated.?
if someone with half a brain knows their kids aren’t vaccinated, they would not bring them into an area where they can be exposed, hopefully eliminating the problem.
Probably won’t work.
Sadly, that's giving people too much credit
RE: There was a thread on this a while back that spiraled out of control Â
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
RE: RE: There was a thread on this a while back that spiraled out of control Â
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
they work the laws and the politicians to the utmost degree. Officials up for election want their vote (or their money, which isn’t proven but widely speculated).
Skoufis is working on a bill so that government officials who sign through grants for them have to put their name on it. They received $2 million anonymous dollars recently and nobody knows who it is from (which sounds as ridiculous as it is). At least if these are made public, officials might be scared to have to put their name on it.
Things might be changing but it will take a long time.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
It’s actually pretty serious, especially for young children. Prior to vaccination there were about 600 reported deaths per year. Plus, there were a non insignificant number f death due to secondary infections like pneumonia.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Because most just "missed a few days of school" we should ignore a simple, cheap vaccine for it? Or pretend that some don't handle it as well and become seriously ill or even die from the entirely preventable disease?
RE: RE: RE: There was a thread on this a while back that spiraled out of control Â
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Yeah I had the mumps, chickenpox and measles, but I still don't wish for my children to get any of them if easily avoided, so we had them vaccinated.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
So was dying in fender benders and teachers smoking in their classrooms...
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
So was dying in fender benders and teachers smoking in their classrooms...
My HS even allowed the students to smoke in a designated area. I don't think too many are doing that these days.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There was a thread on this a while back that spiraled out of control Â
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
It's definitely rigged somehow
The FBI has raided Kiryas Joel a few times for misuse of federal funds and grants. This was one recent article. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/School-Officials-Rabbis-Arrested-in-14-Million-Rockland-County-Funding-Scam-491999051.html - ( New Window )
This was an issue in Vancouver (WA) and Portland, and now there have been a couple confirmed cases here in Salem too. I've got a 4 year old kid, and it's pretty damn frustrating that there's a chance he could still get the measles because the vaccination is (I think) around 95% effective.
Idiots. Replace mythology with an episode of Cosmos and we'd all be better for it.
Quote:
“If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate. ... Choose science.”
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Yeah I had the mumps, chickenpox and measles, but I still don't wish for my children to get any of them if easily avoided, so we had them vaccinated.
PLUS, cancer patients are often immunosuppressed. So why does their life have to be in danger because of the idiotic stance of the anti-vaccination crowd? This is not a close call. Vaccinations should be mandatory. Her immunity is a real thing and one should not benefit from it, and opt out, unless there is a medical need.
reason for Orthodox Jews to refuse immunization for themselves or their children. None whatsoever. Beyond that, there are general, broad based halacha about maintaining one's health.
One of the most strict commonly observed practices in Judaism is to fast on Yom Kippur, the anual day of atonement. The fast is over 24 hours, sunset to sunset, and to observe it properly one neither eats nor drinks anything during the fast. My wife is modestly observant, and she always fasts for the full time period. She was doing so during her pregnancy with our first child, and became very weak. I urged her to eat and drink a little something, because I had spoken to the Orthodox Rabbi who oversaw the Kashrut (Kosher) of the wine we were making, and he told me she absolutely should not fast during Yom Kippur, because providing for the best health of the unborn child was MORE IMPORTANT than fasting to make her own "atonement" for the prior year.
Ignoring the health of your children, not doing everything in a parent's power to insure the health and well being of their children - this behavior is logically prohibited by halacha. Any group of Orthodox spinning something else are flat out wrong by the majority opinion among the Orthodox that I know and deal with regularly.
Sorry for being windy. It's a shame and a tragedy to fail to immunize your children. Pretty unheard of in Israel itself, so far as I know. There's even a special branch of the Israeli national health care service that oversees the regular vaccination of all children at the proscribed ages. It's called "Tipat Hakav" and is a 100% free service. Besides immunizations, the organization provides regular check-ups for youngsters' visual, hearing, mental processing, etc at various age check points.
Would love to know how one can validate their vaccines. Â
Called one of my Pediatricians for an unrelated request and they no longer have any of my childhood records.
In Israel, the record keeping is actually the responsibility of the parents, imagine that?
The org is called "Tipat Halav" (typo earlier) and they issue the parents a little red book which outlines the age in months for each vaccination or infant and toddler check up. At the time of each procedure, the book gets stamped by the pediatrician's office staff. You're supposed to keep this little booklet for life I guess. Since my kids are teens, IDK if they've switched the record keeping to on line stevices like all other med records.
