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onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 10:54 am
Take this for whatever it's worth.

1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.

2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.

3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.

4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.

5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.

6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.

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Im betting that...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/1/2019 11:39 am : link
…" The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy.," IS SMOKE.
RE: The qb they like  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now

This is the most depressing news I've heard in a while. How can you look at the defense and WR core and think that this is a contender? Yes Barkley is a dynamic superstar but he can't do it alone. Are they really going to pass on a potential franchise QB because they went 4-4 down the stretch. Those wins were against backup QB's for fucks sake. There is no pass rush, a severe lack of depth at CB and S, and the starter at one DE spot is currently Olsen Pierre. How on earth is that a playoff contender?
#5 makes sense  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/1/2019 11:39 am : link
in the effect that I believe post Mid May I believe free agent signee's no longer count against draft pick compensation. If they wait til post draft they can sign those guys without worry that it will effect the Collins 3rd rounder.
RE: If the Remmers info is accurate  
Pan-handler : 4/1/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14365986 ChicagoMarty said:
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that would allow management to wait until #37 to address ORT instead of forcing their hand with #6 or #17.

If we use the top two choices on D then the D will receive a wonderful and badly needed infusion of talent.

#37 could well see someone like Dillard or Risner or Gajuste or McGrary for ORT. That would not be bad at all.

Or they could really roll the dice and hope that Hakeem Butler wr falls to #37. That would be something and take steel cajones to select Butler over a good ORT prospect


If they are confident in Remmers back , it wouldn't be nearly as big a need as before. And for the opportunity to get a guy like Hakeem would be worth it.

Like JtGiants mentioned , another big move that could unfold is Sterling Shepard. I think Shep could be on borrowed time, DG has made a point of purging old regime guys or guys with 2nd contracts about to be due and just brought in Tate (who is a better version of Shep).

With that said, we would have a LOT of draft capital to move up to get guys we've targeted.
RE: RE: The qb they like  
kelsto811 : 4/1/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14365992 kelsto811 said:
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In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:


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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now



I'm happy they like Lock since he's my favorite, but if they don't like him enough to grab at 6 then not sure what they'll do. I can't help but feel that one of Murray, Haskins, Rosen, Lock, or Jones will be a Giant come day 1 ends.


Also, thanks for the info jtgiants (and OP). If the Giants truly don't like Rosen or didn't like Rosen, its hars for me to understand how they could change their mind and all of the sudden like him as a guy to lead their team...so I expect the draft or next years draft to be where they get their new qb
RE: RE: onetimeasshat  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14365993 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14365981 Eric from BBI said:


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Not trying to run you off. I am merely pointing out that this is your first post and your bona fides has not been established.

BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.



this asshat reads like our recently retired HOF asshat just trying to stay out of the limelight.

hitdog still posts he just retired from asshattery.
Everyone needs to relax  
Mr. Bungle : 4/1/2019 11:40 am : link
instead of thinking that some thread on an Internet message board started by someone who just registered contains any truth to it.
Let's see  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:42 am : link
From reports John Elway and Jon Gruden both love Drew Lock but the Giants don't want to take him at 6 because they want to win now. If all this is true then this organization is entering a dark time.
RE: The qb they like  
NYG07 : 4/1/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now


This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.
RE: Everyone needs to relax  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14366003 Mr. Bungle said:
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instead of thinking that some thread on an Internet message board started by someone who just registered contains any truth to it.

When some of his info matches what jtgiants and JonC have shared then it's perfectly reasonable to have concerns.
Thanks, onetimeasshat  
JohnF : 4/1/2019 11:44 am : link
Still, some things you said worry me:

If #2 is true, and the Giants are not going to look at a QB before round 3, then there's a very good possibility most if not all of the top rated QB's are gone by mid round 1 (Murray to AZ, the Bengals get Haskins, Denver gets Lock and Washington gets Jones).

That would leave the Giants in a lurch if there's no way the team gives Eli an extension, unless the plan is to get a placeholder in 2020. As much as I'd love to get one of the top QB's coming out next year, there are no guarantees we can move up that far, there will be a LOT of teams looking for those guys!

As far as Rosen goes, you can stop any controversy by simply telling him that the QB job is his in 2020, and telling the Team that Eli is the starter as long as the team is in the playoff race/Eli does not suffer a crippling injury.

