Take this for whatever it's worth.
1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.
2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.
3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.
4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.
5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.
6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.
Flame away
This is the most depressing news I've heard in a while. How can you look at the defense and WR core and think that this is a contender? Yes Barkley is a dynamic superstar but he can't do it alone. Are they really going to pass on a potential franchise QB because they went 4-4 down the stretch. Those wins were against backup QB's for fucks sake. There is no pass rush, a severe lack of depth at CB and S, and the starter at one DE spot is currently Olsen Pierre. How on earth is that a playoff contender?
If we use the top two choices on D then the D will receive a wonderful and badly needed infusion of talent.
#37 could well see someone like Dillard or Risner or Gajuste or McGrary for ORT. That would not be bad at all.
Or they could really roll the dice and hope that Hakeem Butler wr falls to #37. That would be something and take steel cajones to select Butler over a good ORT prospect
If they are confident in Remmers back , it wouldn't be nearly as big a need as before. And for the opportunity to get a guy like Hakeem would be worth it.
Like JtGiants mentioned , another big move that could unfold is Sterling Shepard. I think Shep could be on borrowed time, DG has made a point of purging old regime guys or guys with 2nd contracts about to be due and just brought in Tate (who is a better version of Shep).
With that said, we would have a LOT of draft capital to move up to get guys we've targeted.
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now
I'm happy they like Lock since he's my favorite, but if they don't like him enough to grab at 6 then not sure what they'll do. I can't help but feel that one of Murray, Haskins, Rosen, Lock, or Jones will be a Giant come day 1 ends.
Also, thanks for the info jtgiants (and OP). If the Giants truly don't like Rosen or didn't like Rosen, its hars for me to understand how they could change their mind and all of the sudden like him as a guy to lead their team...so I expect the draft or next years draft to be where they get their new qb
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Not trying to run you off. I am merely pointing out that this is your first post and your bona fides has not been established.
BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.
this asshat reads like our recently retired HOF asshat just trying to stay out of the limelight.
hitdog still posts he just retired from asshattery.
This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.
When some of his info matches what jtgiants and JonC have shared then it's perfectly reasonable to have concerns.
If #2 is true, and the Giants are not going to look at a QB before round 3, then there's a very good possibility most if not all of the top rated QB's are gone by mid round 1 (Murray to AZ, the Bengals get Haskins, Denver gets Lock and Washington gets Jones).
That would leave the Giants in a lurch if there's no way the team gives Eli an extension, unless the plan is to get a placeholder in 2020. As much as I'd love to get one of the top QB's coming out next year, there are no guarantees we can move up that far, there will be a LOT of teams looking for those guys!
As far as Rosen goes, you can stop any controversy by simply telling him that the QB job is his in 2020, and telling the Team that Eli is the starter as long as the team is in the playoff race/Eli does not suffer a crippling injury.
There are good reasons for Rosen to sit out at least some of this year anyway. Letting the new offensive line settle out is one, learning Coach Shurmur's offense, and getting healthy after the beating he took in AZ.
Dont be afraid to stop back with any updates.
99% of the time this is true, and then occasionally there's the Steve Smith situation that was just like this, and was proven accurate.
Even if it means taking a lesser player? That seems counter productive.
Not a lesser player. I think you could find OL or DL of equal or greater value.
Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020
Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M
The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.
Thanks for the info, onetime.
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now
This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.
While I feel that Gettleman and Shurmur deserve at least another year if both of them tell the front office that this team can contend this year and they finish 5-11 or 6-10 then both deserve to be replaced especially if they pass on a QB for the purpose of bringing in a player to help them win now. Of course we all know ownership will just hand the job over to Kevin Abrams because god forbid they bring in someone they are unfamiliar with.
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In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now
I'm happy they like Lock since he's my favorite, but if they don't like him enough to grab at 6 then not sure what they'll do. I can't help but feel that one of Murray, Haskins, Rosen, Lock, or Jones will be a Giant come day 1 ends.
Also, thanks for the info jtgiants (and OP). If the Giants truly don't like Rosen or didn't like Rosen, its hars for me to understand how they could change their mind and all of the sudden like him as a guy to lead their team...so I expect the draft or next years draft to be where they get their new qb
They must have though enough of his skills as a football player to have extensive meetings with him last year
Thanks for the info, onetime.
I just have a feeling that Tytus Howard will be a Giant. I certainly hope so because this kid is going to be a damn good player.
They believe Tate will be a positive influence on him. They felt Odell was the opposite.
If you remember, there was a moment in the panther game where Shepard threw a garbage can over (something to that effect) They felt those outbursts were a result of odell doing it and getting away with it.
---> Simply put, if Rosen is our best option and we can get him at a good value...do it.
We can't hold the franchise back because of a potential QB controversy. Even Eli has to understand this.
If Shurmur is the guy, he needs to manage this accordingly.
This isn't right...
