Remember the 4 player draft of 1996 and the 6 blue chip draft of 1997? The consensus in 1996 was Keyshawn, Kevin Hardy, Simeon Rice, Jon Ogden and the rest. We picked 5th and Cedric the Cyclops Jones who went on to not see very well or play very well. The hope at the time was that the Ravens bite on Lawrence Phillips (RIP) but no dice. Fortunately the first round that year was a bit of a crapshow, with guys like Alex Molden, Eddie Kennison, Marcus Jones, John Michel stinking up their teams or just not being worth a 1st. Of course Eddie George, Marvin Harrison and Ray Lewis all went at 14, 19 and 26 respectively. We did hit paydirt with Amani Toomer in round 2, but Cedric Jones...blech.
Next year we pull the stink job again and pick 7th. Orlando Pace, Darrell Russel, Shawn Springs, Peter Boulware, Bryant Westbrook and Walter Jones go 1-6. If I recall, names like James Farrior, Chris Naeole, Yatil Green and Dwayne Rudd were popular here and we took undersized, underfasted WR Ike Hilliard. Now, Hilliard put up some numbers but likely would have been better if not for the cheap shot artist Brian Dawkins (i think) injuring him early in his career. It was essentially the big 6 and we pick 7th. Later in round one, HoF TE Tony Gonzale, Tarik Glenn, Warrick Dunn, James Farrior all had pretty good success and we again hit paydirt in round with Tiki Barber.
So this year we pick 6th. Absolutely positively, Joey Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen and Kyler Murray go 1-4 or so I believe. Those 3 defenders the no question top players in this class and I don't see one getting past pick 4, assuming AZ does the predicted and takes Kyler Murray. So where does that really leave us? What does TB do? Does someone trade up ahead of 6 for Haskins? If so, he's in the top 5 and we are left with, Montez Sweat? Drew Lock? Devin White? Sweat would be fine with me, as would White but it feels like we're going to get 96d or 97d again. Picking just outside the top and having to reach or settle and then hearing how this was our guy all along. I'm hoping and praying someone breaks ranks and one of the top 3 falls but I just don't see it. Again the consolation could be Haskins or White or Sweat, all great choices to me but I have a Han Solo like bad feeling about pick 6.
On this guy the scouts appear unanimous - as close to a sure thing as you can get.
It would take some brass balls to do it, but Jeffrey Simmons in the absolute real deal at DT. But that off-the-field incident is going to haunt him. If you believe the reports out of MSU, that Simmons is a reformed man, then a team is going to get a defensive monster.
Look, Hockenson is a stud. A rare TE who blocks - basically, another T. But I couldn't bring myself to see us use a #6 pick on him. Now if we trade down...
I'm getting more and more interested in Byron Murphy as a corner. I thought he looked terrific at the Combine. Deion was effusive with praise about his ability to backpedal and flip his hip. This is a very good player.
BTW, had we drafted Darnold last year, I would be very persuadable to take Josh Jacobs at #17. ;) That kid is very, very interesting...
It would take some brass balls to do it, but Jeffrey Simmons in the absolute real deal at DT. But that off-the-field incident is going to haunt him. If you believe the reports out of MSU, that Simmons is a reformed man, then a team is going to get a defensive monster.
Look, Hockenson is a stud. A rare TE who blocks - basically, another T. But I couldn't bring myself to see us use a #6 pick on him. Now if we trade down...
I'm getting more and more interested in Byron Murphy as a corner. I thought he looked terrific at the Combine. Deion was effusive with praise about his ability to backpedal and flip his hip. This is a very good player.
BTW, had we drafted Darnold last year, I would be very persuadable to take Josh Jacobs at #17. ;) That kid is very, very interesting...
We may end up with a bust - that happens but it won't be because we're caught with our pants down or are bemoaning the fact that this or that guy who we really loved is off the board.
I trust your thinking, except at WR, and maybe I'm too hung up on those horrible years. You actually made me feel better, and you usually make want to kill a Mara.
I think the draft is so deep defensively that all 32 teams could go defense in round one...and be happy.
We've just got to get it right; no swings and misses.
It would take some brass balls to do it, but Jeffrey Simmons in the absolute real deal at DT. But that off-the-field incident is going to haunt him. If you believe the reports out of MSU, that Simmons is a reformed man, then a team is going to get a defensive monster.
Look, Hockenson is a stud. A rare TE who blocks - basically, another T. But I couldn't bring myself to see us use a #6 pick on him. Now if we trade down...
I'm getting more and more interested in Byron Murphy as a corner. I thought he looked terrific at the Combine. Deion was effusive with praise about his ability to backpedal and flip his hip. This is a very good player.
BTW, had we drafted Darnold last year, I would be very persuadable to take Josh Jacobs at #17. ;) That kid is very, very interesting...
If Hockenson is Gronk good he’s worth it at even 6. Of course is he? I can see passing on him at 6 but the point of the thread is that is this a 3 or so player top tier draft. I think it’s deeper and so do you it seems. I’d rather over draft a stud like Hockenson than reach for a combine warrior or the Apple and Flowers that’s for sure
2 me, 3 stand above the rest: Allen, Q. Williams and Bosa in that order.