There are good reasons for Rosen to sit out at least some of this year anyway. Letting the new offensive line settle out is one, learning Coach Shurmur's offense, and getting healthy after the beating he took in AZ.
Don't forget  
jeff57 : 4/1/2019 11:45 am : link
There's a fine line between ass and asshat
Thanks, Asshat!  
mrvax : 4/1/2019 11:45 am : link
Arizona would be idiots to give Rosen away for 2 3rd rounders.

Dont be afraid to stop back with any updates.
RE: Everyone needs to relax  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/1/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14366003 Mr. Bungle said:
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instead of thinking that some thread on an Internet message board started by someone who just registered contains any truth to it.


99% of the time this is true, and then occasionally there's the Steve Smith situation that was just like this, and was proven accurate.
RE:  
Klaatu : 4/1/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14365984 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Even if it means taking a lesser player? That seems counter productive.


Not a lesser player. I think you could find OL or DL of equal or greater value.
this draft is deep on the OL - just last year O. Brown Jr fell to #83  
Eric on Li : 4/1/2019 11:47 am : link
it is a position where you can still find guys with talent outside of the top 2 rounds. It's also an area Gettleman has shown an ability to find talent, and if Remmers is on board there's less urgency than last year to find a day 1 contributor. Someone like Dieter in round 3 would be a great pick.
jtgiants - you don't have to be a Rosen guy to play out the scenarios  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 11:48 am : link
Rosen best case - we have a quality QB at $2M/year

Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020

Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M

The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.
If they're signing Remmers it's a 2 year deal that's essentially a 1  
yatqb : 4/1/2019 11:49 am : link
year deal if he needs to be cut after one season. That's ideal.

Thanks for the info, onetime.
RE: RE: The qb they like  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14366009 NYG07 said:
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now



This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.

While I feel that Gettleman and Shurmur deserve at least another year if both of them tell the front office that this team can contend this year and they finish 5-11 or 6-10 then both deserve to be replaced especially if they pass on a QB for the purpose of bringing in a player to help them win now. Of course we all know ownership will just hand the job over to Kevin Abrams because god forbid they bring in someone they are unfamiliar with.
RE: RE: RE: The qb they like  
ron mexico : 4/1/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14366001 kelsto811 said:
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In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:


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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now



I'm happy they like Lock since he's my favorite, but if they don't like him enough to grab at 6 then not sure what they'll do. I can't help but feel that one of Murray, Haskins, Rosen, Lock, or Jones will be a Giant come day 1 ends.



Also, thanks for the info jtgiants (and OP). If the Giants truly don't like Rosen or didn't like Rosen, its hars for me to understand how they could change their mind and all of the sudden like him as a guy to lead their team...so I expect the draft or next years draft to be where they get their new qb


They must have though enough of his skills as a football player to have extensive meetings with him last year
RE: If they're signing Remmers it's a 2 year deal that's essentially a 1  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14366024 yatqb said:
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year deal if he needs to be cut after one season. That's ideal.

Thanks for the info, onetime.

I just have a feeling that Tytus Howard will be a Giant. I certainly hope so because this kid is going to be a damn good player.
If someone with ZERO TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS as a NFL QB  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/1/2019 11:52 am : link
can create an immediate QB controversy with Eli Manning, then Eli should no longer be the starter or sure as hell shouldn't be making 23 million dollars.
The giants arent considering trading Shepard BTW  
onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 11:53 am : link
Like any player if a homerun deal was sent their way they would but they're not shopping him.

They believe Tate will be a positive influence on him. They felt Odell was the opposite.

If you remember, there was a moment in the panther game where Shepard threw a garbage can over (something to that effect) They felt those outbursts were a result of odell doing it and getting away with it.
RE: What  
Rong5611 : 4/1/2019 11:54 am : link
I'm pro-Eli. That said, this approach - if true - is incorrect. It flies in the face of Mara's claim of not being sentimental with regard to Eli's status.

---> Simply put, if Rosen is our best option and we can get him at a good value...do it.

We can't hold the franchise back because of a potential QB controversy. Even Eli has to understand this.

If Shurmur is the guy, he needs to manage this accordingly.

This isn't right...


In comment 14365892 jtgiants said:
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change
Prior to draft last year  
joeinpa : 4/1/2019 11:54 am : link
Phil Simms predicted Giants would not draft quarterback that high because they would not want to have a quarterback controversy to deal with.

Now we read this.

Yikes!
RE: Capt don  
Pep22 : 4/1/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14365935 jtgiants said:
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A couple of things.

