Take this for whatever it's worth.
1) Remmers has agreed to terms with the Giants. He cannot pass a physical. Once he can he's signing a 2 yr deal with the Giants. They anticipate he'll be healthy by early May.
2) The giants are interested in Rosen but will not part with one of their top 3 picks. I was told they would offer this years 3 and a future conditional 3. The biggest fear with the Giants is acquiring Rosen is an immediate QB controversy. It would start in OTA's both in the media and locker room. Conversely, a guy like Jones or lock the fans and media will understand needs time to sit.
3) The Giants are going defense with their first pick. Williams will be the pick if he falls (same with allen or bosa) If he's gone the Giants like, in order, White, Burns, Gary.
4) The Giants love Greedy Williams and will take him at 17 if he's on the board.
5) Some free agents they're in contract with. Shane Ray, Mohammad Wilkerson and Danny Shelton. Nothing will happen before the draft.
6) If the giants go offense in the first two rounds it will be a big body WR or a QB. With remmers in the fold the giants will wait til rounds 3 and 4 to bolster their depth.
Flame away
In this scenario we're prioritizing the expensive 38 year old over the cheap 22 year old.
When it comes to Eli the front office (that very much includes ownership) has lost all grip on reality.
So, who's right? I have no idea.
However, I think some of you should stop with the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth and take a step back...take a couple of deep breaths...and just see how things play out over the next three weeks or so.
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The rest of the team and the media focus and the fans would be the issue. Things like that rip teams apart. Look at Tampa Bay last year with Ryan Fitz and Winston. Look who picks in front of us this year.
This is such horseshit when your team is in a rebuild mode. And if you are trying to win - this team needs it;s offense to click. If Eli si doing poorly then it means the team is LOSING.
If the team is LOSING in which they weren't projected to win and have a lot of young players Eli WILL SEE the handwriting on the wall and wont be a spoiled brat about it.
I would think the incompetent GM would have had a conversation with Eli last year or this year informing him that a replacement is coming soon and part of the GMen signing of Eli would have been a requirement that he MENTOR ALONG WITH an understanding what MENTOR MEANS. In part it should mean if GMen suck and the offense isn't getting it done and they lose - he gets replaced.
All these men are getting well paid to do a tough job. The fact that if they are scared of potentially some controversy if they suck in which they arent projected to win is just grossly negligent.
Envisioning the defense adding the players mentioned above would be relatively exciting. DL of Tomlinson/Hill/Shelton, LB core of Ray/White/Ogletree/Golden/Carter, and secondary of Jenkins/Williams/Beal/Bethea/Peppers. That is a significant increase in team speed, with 9 of the above 25 years old or younger. Especially if they add another edge rusher or DL at #37 like Tillery or Ferguson, though I suspect 1 of their top 3 picks will end up going to offense.
Not really a fan of signing Wilkerson at this point unless it's a really cheap incentive deal.
AND their QB play sucked.
They have 12 picks, but only 4 in first 3 rounds. Are you really expecting 8 picks from the 4th round on to contribute immediately?
Fact: Giants thought they could compete with Eli immediately last year.
Fact: They did not.
Seemingly Fact: The Giants don’t care and are going to run it back.
Fact: Collins, Vernon, and OBJ are gone.
You can’t stop stupid. The Giants are doing the same thing despite failed results last year. They don’t care. Whatever the reason, you can’t deny that the Giants are - for a second consecutive year - trying to run it back. They refuse to move on to the future.
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Because it might make things uncomfortable for Eli. Fuck sake.
Who said they like Rosen?
What an interesting take!!!
Maybe the Giants simply don't want to draft/acquire a QB for the sake of acquiring a QB.
They want the right one.
jtgiants has said repeatedly that the Giants have no interest in Rosen. Their concerns are his health/durability, and that his personality is not suited for the New York market. The price has nothing to do with it.
With regard to Rosen sitting for a year, they're not worried about any QB controversy, just that it would be waste since they firmly believe that they can still win with Eli.
as if Eli having a bad exhibition season won't cause a QB controversy with a first round QB sitting on the bench.
Which is why I hope they use a few of those Day 3 picks to move up.
They are trying to get another Eli in here. Maybe not Eli the player but Eli the man. They don't want just anyone, and maybe that's wrong from a gameday perspective, but its their right if that's the type of person they want as the face of the franchise.
I don't think a single person in the Giants FO doesn't know that they need to move on from Eli sooner rather than later. They are just trying to figure out how to do it, not shit on him while doing it (again, arguable from a fan perspective but I get it), and not fuck up on his replacement.
In sum, there's a lot more going on that many here like to admit.
You are probably correct. Most teams don't stand still.
But I'm old enough to remember the 12-round when rosters were smaller. Nothing wrong with picking 12 players. Our roster sucks.
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and the offensive line was the worst run blocking unit in the league so when there offense would put up points they couldn't protect a lead.
AND their QB play sucked.
It sucked in the first half of the season and got much better starting when Jameis came back in against us. They is more attributable to Jameis getting suspended and the bullshit that when on with that than what is being alluded to, competition at the QB position.
I'm the last guy you want evaluating QB's.
