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onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 10:54 am
Take this for whatever it's worth.

1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.

2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.

3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.

4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.

5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.

6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.

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Most of it makes sense  
jeff57 : 4/1/2019 10:55 am : link
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I fully believe #2  
ron mexico : 4/1/2019 10:55 am : link
and its a shame that this team can't handle the slightest bit of controversy

#2 sucks  
UConn4523 : 4/1/2019 10:56 am : link
not having Eli means the price for Rosen likely goes up. Having Eli makes it messy for 2019 (which I don’t give a shit about by the FO will).
Thank you for the info, much appreciated...  
No Where Man : 4/1/2019 10:57 am : link
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I like it...  
Dnew15 : 4/1/2019 10:57 am : link
asshat info is always fun...this info seems more believable than most.

Those moves make a lot of sense.
Yeah don’t bring in a QB you like  
Oscar : 4/1/2019 10:58 am : link
Because it might make things uncomfortable for Eli. Fuck sake.
#2 does suck  
beatrixkiddo : 4/1/2019 10:58 am : link
and that is a poor reason not to take the best QB available, if Giants GM and Coach think Rosen is better than the QB's available in this draft, and FO won't do it because they fear controversy I seriously worry about this organization. You can't be afraid to make the right decisions for this football teams future, baffling.
Asshat  
UConn4523 : 4/1/2019 10:59 am : link
not asking for specifics but how good is your info, usually?
There's a plan...  
bw in dc : 4/1/2019 11:00 am : link
Let's not acquire an asset/talent because it may cause controversy and make things uneasy for Eli.

Here's an idea - f-ckin' manage it.
Sam Beal and Greedy Williams will be a nice CB duo to grow along with  
No Where Man : 4/1/2019 11:00 am : link
S Peppers and all tutored by S Bethea.... This will be Jenkins last year regardless if he is not released or traded....
If you trade for Rosen I can think ....  
DonQuixote : 4/1/2019 11:00 am : link
of an easy way to avoid a QB controversy and also clear up some salary cap space.
This is really good stuff  
Anakim : 4/1/2019 11:00 am : link
Thanks
Uconn  
onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 11:01 am : link
pretty solid. The draft stuff if always fluid so i'd take that a little more touch and go. Things can always change there.

One thing I forgot, the Giants are in NO way considering giving eli an extension.
If this is Slade's new handle...  
BC Eagles94 : 4/1/2019 11:01 am : link
we can just delete the thread.
Not a big Greedy fan  
jeff57 : 4/1/2019 11:01 am : link
But I guess I could live with him at 17.
I do believe this  
twostepgiants : 4/1/2019 11:01 am : link
Thank you for posting

#2 is sad and pathetic and explains the Giants current predicament.
But this doesn't...  
BC Eagles94 : 4/1/2019 11:02 am : link
sound like Slade.
Eli is a huge cloud over the organization..  
Sean : 4/1/2019 11:03 am : link
Why does a 38 year old player off of a 8-23 record in the last 2 years bring so much angst? We can’t have a QB controversy?

jtgiants has alludes to the fact that we won’t bring in Rosen because the starting job was promised to Eli. I really hope that is incorrect information.
Lock makes so much sense at 6  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:03 am : link
He won't be there at 17 because we know Elway loves him and will take him at 10. It's possible that Lock won't be on the board at 6 with Gruden reportedly being very high on him. He has final say over personnel matters so if he wants him enough the Raiders will make him the pick at 4.
RE: But this doesn't...  
Anakim : 4/1/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14365868 BC Eagles94 said:
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sound like Slade.



Yeah, no riddles, inferences or pictures. Just straight-up info.
If #2 is true,  
Blue The Dog : 4/1/2019 11:04 am : link
If it's true, then Eli should have been cut. They can't be making decisions not to bring in a young QB they like and can have for a cheap price because they are afraid of the controversy with their 38 year old QB who's play has been questionable at best for the past few years. That is the definition of letting sentimentally run the organization instead of what's best for the team
Good info makes sense  
Tuckrule : 4/1/2019 11:05 am : link
Do not like greedy Williams at all. Weak corner class and he’s the best sadly. A big pass for me until round 2. Would love n’keal Harry been touting him for a while but I doubt he gets out of round 1 for
Onetimeasshat  
jtgiants : 4/1/2019 11:05 am : link
Appreciate the info. I stand by my stance rosen won't be a giant. You are right though. The Giants are playing Eli as long as there in a playoff race. If rosen comes he sits. That would create a controversy they don't want. That said they aren't in love with him and also are wary of his personality would fit in NY. Despite people pushing back on this it is a HUGE issue
So fucking aggravating  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 11:05 am : link
They are not trying to immediately improve upon a cooked, expensive 38 year old quarterback. Defies all logic.
If #2 is in fact true  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:05 am : link
then that shows a level of incompetence in the front office. If they feel Rosen has franchise QB upside and they refrain from trading for him because they want to avoid a QB controversy then the wrong people are in charge.
Someone will offer more that a couple of 3rds I would think  
BillT : 4/1/2019 11:05 am : link
If a late 3rd and a conditional 3rd is all they are offering for Rosen there would have to be someone who will offer more than that but what do I know.
RE: Onetimeasshat  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14365880 jtgiants said:
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Appreciate the info. I stand by my stance rosen won't be a giant. You are right though. The Giants are playing Eli as long as there in a playoff race. If rosen comes he sits. That would create a controversy they don't want. That said they aren't in love with him and also are wary of his personality would fit in NY. Despite people pushing back on this it is a HUGE issue