1. Eli was never mobile. Not sure what makes you think he's that less mobile now.

2. Rosen not nimble. At all. People like Rosen but I'm just not one of them.

3. No matter what happens this year you won't be happy. You philosophically disagree with them trying to win and there not changing course so it is what it is


Rosen isn't mobile like the elite athletes (Wilson, Cam etc.) and he's not as athletic as the pretty mobile guys like Darnold, Garrappolo types. But he's at least as mobile as Goff, Ryan etc. I mean saying Manning "isn't mobile" doesn't suffice. Not only can't he run EVER but if he moves right or left outside the pocket his coordination fails him in terms of throwing a decent ball.
Jay  
jtgiants : 4/1/2019 11:55 am : link
I've stated my reasons before. I think the Giants are not nearly as far away as you think. I think they will be much better then you do. Well see. Either way the Giants think they can win. Time will tell but make no mistake they don't agree w you
RE: RE: RE: onetimeasshat  
Eric on Li : 4/1/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14366002 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14365993 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 14365981 Eric from BBI said:


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Not trying to run you off. I am merely pointing out that this is your first post and your bona fides has not been established.

BBI loves asshats when they are accurate.



this asshat reads like our recently retired HOF asshat just trying to stay out of the limelight.


hitdog still posts he just retired from asshattery.


I know that, he also seems to avoid posting about football related subjects in general probably in part bc he still gets constant requests for info.

If there was a non-attention seeking to the point of publicly retiring real deal insider, who came into some info and was looking to post while avoiding more unwanted attention, what would that person do differently than "one time asshat"? This could also be a phony asshat (always a strong possibility), but it seems least likely to me this is just some brand new insider who only wanted to share info here one time.
RE: Jay  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/1/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14366044 jtgiants said:
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I've stated my reasons before. I think the Giants are not nearly as far away as you think. I think they will be much better then you do. Well see. Either way the Giants think they can win. Time will tell but make no mistake they don't agree w you


I like jt a lot, but the more I read his posts, the more depressed I get about the current state and future of this franchise.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 4/1/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14366044 jtgiants said:
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I've stated my reasons before. I think the Giants are not nearly as far away as you think. I think they will be much better then you do. Well see. Either way the Giants think they can win. Time will tell but make no mistake they don't agree w you

I'm not saying they aren't better than last year but if they were deluded into thinking this team is a contender because of a few wins late last year versus backup QB's then we should really worry about their ability to properly evaluate the roster.
i'm all for signing Wilkerson as a FA  
gtt350 : 4/1/2019 11:57 am : link
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RE: jtgiants - you don't have to be a Rosen guy to play out the scenarios  
eric2425ny : 4/1/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14366023 Go Terps said:
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Rosen best case - we have a quality QB at $2M/year

Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020

Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M

The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.


I don’t understand your second point. There is nowhere to spend the $15M for this year at this point. We will get that cap space back next year if Eli retires or they don’t resign him. Unless I am mistaken you can’t extra carry cap space over from year to year. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
Thinking they were a lot closer than they actually are  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/1/2019 11:58 am : link
is how they got in this miserable position to being with.
We do not want Muhammad Wilkerson on this team  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 11:59 am : link
Guy is a losing player.
RE: RE: ...  
Brown Recluse : 4/1/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14365970 onetimeasshat said:
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In comment 14365961 Eric from BBI said:


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This "asshat" has no track record around here.

That said, the Remmers bit rings true.



You're not going to see me actively posting here. When Remmers contract comes in at the # I provided I'll come back for the victory lap lol.


Sounds like we’ll be kissing the ring...
RE: RE: jtgiants - you don't have to be a Rosen guy to play out the scenarios  
ron mexico : 4/1/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14366050 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14366023 Go Terps said:


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Rosen best case - we have a quality QB at $2M/year

Rosen worst case - we have a hole at QB, but we freed up $15M and we can draft a QB in 2020

Actual case - we have a hole at QB at $23M

The worst case scenario with Rosen is better than what is actually going to happen.



I don’t understand your second point. There is nowhere to spend the $15M for this year at this point. We will get that cap space back next year if Eli retires or they don’t resign him. Unless I am mistaken you can’t extra carry cap space over from year to year. Correct me if I am wrong on this.


you are wrong, you can carry it over

Goterps  
jtgiants : 4/1/2019 12:01 pm : link
Not fair at all. The best case is the team surprises and eli plays well and we make the playoffs. You discounting that as a possibility is where you lose me
RE: What  
giantstock : 4/1/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14365892 jtgiants said:
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change


And when they don't win these people that support DG and the FO will say "they weren't really trying to win anyways" and point to how they went 6-10 instead of 5-11. Then they'll get on those of us that say DG is incompetent for believing he had a winning team.

