Take this for whatever it's worth.
1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.
2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.
3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.
4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.
5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.
6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.
Flame away
I hope they are right on Greedy. He looked completely lost at the Combine. Deion pointed out some ways that his technique was shockingly bad.
I saw that piece. Deion was outstanding in that segment.
Agreed. If they were really sold on Rosen the Eli thing wouldn't be an issue at all.
Two years for a guy coming off back surgery who can't pass a physical yet? What if they anticipate wrong and he isn't healthy by May? What then?
Also, a CB or WR early on? Sounds like Jerry Reese 2.0.
I'd like to hear Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins considered there as well.
Greedy would make sense at 17 but I don't see him available.
I can assure you, we get it.
This organization has renewed their all-in commitment with Eli and we'll likely win between 3-9 games.
Then in the postmortem next year, Gettleman will give us his "crock" line again and we'll be back where we started.
That sound about right?
I've been told they like him...liked him last year...not enough to draft obviously over Saquon and would have taken Darnold over all of them. They just loved saquon that much.
One thing people have to keep in mind is these are real people with jobs. The safe route was to take saquon. The safe route this year is draft into the strength of the draft (defense). This keeps people employed longer than taking a swing on a QB they dont believe in at #6.
As far as the lockerroom, isn't that part of the reason for the massive roster turnover?. Make the move you need to make, then get everyone in line. And screw the noize.
That controversy bleeds into the lockerroom. Tons of questions nonstop to all the players. How is Rosen? Who do you like better? How should be starting? blah blah blah
No disrespect, but "Eli can still play" is not the same thing as "Eli is still getting it done".
What they are doing, in essence, is making excuses for him...blaming his poor performance on other factors. What they aren't doing is asking themselves whether he is the best option.
He's a sacred cow. It's a roster of 52+1.
Also, a CB or WR early on? Sounds like Jerry Reese 2.0.
Is this to say that cornerback isn't a need, or that the position isn't important?
I disagree with both.
1. Eli was never mobile. Not sure what makes you think he's that less mobile now.
2. Rosen not nimble. At all. People like Rosen but I'm just not one of them.
3. No matter what happens this year you won't be happy. You philosophically disagree with them trying to win and there not changing course so it is what it is
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I don't think they love Rosen at all but anything is possible based on value. I've been consistent on what I post particularly regarding Rosen
I've been told they like him...liked him last year...not enough to draft obviously over Saquon and would have taken Darnold over all of them. They just loved saquon that much.
One thing people have to keep in mind is these are real people with jobs. The safe route was to take saquon. The safe route this year is draft into the strength of the draft (defense). This keeps people employed longer than taking a swing on a QB they dont believe in at #6.
Sans Chris Mara... That dude is playing Madden & has zero job security issues!
Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Just my opinion.
But I would imagine they would look for a pretty solid update from the doctors on his progress prior to the draft. Because if the back doesn't improve enough , a later round flier on an OT may not cut it.
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change
No disrespect, but "Eli can still play" is not the same thing as "Eli is still getting it done".
What they are doing, in essence, is making excuses for him...blaming his poor performance on other factors. What they aren't doing is asking themselves whether he is the best option.
He's a sacred cow. It's a roster of 52+1.
He’s still a solid QB. I still think they should draft a guy or trade for Rosen. To me the best model is the KC approach that Gettleman has already talked about. Bring in the new guy, let him sit behind Eli for this year. If we start losing a bunch of games, new guy comes in. I get why they are keeping Eli, it’s a league where teams can turn things around very quickly. Rosen or a rookie are not going to give us as good of a chance to win this year. In the future, absolutely.
That can't be the plan. You'd have to be insane to think this defense is a bunch of rookies away from being taken seriously.
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They're committed to Eli for 2019 now. Sean is right...drafting a QB doesn't really support their goal of winning now. Further, if the OP is correct, it's pathetic that they wouldn't bring in a superior prospect (Rosen) at a cheaper cost out of fear that it will cause a QB controversy. Absolutely pathetic.
Rosen is a better prospect than Jones, and it will cost less to get him...but Jones makes Eli safer as the QB.
52+1.
Just my opinion.
He's signing a two year deal that is going to pay him under 6 million per season. Most of the guaranteed $ is upfront. They're paying him to be a stop gap player.
#1 seems the most likely to me.
IMHO waiting till the 3rd or 4th round for an RT is ridiculous.
That said, the Remmers bit rings true.
#1 seems the most likely to me.
IMHO waiting till the 3rd or 4th round for an RT is ridiculous.
RT's slip and are often taken in later rounds.
That said, the Remmers bit rings true.
You're not going to see me actively posting here. When Remmers contract comes in at the # I provided I'll come back for the victory lap lol.
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1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.
Two years for a guy coming off back surgery who can't pass a physical yet? What if they anticipate wrong and he isn't healthy by May? What then?
Also, a CB or WR early on? Sounds like Jerry Reese 2.0.