Have you heard if they are seriously considering Lock at 6?
RE: Eli is a huge cloud over the organization..  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/1/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14365870 Sean said:
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Why does a 38 year old player off of a 8-23 record in the last 2 years bring so much angst? We can’t have a QB controversy?

jtgiants has alludes to the fact that we won’t bring in Rosen because the starting job was promised to Eli. I really hope that is incorrect information.


"Job promised to Eli"... NOBODY should be promised ANYTHING. No wonder this org has been a dumpster fire over the past several yrs.. and it starts with ownership. I'll say it again, sentiment doesnt will football games!!
RE: Someone will offer more that a couple of 3rds I would think  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14365883 BillT said:
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If a late 3rd and a conditional 3rd is all they are offering for Rosen there would have to be someone who will offer more than that but what do I know.

NE With multiple day two picks will likely be the team to acquire him IMO. It will be entertaining to see those who didn't want Rosen on the Giants flip and criticize the Giants for not trading for Rosen because Belichick did.
And the #2 is not that big a deal  
BillT : 4/1/2019 11:08 am : link
It shows they get what it means to bring in a Rosen. That's just the reality of the move. They be dumb not to get that.
What  
jtgiants : 4/1/2019 11:08 am : link
All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change
Thanks for the info.  
Klaatu : 4/1/2019 11:09 am : link
Can't say that I like it, though.
Why are people...  
Strip-Sack : 4/1/2019 11:09 am : link
assuming #2 is some "worried about Eli" thing? I read it as not wanting a huge every single day distraction with the insane NY media...makes some sense to me as they just got rid of OBJ for the same thing...and, is it that hard to imagine a personality like Rosen's in NY with that situation would potentially make things all the worse. In no way do I see this as some kind of deference to Eli and his feelings...that's just absurd IMO. While I don't think you can guide your franchise based on fear of the media or fan reaction, I also think that NY is a very unique environment and you would be a fool to ignore that all together. Not to mention, the OBJ trade just proves my point in that they obviously didn't overly concern themselves with fan or media reaction.
If #1, #3, and #4 come to pass  
rnargi : 4/1/2019 11:10 am : link
this team becomes instantly respectable. If #2 happens, I could care less who starts. Rosen is a talented kid who got pummeled and kept coming back last year. Two thirds would be fine by me.

Get a WR in the draft, depth on the lines, and with these additions, the transformation is looking good.
The sense I got  
onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 11:11 am : link
was the giants arent going to take a QB at 6 or 17. If they do a trade up back into the first rd from 37 is most likely to make sure they get the 5th year.

The giants, right or wrong, believe that if they put good enough talent around Eli he can still be a middle tier qb. They know they need his replacement but they dont think he's completely shot and arent going to force a QB just to appease the fans.
So they like Rosen but won't  
Metnut : 4/1/2019 11:11 am : link
bring him in because they don't want anyone to challenge Eli? I wish I found this hard to believe, but it seems very Giantsy to me. Wow.
Why worry about controversy?  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/1/2019 11:12 am : link
I never get that. Just make your move and to hell with the noize from the outside world.

As far as the lockerroom, isn't that part of the reason for the massive roster turnover?. Make the move you need to make, then get everyone in line. And screw the noize.
I don't get that either  
Anakim : 4/1/2019 11:12 am : link
Eli's in his final year. What's the issue with trading for Rosen, having him sit for a year and then starting him the following year? Is it that Giants brass are afraid that if Eli struggles, fans will be calling for Rosen?
Burns at scares me a bit. Screams  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/1/2019 11:13 am : link
Tweener. Could be a stud or a dud. I’d do cartwheels if it’s White. Rather have Sweat than Burns if they want an edge.
Should  
ChicagoMarty : 4/1/2019 11:13 am : link
the Jints go with White and Greedy Williams with their first two choices their pass defense will have improved immeasurably.