That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Because most just "missed a few days of school" we should ignore a simple, cheap vaccine for it? Or pretend that some don't handle it as well and become seriously ill or even die from the entirely preventable disease?
No medical treatment is perfect. Maybe take a look at the vaccine side effects. There are side effects and you can bet that some parents have looked at the list. So, it's a judgment call for some parents: run the risk of having the kids get measles or risk the vaccine. I had my kids vaccinated, but after looking at the list; doesn't mean that there wouldn't be some who dont' Yes, there are side effects. - ( New Window )
On the other hand, this seems unenforceable to me. And, grocery stores borders on bothering me. We were debating on whether that's really a "public" place or not. I'm leaning toward private but it is a publicly traveled area so maybe that's okay. Not sure; it does give me pause (and I'm the exact opposite of anti-vaxx).
I guess that’s been going on forever but come on already. It’s terrible. Right on the border of Rockland county and my wife hasn’t stepped foot in a store on the other side in months.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/measles-outbreak/why-measles-hits-so-hard-within-new-york-orthodox-jewish-n981801 - ( New Window )
At what point does this start violating law? You can’t say anything about it though... if you do you are anti Semitic.
On the other hand, this seems unenforceable to me. And, grocery stores borders on bothering me. We were debating on whether that's really a "public" place or not. I'm leaning toward private but it is a publicly traveled area so maybe that's okay. Not sure; it does give me pause (and I'm the exact opposite of anti-vaxx).
The government actually has pretty broad quarantine powers in the face of an epidemic or other public health emergency. Obviously they aren't going to have cops at the doors checking immunization records, but if you violate the ban and someone narcs you could be in serious trouble.
I guess that’s been going on forever but come on already. It’s terrible. Right on the border of Rockland county and my wife hasn’t stepped foot in a store on the other side in months.
Live in Bergen County and my sister lives in Orangeburg. We just discussed this is past week-end of what is happening there. Her daughter's daughter was Christened this week and they were worried about all the people coming from Rockland.
At what point does this start violating law? You can’t say anything about it though... if you do you are anti Semitic.
I agree with you, it's very difficult. For the record, I'm somewhat fortunate that my mother is Italian Catholic and my father is Jewish. So I'm in a situation that I could make critical comments on 2 major religions and have cover ;)
What's actually more to the point, no where is it actually written in Jewish Law that you can't get vaccinated. From the article I posted
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
I agree Bill they have been. But it’s just frustrating that it even gets to that point.
That's why some religions say they are anti-religious.
I'm totally for vaccinations, and have a bat shit in-law that spews off about this shit all the time.
That's why some religions say they are anti-religious.
I'm totally for vaccinations, and have a bat shit in-law that spews off about this shit all the time.
There's not. Vaccine strain viruses are grown in cell cultures that have been passaged for hundreds of generations. *even* if there was some connection to an aborted fetus for the progenitor cells, that cells is about as far removed from current day as we would be from Moses.
Idiots. Replace mythology with an episode of Cosmos and we'd all be better for it.
Well, I suppose they could put red dots all over their faces and bodies....
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Put some sort of marking on them? I mean how the hell can this be enforced?
Well, I suppose they could put red dots all over their faces and bodies....
It doesn't say all contagious kids. It say unvaccinated. How do you tell someone is unvaccinated if they aren't showing symptoms?
Congregation works for us too.
Probably won’t work.
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That's why some religions say they are anti-religious.
I'm totally for vaccinations, and have a bat shit in-law that spews off about this shit all the time.
There's not. Vaccine strain viruses are grown in cell cultures that have been passaged for hundreds of generations. *even* if there was some connection to an aborted fetus for the progenitor cells, that cells is about as far removed from current day as we would be from Moses.
There's the truth, and there's what people read on Facebook from their dumb in-laws and conspiracy theorist uncles.
There's a scary amount of inaccurate and wrong health info out there being trafficked.
Gotcha. Sorry I thought you were being sarcastic.
Probably won’t work.
Sadly, that's giving people too much credit
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
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but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
Skoufis is working on a bill so that government officials who sign through grants for them have to put their name on it. They received $2 million anonymous dollars recently and nobody knows who it is from (which sounds as ridiculous as it is). At least if these are made public, officials might be scared to have to put their name on it.
Things might be changing but it will take a long time.
I believe the irony supplement comes in English class.
It’s actually pretty serious, especially for young children. Prior to vaccination there were about 600 reported deaths per year. Plus, there were a non insignificant number f death due to secondary infections like pneumonia.