For those of that believe we are going to be bad again-- you can understand that if the FO thinks GMEN can win and we don't -- and we prove to be right -- and we blow chance to get a good QB -- we're going to be really really pissed, right?

RE: If #2 is in fact true  
Festina Lente : 4/1/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14365882 Jay on the Island said:
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then that shows a level of incompetence in the front office. If they feel Rosen has franchise QB upside and they refrain from trading for him because they want to avoid a QB controversy then the wrong people are in charge.


Agree completely but I think that is the case
eric2425  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 12:01 pm : link
It's too late now, but it should have been the approach the moment the 2018 season ended. Eli should have been released in January.

You're right. It's all too late now.

The Giants have passed on both Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen in the name of keeping Eli Manning.
RE: If the Remmers info is accurate  
Rong5611 : 4/1/2019 12:03 pm : link
Yes, it gives them some flexibility. I'd pull the trigger if the value makes sense at 17 (or 6 for that matter).

In comment 14365986 ChicagoMarty said:
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that would allow management to wait until #37 to address ORT instead of forcing their hand with #6 or #17.

If we use the top two choices on D then the D will receive a wonderful and badly needed infusion of talent.

#37 could well see someone like Dillard or Risner or Gajuste or McGrary for ORT. That would not be bad at all.

Or they could really roll the dice and hope that Hakeem Butler wr falls to #37. That would be something and take steel cajones to select Butler over a good ORT prospect
RE: Goterps  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14366058 jtgiants said:
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Not fair at all. The best case is the team surprises and eli plays well and we make the playoffs. You discounting that as a possibility is where you lose me


Eli's presence at $23M doesn't make that any more likely than Rosen's at $2M. We could have gone into this season with Rosen as the starting QB AND 3-4 additional FAs to build up the roster.
RE: eric2425  
eric2425ny : 4/1/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14366062 Go Terps said:
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It's too late now, but it should have been the approach the moment the 2018 season ended. Eli should have been released in January.

You're right. It's all too late now.

The Giants have passed on both Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen in the name of keeping Eli Manning.


We can still get Rosen. Barkley was just too good to pass up last year, the guy is amazing.
Burns?  
Philu916 : 4/1/2019 12:04 pm : link
Burns potentially at 6?and Burns over Oliver? Wow
RE: RE: The qb they like  
BlueVinnie : 4/1/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14366009 NYG07 said:
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In comment 14365989 jtgiants said:


This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.


I could not agree more. However, at this time of year, we never know if the rumors we hear have any basis in fact or if it's just teams feeding bull to the insiders that they want out there.

I'm hoping for Lock in the draft. I'm also hoping that after this draft, I might change my opinion of Gettleman and Mara because right now, the leadership of this organization is really beginning to concern me.
eric2425  
Go Terps : 4/1/2019 12:06 pm : link
If Eli had retired after 2017 I'd bet anything we'd have drafted Darnold over Barkley. That pick was as much about keeping Eli as it was getting Barkley.
Without a quality back up QB  
Boatie Warrant : 4/1/2019 12:06 pm : link
Are you really looking to win this year?

Eli is an Ironman but if he gets hurt with what we have at backup QB, this season is a flush. To me that would make getting Rosen more of a priority.

Man, I can't wait till some of these things play out.
RE: RE: Goterps  
onetimeasshat : 4/1/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14366068 Go Terps said:
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Not fair at all. The best case is the team surprises and eli plays well and we make the playoffs. You discounting that as a possibility is where you lose me



Eli's presence at $23M doesn't make that any more likely than Rosen's at $2M. We could have gone into this season with Rosen as the starting QB AND 3-4 additional FAs to build up the roster.


This is my opinion not information. But the giants paying 3-4 top free agents this years would have been foolish. It will be foolish if they do it next year too.

You win in this league by drafting well and filling a gaping hole in free agency every so often.
RE: Amtoft  
Amtoft : 4/1/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14365940 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Good way to identify the wrong types of players.


Even if they answer correctly it is still a major distraction for the team and the player. Every bad throw, every loss, everything... You have never heard QB controversy and woohoo in the same sentence. It almost always makes for losing seasons and unrest.
Eli’s a big boy,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/1/2019 12:08 pm : link
he can handle the controversy as he handled the Pats. He never complained about his benching per se, just that he didn’t want to be pulled after starting the first half. He preferred to not start at all under that circumstance. If that’s a controversy, have at it..
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