In comment 14365892 jtgiants said:
Now we read this.
Yikes!
1. Eli was never mobile. Not sure what makes you think he's that less mobile now.
2. Rosen not nimble. At all. People like Rosen but I'm just not one of them.
3. No matter what happens this year you won't be happy. You philosophically disagree with them trying to win and there not changing course so it is what it is
Rosen isn't mobile like the elite athletes (Wilson, Cam etc.) and he's not as athletic as the pretty mobile guys like Darnold, Garrappolo types. But he's at least as mobile as Goff, Ryan etc. I mean saying Manning "isn't mobile" doesn't suffice. Not only can't he run EVER but if he moves right or left outside the pocket his coordination fails him in terms of throwing a decent ball.
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In comment 14365981 Eric from BBI said:
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Not trying to run you off. I am merely pointing out that this is your first post and your bona fides has not been established.
BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.
this asshat reads like our recently retired HOF asshat just trying to stay out of the limelight.
hitdog still posts he just retired from asshattery.
I know that, he also seems to avoid posting about football related subjects in general probably in part bc he still gets constant requests for info.
If there was a non-attention seeking to the point of publicly retiring real deal insider, who came into some info and was looking to post while avoiding more unwanted attention, what would that person do differently than "one time asshat"? This could also be a phony asshat (always a strong possibility), but it seems least likely to me this is just some brand new insider who only wanted to share info here one time.
I like jt a lot, but the more I read his posts, the more depressed I get about the current state and future of this franchise.
I'm not saying they aren't better than last year but if they were deluded into thinking this team is a contender because of a few wins late last year versus backup QB's then we should really worry about their ability to properly evaluate the roster.
Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020
Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M
The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.
I don’t understand your second point. There is nowhere to spend the $15M for this year at this point. We will get that cap space back next year if Eli retires or they don’t resign him. Unless I am mistaken you can’t extra carry cap space over from year to year. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
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This "asshat" has no track record around here.
That said, the Remmers bit rings true.
You're not going to see me actively posting here. When Remmers contract comes in at the # I provided I'll come back for the victory lap lol.
Sounds like we’ll be kissing the ring...
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Rosen best case - we have a quality QB at $2M/year
Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020
Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M
The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.
I don’t understand your second point. There is nowhere to spend the $15M for this year at this point. We will get that cap space back next year if Eli retires or they don’t resign him. Unless I am mistaken you can’t extra carry cap space over from year to year. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
you are wrong, you can carry it over
And when they don't win these people that support DG and the FO will say "they weren't really trying to win anyways" and point to how they went 6-10 instead of 5-11. Then they'll get on those of us that say DG is incompetent for believing he had a winning team.
For those of that believe we are going to be bad again-- you can understand that if the FO thinks GMEN can win and we don't -- and we prove to be right -- and we blow chance to get a good QB -- we're going to be really really pissed, right?
Agree completely but I think that is the case
You're right. It's all too late now.
The Giants have passed on both Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen in the name of keeping Eli Manning.
In comment 14365986 ChicagoMarty said:
If we use the top two choices on D then the D will receive a wonderful and badly needed infusion of talent.
#37 could well see someone like Dillard or Risner or Gajuste or McGrary for ORT. That would not be bad at all.
Or they could really roll the dice and hope that Hakeem Butler wr falls to #37. That would be something and take steel cajones to select Butler over a good ORT prospect
Eli's presence at $23M doesn't make that any more likely than Rosen's at $2M. We could have gone into this season with Rosen as the starting QB AND 3-4 additional FAs to build up the roster.
You're right. It's all too late now.
The Giants have passed on both Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen in the name of keeping Eli Manning.
We can still get Rosen. Barkley was just too good to pass up last year, the guy is amazing.
This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.
I could not agree more. However, at this time of year, we never know if the rumors we hear have any basis in fact or if it's just teams feeding bull to the insiders that they want out there.
I'm hoping for Lock in the draft. I'm also hoping that after this draft, I might change my opinion of Gettleman and Mara because right now, the leadership of this organization is really beginning to concern me.
Eli is an Ironman but if he gets hurt with what we have at backup QB, this season is a flush. To me that would make getting Rosen more of a priority.
Man, I can't wait till some of these things play out.
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Not fair at all. The best case is the team surprises and eli plays well and we make the playoffs. You discounting that as a possibility is where you lose me
Eli's presence at $23M doesn't make that any more likely than Rosen's at $2M. We could have gone into this season with Rosen as the starting QB AND 3-4 additional FAs to build up the roster.
This is my opinion not information. But the giants paying 3-4 top free agents this years would have been foolish. It will be foolish if they do it next year too.
You win in this league by drafting well and filling a gaping hole in free agency every so often.
Even if they answer correctly it is still a major distraction for the team and the player. Every bad throw, every loss, everything... You have never heard QB controversy and woohoo in the same sentence. It almost always makes for losing seasons and unrest.