Almost too good to be true

Thanks for the fantasy asshat
RE: What  
Strip-Sack : 4/1/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14365892 jtgiants said:
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change


Totally agree, Eli is a perfectly acceptable option at QB once the talent around him improves...IMO, he's good for a couple more years.
RE: Why are people...  
UConn4523 : 4/1/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14365896 Strip-Sack said:
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assuming #2 is some "worried about Eli" thing? I read it as not wanting a huge every single day distraction with the insane NY media...makes some sense to me as they just got rid of OBJ for the same thing...and, is it that hard to imagine a personality like Rosen's in NY with that situation would potentially make things all the worse. In no way do I see this as some kind of deference to Eli and his feelings...that's just absurd IMO. While I don't think you can guide your franchise based on fear of the media or fan reaction, I also think that NY is a very unique environment and you would be a fool to ignore that all together. Not to mention, the OBJ trade just proves my point in that they obviously didn't overly concern themselves with fan or media reaction.


You answered your question. They could cut Eli and solve it. Or they can bring Rosen in and let them battle it out (never going to happen in a million years). But instead of either of those they will likely stay out and just roll with Eli since they just paid his bonus. That blows, and I don’t even love Rosen, but it would finally let us turn the page.
Thanks, Asshat!  
jpkmets : 4/1/2019 11:14 am : link
This is good stuff.

I hope they are right on Greedy. He looked completely lost at the Combine. Deion pointed out some ways that his technique was shockingly bad.
I Have No Problem With Any of This  
Bernie : 4/1/2019 11:14 am : link
and as for point #2, the Giants are NOT saying they would not do the trade if AZ would take a couple of 3rd round picks. In addition, they are just acknowledging what we all know would be true re: a QB controversy from day 1.
Comp Picks  
Brian in SI : 4/1/2019 11:15 am : link
When is the date a team can sign a free agent and not affect the comp picks?

RE: What  
Capt. Don : 4/1/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14365892 jtgiants said:
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change


Eli can still play if everything around him is perfect. It wont be. It isnt that he is immobile it is that he is a traffic cone and needs a good base to throw. Rosen is not a great athlete but he is nimble and can manipulate the pocket. Eli cant. He drops like a sack of potatoes every time someone gets within arms length.

Lets say they do win this year. Maybe 9-7, 10-6 which I think is a huge stretch but if it happens...then what?

I dont mind losing IF we are building towards something. Keeping Eli and going 9-7 (a stretch) does nothing for me.
RE: RE: Why are people...  
Strip-Sack : 4/1/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14365905 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14365896 Strip-Sack said:


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assuming #2 is some "worried about Eli" thing? I read it as not wanting a huge every single day distraction with the insane NY media...makes some sense to me as they just got rid of OBJ for the same thing...and, is it that hard to imagine a personality like Rosen's in NY with that situation would potentially make things all the worse. In no way do I see this as some kind of deference to Eli and his feelings...that's just absurd IMO. While I don't think you can guide your franchise based on fear of the media or fan reaction, I also think that NY is a very unique environment and you would be a fool to ignore that all together. Not to mention, the OBJ trade just proves my point in that they obviously didn't overly concern themselves with fan or media reaction.



You answered your question. They could cut Eli and solve it. Or they can bring Rosen in and let them battle it out (never going to happen in a million years). But instead of either of those they will likely stay out and just roll with Eli since they just paid his bonus. That blows, and I don’t even love Rosen, but it would finally let us turn the page.


They obviously think he can still play and is their best option this year and maybe next so they're not cutting him. My point is they aren't doing it to appease Eli IMO.
Metnut  
jtgiants : 4/1/2019 11:16 am : link
I don't think they love Rosen at all but anything is possible based on value. I've been consistent on what I post particularly regarding Rosen
RE: Sam Beal and Greedy Williams will be a nice CB duo to grow along with  
Pan-handler : 4/1/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14365856 No Where Man said:
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S Peppers and all tutored by S Bethea.... This will be Jenkins last year regardless if he is not released or traded....



Comments:

-Greedy is the best man to man guy in the draft by far and would be amazing value at 17. Love they are trying to address CB early if true.

-At #6 that short list is definitely not bad but a bit surprising not to see Oliver or Sweat on it. Some of those guys can be had via slight trade down too.

-Q.Will is probably their #1 guy on their entire board because he can line up anywhere on a 3-4 DL and wreak havoc. He would be amazing if we somehow got him.

-Not surprised at the Rosen stuff. It's too bad because he'd be a great fit here. Hopefully we up the offer to a #2.
RE: Why worry about controversy?  
Harvest Blend : 4/1/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14365900 Sneakers O'toole said:
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I never get that. Just make your move and to hell with the noize from the outside world.

As far as the lockerroom, isn't that part of the reason for the massive roster turnover?. Make the move you need to make, then get everyone in line. And screw the noize.


90% of the outside world has been killing the Giants for everything they've done this offseason. Doesn't seem to me that they really care.
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