I can see your point. My guess is, should the rumor be true, it's a cheap two year contract that will likely end up being for one year - minimum guarantees.
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I don't think they love Rosen at all but anything is possible based on value. I've been consistent on what I post particularly regarding Rosen
I've been told they like him...liked him last year...not enough to draft obviously over Saquon and would have taken Darnold over all of them. They just loved saquon that much.
One thing people have to keep in mind is these are real people with jobs. The safe route was to take saquon. The safe route this year is draft into the strength of the draft (defense). This keeps people employed longer than taking a swing on a QB they dont believe in at #6.
If their focus is on keeping their job by playing it safe and ignoring possible long term options at QB then they don't deserve to keep their jobs.
You can't look at this roster and think super bowl contender. If their goal is just to make the playoffs then they need to be replaced. Getting a young franchise QB is the right choice because that will give them a better shot in the long term. Of course if they get it wrong they will face scrutiny but you can't blame them for trying. Put the faith in your scouts.
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Also, a CB or WR early on? Sounds like Jerry Reese 2.0.
Is this to say that cornerback isn't a need, or that the position isn't important?
I disagree with both.
Sure it's a need, and the position is important, but I think a greater need is to fortify the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Take a quarterback
BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.
The other reason being if our current center doesn’t work out... we will be using a high draft pick next year on the center position.
It’s just how I would roll !!!!
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Also, a CB or WR early on? Sounds like Jerry Reese 2.0.
Is this to say that cornerback isn't a need, or that the position isn't important?
I disagree with both.
Sure it's a need, and the position is important, but I think a greater need is to fortify the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Even if it means taking a lesser player? That seems counter productive.
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Giants will overpay for a FA coming off a serious injury. I would pass on Remmers and get my RT in the draft at number 17 who will be a better player.
Just my opinion.
He's signing a two year deal that is going to pay him under 6 million per season. Most of the guaranteed $ is upfront. They're paying him to be a stop gap player.
My prediction is that Remmers will be the stopgap for Tytus Howard.
If we use the top two choices on D then the D will receive a wonderful and badly needed infusion of talent.
#37 could well see someone like Dillard or Risner or Gajuste or McGrary for ORT. That would not be bad at all.
Or they could really roll the dice and hope that Hakeem Butler wr falls to #37. That would be something and take steel cajones to select Butler over a good ORT prospect
1. Eli was never mobile. Not sure what makes you think he's that less mobile now.
2. Rosen not nimble. At all. People like Rosen but I'm just not one of them.
3. No matter what happens this year you won't be happy. You philosophically disagree with them trying to win and there not changing course so it is what it is
I disagree - Yes he was mobile. Watch 2011 NFC Championship game - he extended plays by being mobile in the pocket. He no longer does that. Dare I also mention the throw to Tyree? That is what I mean by mobile and he absolutely was. He was never a scrambler but he was certainly mobile. Now he just falls down at the first sign of a rush. He also can no longer be accurate or push the ball down the field with people at his feet.
Rosen has the same type of athleticism and mobility that Eli once had. He can manipulate the pocket and can be accurate with an imperfect platform. These are things that Eli could do but no longer can.
I disagree with them in that they would feel vindicated by a 9 or 10 win year wherein we get into the playoffs as a wildcard lose in the 1st or 2nd round. I would enjoy the ride but at the end of the day they are not trying to win a SB, not realistically. Not with Eli bc even if they do that...then what?
The time for half measures at the QB position is over.
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This "asshat" has no track record around here.
That said, the Remmers bit rings true.
You're not going to see me actively posting here. When Remmers contract comes in at the # I provided I'll come back for the victory lap lol.
Onetime...thanks for the info ...it is much appreciated! How solid are you on the order of ranking for those guys at #6? Q.Will definitely makes sense because he has it all. But do they not like Oliver or Sweat?
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This "asshat" has no track record around here.
That said, the Remmers bit rings true.
You're not going to see me actively posting here. When Remmers contract comes in at the # I provided I'll come back for the victory lap lol.
Eric wasn't taking a shot at you. He was confirming that you're not an old fake asshat like Slade or the numerous other trolls that tried to pass as insiders.
I'm happy they like Lock since he's my favorite, but if they don't like him enough to grab at 6 then not sure what they'll do. I can't help but feel that one of Murray, Haskins, Rosen, Lock, or Jones will be a Giant come day 1 ends.
BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.
this asshat reads like our recently retired HOF asshat just trying to stay out of the limelight.
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some creative contract restructurings.
#1 seems the most likely to me.
IMHO waiting till the 3rd or 4th round for an RT is ridiculous.
RT's slip and are often taken in later rounds.
That's what they used to say about Guards.
I think things have changed, the game has changed. RT's are just as important now as LT's, especially for a team that plans on running the ball like the Giants do with Barkley, and has to protect a relatively immobile QB like Eli.