Allen is my favorite.
6’6”
264 lbs
10.75 hands
34.5 arms
T J:
6’5”
251 lbs
9.25 hands
32.5;arms
TJ will be a good player but he is nowhere close to,Gronk physically.
In 2013 I really wanted the Giants to draft Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert. However, they were desperate to find a Right Tackle who could start right away, having failed to find one in free agency, so with the 19th pick they drafted Justin Pugh. Eifert went two picks later to Cincinnati.
Now it seems they're in the same boat, desperate to find a Right Tackle who could start right away.
6’6”
264 lbs
10.75 hands
34.5 arms
T J:
6’5”
251 lbs
9.25 hands
32.5;arms
TJ will be a good player but he is nowhere close to,Gronk physically.
Have you seen him block? He’s another tackle on the field. It’s just that he’s athletic enough - on the high plus side - to also catch passes. In other words, he’s almost exactly like Gronk. Don’t get caught up in one inch of height and ten pounds.
And here’s the best part. Unlike Gronk, he comes into the league with a much better medical.
Not sure if it'll mirror 96-97 (sure as hell hope not, obviously) mainly because this seems to be a very deep draft defensively, so might the Giants be in a slightly expanded "top X picks" range?
I have a lot of hope and optimism after what appears to have been a very solid draft last year. Nervous as hell about the possible QB picks at 6 ... feel a whole lot more calm about a defensive player.
And I don't think the consensus top 5 or 6 guys are necessarily what NFL front office are thinking. That's why I actually feel the Giants may package 6 and 17 to target someone.
But it's so hard to call how it plays out. I think the Murray to AZ thing is very real and if that's the case (and we are actually really in on Rosen) all bets are off... lol
The Giants are in a much better position than in either of the aforementioned drafts. I don't see much of a drop off between players like Sweat, Gary and White from Bosa and Williams. And neither of those players will be Cedric Jones. Don't know WTF happened there, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that will happen again.
The Giants are in a much better position than in either of the aforementioned drafts. I don't see much of a drop off between players like Sweat, Gary and White from Bosa and Williams. And neither of those players will be Cedric Jones. Don't know WTF happened there, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that will happen again.
Yeah this was the draft day that convinced me forever that BPA is always the best pick regardless of position/need (and there are many examples before and after, but this one stuck with me). Talk about a reach at a pick of need. I remember they liked Simeon Rice and clearly reached for Jones once he was off the board. Unreal. Especially with the amount of great players that came out in that draft. To be fair, Jones was a very good college player, but he did not nearly have the size and strength (or really ANY physical measurables) to be successful in the NFL. He was also coming off knee and eye surgery.
6’6”
264 lbs
10.75 hands
34.5 arms
T J:
6’5”
251 lbs
9.25 hands
32.5;arms
TJ will be a good player but he is nowhere close to,Gronk physically.
There were plenary of guys whose measurable mirrored LT. How many of them were close? None.
Not many guys will ever mirror Gronk. It’s about the on the field production. Hockenson by reports is a better blocker, healthier, and can still catch. It’s not like he’s 6’1. Personally the numbers you listed are ok for comparison but to me the don’t mean much. What happens on the field does. Gronk is a sure fire HOF guy IMO amd this kid is a prospect. The point is if you believe he ca have a Gronk like impact 6 is not to high to me
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I think he's got the highest ceiling out of the entire group of defensive linemen.
The Giants are in a much better position than in either of the aforementioned drafts. I don't see much of a drop off between players like Sweat, Gary and White from Bosa and Williams. And neither of those players will be Cedric Jones. Don't know WTF happened there, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that will happen again.
Yeah this was the draft day that convinced me forever that BPA is always the best pick regardless of position/need (and there are many examples before and after, but this one stuck with me). Talk about a reach at a pick of need. I remember they liked Simeon Rice and clearly reached for Jones once he was off the board. Unreal. Especially with the amount of great players that came out in that draft. To be fair, Jones was a very good college player, but he did not nearly have the size and strength (or really ANY physical measurables) to be successful in the NFL. He was also coming off knee and eye surgery.
Yeah, I remember watching Jones on the Giants, and wondering where the explosion was? No get off, no power. I think it was year three he finally started making a few plays here and there in the running game, but man, to be picking 5th in the draft and get virtually nada hurt, especially when the player picked right before us Ogden, ended up being a hall of famer, and they desperately needed some offensive line help as well.
crazy not to get an Offensive tackle out of the this
draft someone that could take over foe Soldier and play
RT to replace him God forbid if he goes down .
If you look at the #6 pick as we are most likely going to get a solid starter to fill some holes, but not necessarily a great player on the same level as Barkley, I think you will be happier with who ever we pick.
I'm more excited about all the picks that we have then who we take at #6. I hope the Giants stay disciplined to their evaluations and don't reach for players. Gettleman preaches this, just hope he doesn't get tempted to reach for a QB.