Take this for whatever it's worth.
1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.
2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.
3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.
4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.
5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.
6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.
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Ive agreed with you on the Rosen stuff from the beginning but I disagree with this.
If a Zeke Elliot or Leonard Fournette type were available last year instead of Barkley, I think that Darnold is the pick.
If the Giants go Defense at #6, they can't be going Offense with their first two picks.
Bruce Irvin got a 1 year, $4M contract. Ty Nsekhe got a 2 year, $10M deal. Eric Weddle, 2 year $10.5M.
This is the level of FA I'm talking about. There are many of them that signed this offseason for similar deals. The difference between Eli and Rosen was $15M...enough to get 3-4 of these types of FAs that could help immediately in 2019.
FA activity in 2019 - ( New Window )
I know it's not happening. It would endanger the sacred cow at QB.
In 4 drafts in Carolina, Gettleman drafted a DB in the first round zero times. And only 1 DB in the 2nd round.
I also don't think their board is going to be quite set yet.
But whatever, at the very least it's something interesting to read.
Btw I think the Brian Burns stuff is great. I tlreally think he's a player.
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Not fair at all. The best case is the team surprises and eli plays well and we make the playoffs. You discounting that as a possibility is where you lose me
Eli's presence at $23M doesn't make that any more likely than Rosen's at $2M. We could have gone into this season with Rosen as the starting QB AND 3-4 additional FAs to build up the roster.
This is my opinion not information. But the giants paying 3-4 top free agents this years would have been foolish. It will be foolish if they do it next year too.
You win in this league by drafting well and filling a gaping hole in free agency every so often.
I agree with this. We learned the hard way spending big in FA in the recent past. It’s ok to plug a hole here or there in FA, but these spending sprees lead to an inability to resign any of your own guys when they come off their rookie deals.
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If Eli had retired after 2017 I'd bet anything we'd have drafted Darnold over Barkley. That pick was as much about keeping Eli as it was getting Barkley.
Ive agreed with you on the Rosen stuff from the beginning but I disagree with this.
If a Zeke Elliot or Leonard Fournette type were available last year instead of Barkley, I think that Darnold is the pick.
Agreed, Barkley is on another level. I am honestly still kind of surprised the Browns didn’t take him. He’s that good. And that’s not saying they made s mistake with Mayfield by any means.
It isn't about Eli. Its about the entire team, the coaches, etc. I know we like to think that these guys are all machines but they aren't. No one wants to constantly talk about, or say no comment to QB controversy questions for 16 games. No one.
I agree that it shouldn't prevent us from getting Rosen if we like him, but its absolutely a factor that will come into play every single day of the offseason and regular season. You are signing the entire organization up for that and not everyone will handle it well.
If the Giants go Defense at #6, they can't be going Offense with their first two picks.
He is saying... #3 Pick 6 is going to be a Def guy... #6 If the Giants take an offensive player in the first two rounds it will be a QB or WR.
So pick #6 is a Def guy... Pick 17 or 37 is an Offense guy it will be a QB or WR. Both can be true.
This is why I want them to take Lock at 6. They will be in very good shape heading into 2020 with a new QB with an entire year in the Giants system. It would be similar to the 2005 offseason when the Giants added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie.
They will then have the ability to be major players in free agency and further strengthen the team in the draft. They will have the QB position solidified hopefully in this scenario.
Don't let it bother you so much. Just know that most of us appreciate all the information that you share.
Wasn't he a headcase with the Jets? Doesn't seem like he'd be a guy who'd fit their new "culture" profile.
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I think Eli is better then Rosen. It's not close. Rosen isn't a favorite of mine. Not sure what to tell you. He's not coming here as I've told you for months so it doesn't matter anyway
I think you are way off. Rosen would easily beat Eli in a remotely fair competition. It would be obvious in just an hour of observation. He throws with more accuracy, touch and anticipation
No he wouldn't
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Just a comment - Your #3 and #6 are complete Contradictions of each other.
If the Giants go Defense at #6, they can't be going Offense with their first two picks.
He is saying... #3 Pick 6 is going to be a Def guy... #6 If the Giants take an offensive player in the first two rounds it will be a QB or WR.
So pick #6 is a Def guy... Pick 17 or 37 is an Offense guy it will be a QB or WR. Both can be true.
OK, Dah!. I really misread that one.
First 2 ROUNDS, not first 2 picks.
Thanks for clearing that up.
If you ain't first, you're last.
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Wasn't he a headcase with the Jets? Doesn't seem like he'd be a guy who'd fit their new "culture" profile.
Yes he was a problem in the locker room. IIRC he was also criticized for not being the hardest worker. Great talent but this is the type of player the Giants have been getting rid of.
Why is no one banging down the cards door for him? Attitude, family, personality, he's just not that good, durability? What's the answer guys?
Why is no one banging down the cards door for him? Attitude, family, personality, he's just not that good, durability? What's the answer guys?
Make the playoffs? DG and Shurmur may hope for that but hope is not a strategy. Look the rebuild is fine, but to miss by that much screams they don't know what they are seeing. This is not a playoff team.
Why is no one banging down the cards door for him? Attitude, family, personality, he's just not that good, durability? What's the answer guys?
The answer is there's no need to bang down the door. Everyone knows the Cardinals are taking Murray; the closer to the draft we get, the more Rosen depreciates on the trade market.
