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Cautionary tale: 2015 Giants draft class video

Matt in SGS : 3/26/2019 7:41 pm
It goes without saying the 2019 draft is beyond pivotal for the Giants. 2 first rounders, 12 selections, and Gettleman cleared the decks from the Reese/Ross years and will use this draft, after last year's strong effort to re-stock the cupboard.

And when you look back at this video, you will know why he had to start from scratch. I've always been a big believer that you need to wait about 3-5 years to judge a draft and with the salary cap, maybe it really is only 3.

But what is interesting to watch here, see how the draft pundits rate the Giants picks and keep this in mind when the Giants pick this year, whether they heap praise or scorn and give out grades. From what we saw here in this package, they seemed to think the Giants knew what they were doing in 2015. How wrong they were.

A few pointers to watch for

1) Erick Flowers- ESPN talks him up as being nasty and mentioned that the Giants wanted Scherff actually (a Reese special to blab who he really wanted) and the Redskins got him. Gruden of course said nice things about him. In his time at ESPN, if Hitler suited up for an NFL team, Gruden would find some way to talk him up. The only naysayer was Mel Kiper, who said he was raw in pass protection and let guys get in on his body and that won't work in the pros (Mel was right)

2) Landon Collins- there was the trade up. Again, ESPN talked him up as an in the box safety. But they also spent time talking about how he wasn't good in coverage and would get lost with the ball in the air. Turns out they were right.

3) Owa Odighizuwa- Another Reese special. They took a shot on him as someone to bounce back from injuries. ESPN talked him up. Of course, there were mental health issues factored in that we didn't see coming.

5) Mykkele Thompson- ESPN talked about the Giants getting younger and building their team. To be fair to Reese, Thompson had shit luck and got hurt 2 straight pre-seasons and that sidetracked his career. What was amusing was he was introduced by Richburg and Kinnard. Both now gone too.

6) Geremy Davis- ESPN talked about that he was slow and can't get open and had great abs. They were right.

7) Bobby Hart- I don't know if the couple in the video is still married who announced the pick, but he was described at ESPN that he wouldn't be a tackle and was a road grating guard in the pros. Well, turns out he is a tackle, he can't run block, and got himself thrown off the team and landed in Cincy.


Anyway, enjoy or barf, but something to keep in mind as we watch the Giants pick this year. Don't get too caught up and listen to the cons more than the pros of a prospect, since in this case that seemed to be more accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VjcbmYjYhg&t=117s - ( New Window )
It's showing up about a minute in  
Matt in SGS : 3/26/2019 7:42 pm : link
here is the full video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VjcbmYjYhg&feature=youtu.be - ( New Window )
Look at the talent evaluation expertise of Reese/Ross  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/26/2019 7:49 pm : link
THAT is why we suck. DG may catch shyte daily.. but he has a TOUGH & THANKLESS job ahead of him.
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Klaatu : 3/26/2019 7:54 pm : link


Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?
Matt  
Chris684 : 3/26/2019 8:29 pm : link
Can’t believe the 2015 draft is already 4 years ago.

One thing I’ll say is that Owa was a crowd favorite of BBI. I don’t remember a pick that was more widely celebrated on BBI in all of the drafts I’ve followed on here since 2005.
Many thought  
Doomster : 3/26/2019 9:16 pm : link
Thompson would never be drafted by anyone....except the
Giants of course...

The whole draft sucked except for Collins....but while he was good, he had his limitations.....and thus far, he has turned one season into a career...
Everyone misses on picks  
WillVAB : 3/26/2019 9:19 pm : link
But when you consistently miss on picks and then stick with said picks like they’re core players and make luxury picks like Apple and Engram, it’s a recipe for disaster.

It’s mind boggling how some here want instant gratification from DG after making excuses for 10 years of shitty drafts from the Reese era.
Lol @ if Hitler suited up for an NFL team he would find  
eric2425ny : 3/26/2019 10:04 pm : link
some way to talk him up. Gruden really was ridiculous with all of the over praising of players. I think 90% of every team would make the pro bowl in his world.
RE: Matt  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/26/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14358332 Chris684 said:
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Can’t believe the 2015 draft is already 4 years ago.

One thing I’ll say is that Owa was a crowd favorite of BBI. I don’t remember a pick that was more widely celebrated on BBI in all of the drafts I’ve followed on here since 2005.


Double O was a "crowd favorite?" I don't recall that, precisely. What I do recall is that OO absolutely blew up the combine every which way, and KWALL touted him through the roof. I spent a fair amount of time looking at OO's game tape available on Youtube, and I disputed KWALL's extreme enthusiasm saying that I didn't see it on the tape. I respect KWALL, so it was a polite discussion between us about him, but I am sure I said I didn't see that athleticism and explosion demonstrated in the combine drills actually translating to the field at UCLA.

Yeah, the usual suspects got all jacked up about his combine #s - pretty sure I did too until I actually spent some time watching him play - but I don't recall him being really highly touted by anyone who watched enough UCLA tape. He had trouble disengaging from blockers IIRC.
RE: RE: Matt  
Giants38 : 3/27/2019 12:43 am : link
In comment 14358457 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14358332 Chris684 said:


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Can’t believe the 2015 draft is already 4 years ago.

One thing I’ll say is that Owa was a crowd favorite of BBI. I don’t remember a pick that was more widely celebrated on BBI in all of the drafts I’ve followed on here since 2005.



Double O was a "crowd favorite?" I don't recall that, precisely. What I do recall is that OO absolutely blew up the combine every which way, and KWALL touted him through the roof. I spent a fair amount of time looking at OO's game tape available on Youtube, and I disputed KWALL's extreme enthusiasm saying that I didn't see it on the tape. I respect KWALL, so it was a polite discussion between us about him, but I am sure I said I didn't see that athleticism and explosion demonstrated in the combine drills actually translating to the field at UCLA.

Yeah, the usual suspects got all jacked up about his combine #s - pretty sure I did too until I actually spent some time watching him play - but I don't recall him being really highly touted by anyone who watched enough UCLA tape. He had trouble disengaging from blockers IIRC.


OO was also the player Sy said he'd pick for the Giants at that spot. Reese messed up the draft, but there were a lot of people who were high on his selections.

As for Collins, the guy had a fantastic year in 2016. Unfortunately, we never had a DC who used him correctly. If you pair him with a ball hawking FS, he will be a beast.
the persistent headwind that Reese faced in the draft  
ColHowPepper : 3/27/2019 9:23 am : link
was his cumulative failures in prior drafts such that the Giants were forced year after year to place need equal to or greater than BPA. There was a lot of rationalization here that the marriage of BPA + Need was not a bad outcome, but in fact need seemed more often than not to trump BPA, and we've seen the corrosive effect of that on the caliber of the Giants' rosters over time.

One of the great features of draft time has been the counterpoint of Sy's picks to Giants' FO, as a touchstone, hope we see it this year too.

Matt, thanks for the caution and the rationality!!
If you pair him with a ball hawking FS, he will be a beast.  
Doomster : 3/27/2019 1:08 pm : link
How does a FS make him a beast? Only Collins can make himself a beast.....
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