Because most just "missed a few days of school" we should ignore a simple, cheap vaccine for it? Or pretend that some don't handle it as well and become seriously ill or even die from the entirely preventable disease?
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but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
It's definitely rigged somehow
Yeah I had the mumps, chickenpox and measles, but I still don't wish for my children to get any of them if easily avoided, so we had them vaccinated.
So was dying in fender benders and teachers smoking in their classrooms...
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That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
So was dying in fender benders and teachers smoking in their classrooms...
My HS even allowed the students to smoke in a designated area. I don't think too many are doing that these days.
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but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
It's definitely rigged somehow
The FBI has raided Kiryas Joel a few times for misuse of federal funds and grants. This was one recent article.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/School-Officials-Rabbis-Arrested-in-14-Million-Rockland-County-Funding-Scam-491999051.html - ( New Window )
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but in my opinion, you should be allowed to do whatever you want within reason with regard to religion as long as you are not hurting or negatively impacting the quality of life of innocent bystanders.
Not only measles but there are many other situations where people outside of that community have been harmed - mostly financially - and at what point does the charade end? A classmate of mine, James Skoufis, was recently elected to the NYS Senate and his platform was making a lot of the wrongs (within Kiryas Joel) clearer and fairer for everyone. We’ll see how far he can take it but he beat their block votes to win election.
Your post made me read up on Kiryas Joel. Holy shit they are the poorest county in the country and are 50 miles away from NYC. Never heard of this before.
Same thing montana. That’s insane to me. But hiw are they able to build so much? 1+1 isnt equalling 2 here.
It's definitely rigged somehow
The FBI has raided Kiryas Joel a few times for misuse of federal funds and grants. This was one recent article. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/School-Officials-Rabbis-Arrested-in-14-Million-Rockland-County-Funding-Scam-491999051.html - ( New Window )
LOL...I am literally blown away over this crap.
Idiots. Replace mythology with an episode of Cosmos and we'd all be better for it.
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“If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate. ... Choose science.”
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That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Yeah I had the mumps, chickenpox and measles, but I still don't wish for my children to get any of them if easily avoided, so we had them vaccinated.
PLUS, cancer patients are often immunosuppressed. So why does their life have to be in danger because of the idiotic stance of the anti-vaccination crowd? This is not a close call. Vaccinations should be mandatory. Her immunity is a real thing and one should not benefit from it, and opt out, unless there is a medical need.
One of the most strict commonly observed practices in Judaism is to fast on Yom Kippur, the anual day of atonement. The fast is over 24 hours, sunset to sunset, and to observe it properly one neither eats nor drinks anything during the fast. My wife is modestly observant, and she always fasts for the full time period. She was doing so during her pregnancy with our first child, and became very weak. I urged her to eat and drink a little something, because I had spoken to the Orthodox Rabbi who oversaw the Kashrut (Kosher) of the wine we were making, and he told me she absolutely should not fast during Yom Kippur, because providing for the best health of the unborn child was MORE IMPORTANT than fasting to make her own "atonement" for the prior year.
Ignoring the health of your children, not doing everything in a parent's power to insure the health and well being of their children - this behavior is logically prohibited by halacha. Any group of Orthodox spinning something else are flat out wrong by the majority opinion among the Orthodox that I know and deal with regularly.
Sorry for being windy. It's a shame and a tragedy to fail to immunize your children. Pretty unheard of in Israel itself, so far as I know. There's even a special branch of the Israeli national health care service that oversees the regular vaccination of all children at the proscribed ages. It's called "Tipat Hakav" and is a 100% free service. Besides immunizations, the organization provides regular check-ups for youngsters' visual, hearing, mental processing, etc at various age check points.
Is this the pediatrician who gave you the vaccines?
If it is ,you can get your blood timers drawn to make sure you have the immunities.
In Israel, the record keeping is actually the responsibility of the parents, imagine that?
The org is called "Tipat Halav" (typo earlier) and they issue the parents a little red book which outlines the age in months for each vaccination or infant and toddler check up. At the time of each procedure, the book gets stamped by the pediatrician's office staff. You're supposed to keep this little booklet for life I guess. Since my kids are teens, IDK if they've switched the record keeping to on line stevices like all other med records.
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That measles and chicken pox was a normal part of growing up. You caught it, if there were siblings they all got it, everyone missed a few days of school and that was it. Guarantee you there are people on this site who have been through it.
Because most just "missed a few days of school" we should ignore a simple, cheap vaccine for it? Or pretend that some don't handle it as well and become seriously ill or even die from the entirely preventable disease?
Yes, there are side effects. - ( New Window )
Ridiculous.