What’s more shocking is that 2018 and 2019 draft classes had some really nice options at QB. And Eli Manning is still the quarterback, and if we don’t pick one this year we will have gone a full 2 seasons without a shred of evidence that this plan is a) working b) smart or c) Eli is somehow a better option than what we could have had.
To say Eli Manning is simply a better quarterback than Rosen right now is pretty ridiculous. You could argue Eli would have been worse with Arizonas OL last year.
I appreciate the info you give as well as others (and I dont doubt its accuracy as I highly doubt Rosen is a Giant) but youre being a condescending prick.
Now pay attention.
I understand they have no cap issues moving forward. All I am saying is that it is another avenue they couldve gone with $15M. They could bolster the roster this year OR they could convert salaries of vets they will cut in the future anyway.
Guys like Jenkins next year, and Ogletree/Solder in two years. It doesnt mean they HAVE to cut them, it just makes it easier and adds to an already excellent cap situation.
If that is true, then you bring in whoever you want because Eli will outplay them. Then the other guy sits. No controversy. Promising the job to someone means they think they could have someone better on the roster, but they will let Eli play anyway.
If they won't commit to bringing in competition and starting whoever wins that competition, then they are not seriously trying to win.
Why is no one banging down the cards door for him? Attitude, family, personality, he's just not that good, durability? What's the answer guys?
Yeah, I've always thought there was more to it than just "lliking Murray more". You don't just piss away a top 10 franchise QB because the unconventional, undersized guy shows up and fits your offense better.
If they do deal Rosen, the buyer isn't getting a can't miss prospect. I'm skeptical on him but I think he's worth the risk starting at a second rounder.
Eli wasn't the reason the Giants lost 11 games. The D gave up leads against the Colts, Cowboys, and Eagles - if the D had gotten stops the team would have been 8-8. Getting rid of Vernon and getting a top OG in return is fantastic.
I'd be more concerned if the asshats came on here to say that Eli is getting a huge extension for 2020.
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Very true. Its absolutely a factor. Everyone who wants Rosen never acknowledges one key point.
Why is no one banging down the cards door for him? Attitude, family, personality, he's just not that good, durability? What's the answer guys?
The answer is there's no need to bang down the door. Everyone knows the Cardinals are taking Murray; the closer to the draft we get, the more Rosen depreciates on the trade market.
Then you are risking him slipping away to another team for peanuts. Something has to be holding this up.
What’s more shocking is that 2018 and 2019 draft classes had some really nice options at QB. And Eli Manning is still the quarterback, and if we don’t pick one this year we will have gone a full 2 seasons without a shred of evidence that this plan is a) working b) smart or c) Eli is somehow a better option than what we could have had.
To say Eli Manning is simply a better quarterback than Rosen right now is pretty ridiculous. You could argue Eli would have been worse with Arizonas OL last year.
I have softened my stance on Rosen recently, but no way I would believe he is better than Eli at this stage. A lot of this game is cerebral and Rosen hasn’t been around long enough to have that part of the game down. It took Eli three years to really start looking like a franchise QB. No way Rosen makes us a better team this year.
Everyone says “oh he’ll play better with a better OL.” Yeah, no shit. As would every other QB. But the pocket isn’t going to be clean on every single play. Injuries happen. Shit happens. Trotting him out there again solves absolutely nothing. We know what’s eli is at this point in his career.
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he can handle the controversy as he handled the Pats. He never complained about his benching per se, just that he didn’t want to be pulled after starting the first half. He preferred to not start at all under that circumstance. If that’s a controversy, have at it..
It isn't about Eli. Its about the entire team, the coaches, etc. I know we like to think that these guys are all machines but they aren't. No one wants to constantly talk about, or say no comment to QB controversy questions for 16 games. No one.
I agree that it shouldn't prevent us from getting Rosen if we like him, but its absolutely a factor that will come into play every single day of the offseason and regular season. You are signing the entire organization up for that and not everyone will handle it well.
True, but this is NY/NJ media. The Giants have been used to fan and media abuse in like forever. I don’t believe they’re immune but, they’re pretty good at it, imo..
Everyone says “oh he’ll play better with a better OL.” Yeah, no shit. As would every other QB. But the pocket isn’t going to be clean on every single play. Injuries happen. Shit happens. Trotting him out there again solves absolutely nothing. We know what’s eli is at this point in his career.
Would you trade Barkley for Sam Darnold right now? I wouldn't.
Reading into whats been posted here thus far, this has nothing to do with Eli or his ferlings. Seems more like they would be worried about a controversy hanging over their heads from a fan standooint. With each bad game you'll see more and more fans calling for Rosen to start
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perfect prospect to fall into their lap at QB. Here’s the issue, they don’t exist. You have to take chances, and right now this front office would rather play it safe and be cool with 5-8 win seasons then actually do something to ignite a little fire into this team. Nothing is safer and more predictable than trotting out Eli again.
Everyone says “oh he’ll play better with a better OL.” Yeah, no shit. As would every other QB. But the pocket isn’t going to be clean on every single play. Injuries happen. Shit happens. Trotting him out there again solves absolutely nothing. We know what’s eli is at this point in his career.
Would you trade Barkley for Sam Darnold right now? I wouldn't.
No way, Barkley is like Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders collided and made a super back. Who knows how good any of the QB’s from last year will be.