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Is lock. The problem is they won't take him at 6 and he probably won't be there at 17. They don't want to trade back up so making it work isn't easy. They want to use there picks to help them win now
This is just as pathetic as not trading for Rosen to avoid a QB controversy. If they think Lock is a franchise QB but won't take him at 6 because they are trying to squeeze one more playoff contending season out of Eli then as others have said, these guys should not be running the Giants.
my sentiments exactly...
yep...
The mass hysteria this offseason is very disturbing, and what I mean is by fans' reactions.
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perfect prospect to fall into their lap at QB. Here’s the issue, they don’t exist. You have to take chances, and right now this front office would rather play it safe and be cool with 5-8 win seasons then actually do something to ignite a little fire into this team. Nothing is safer and more predictable than trotting out Eli again.
Everyone says “oh he’ll play better with a better OL.” Yeah, no shit. As would every other QB. But the pocket isn’t going to be clean on every single play. Injuries happen. Shit happens. Trotting him out there again solves absolutely nothing. We know what’s eli is at this point in his career.
Would you trade Barkley for Sam Darnold right now? I wouldn't.
Without thinking twice. And the Jets would laugh before hanging up the phone.
That conversation from the Jets end would start with Barkley and both 2019 1st round picks and the 2020 1st round pick.
Actual picks, and not Engram because he was selected in the 1st round.
Eric: the more picks the better. But people act as if we’re going to secure 12 immediate starters. 4th founders and beyond have a low hit rate as is. That’s not suggesting we can afford to miss on them. The best thing about having more picks is that it gives us more dart throws. But even if we hit with those picks, it is highly unlikely that any of them will make an impact year 1. If we’re lucky, maybe 1 will.
This roster stinks. Almost everyone here knows it. The analytics show us we have a shit roster. Vegas thinks our roster is terrible. About the only people who think this roster is good enough to compete are select members of the front office and a few nostalgic Giants’ fans.
People think of the last two games and the Eagles game and think what if. Well, what if we didn’t play an injured DeSean Watson, a Chase Daniel, a Mark Sanchez, a Nick Mullens, and a Ryan Fitzpatrick? That’s our 5 wins right there. I don’t know how anyone can look at that and think, sure, we’re a PO team.
Everyone is free to have an opinion. But don’t criticize others when they post Tweets showing us as the laughingstock of the league.
-3 immediate starters
-2 pro bowl caliber players
-1-2 great funds in rounds 4-7
I can’t view it, nor do I think I want to.
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and the offensive line was the worst run blocking unit in the league so when there offense would put up points they couldn't protect a lead.
AND their QB play sucked.
It sucked in the first half of the season and got much better starting when Jameis came back in against us. They is more attributable to Jameis getting suspended and the bullshit that when on with that than what is being alluded to, competition at the QB position.
Yeah and then they went back to Ryan Fitz after Jameis wasn't sucking and the players wanted Fitz. Then they went back to Jameis when Fitz sucked also. It was a mess.
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I don’t think so. Both have said they are concerned about Rosen out of fear for him sitting a year and that next year Eli starts no matter what.
jtgiants has said repeatedly that the Giants have no interest in Rosen. Their concerns are his health/durability, and that his personality is not suited for the New York market. The price has nothing to do with it.
With regard to Rosen sitting for a year, they're not worried about any QB controversy, just that it would be waste since they firmly believe that they can still win with Eli.
Are you quoting jtgiants or si your commentabout controversy something oyu made up yourslef?
Here si what jtgiants said on his 1st post on thi thread --
"They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can."
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I respect jtgiants but imo he has said some stuff on this thread makes me shake my head. He doesn;t thinkEli is any less mobile now than when he 1st started. He thinks the ceiling for this upcomign team is 10 wins. ANd as for Rosen what I read lats year I liked him a lot. JTGIANTS doesn't.
he could be right on all. But as of right now I think he is wrong on Eli mobility. On a ceiling of 10 wins though that can never be proven unless they win 9 or 10. ANd I think he sells Rosen short. Not saying Rosen will be a superstar but jtgiants doesn't like him much at all.
Zero chance. They’re at best a distant 3rd team in the division.
He always had that hitch. I remember last year watching countless videos of him throwing. Maybe it's more obvious now.
Have the Giants figured out what branch of medicine Rosen's father specializes in yet? Or do they still think he's a neurologist?
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I don't think they love Rosen at all but anything is possible based on value. I've been consistent on what I post particularly regarding Rosen
Have the Giants figured out what branch of medicine Rosen's father specializes in yet? Or do they still think he's a neurologist?
I thought it was proctologist?
1. Eli was never mobile. Not sure what makes you think he's that less mobile now.
2. Rosen not nimble. At all. People like Rosen but I'm just not one of them.
3. No matter what happens this year you won't be happy. You philosophically disagree with them trying to win and there not changing course so it is what it is
A couple of things.
1. 38 year old humans get less mobile. Not sure what makes you think Eli is immune to the hands of time.
2. Rosen was a nationally ranked tennis player as a kid. He's much more agile than you seem to realize.
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All anti-Eli guys don't get. They think Eli can still play, in fairness so do I, they don't want QB controversy. Here's why? They want to win next year and think they can. Most here don't agree but the aim is to prove many wrong. Either way that's there thinking and it won't change
Anyone who believes the Giants can contend next year needs to be fired immediately. It is going to blow up in their faces totally just like last year did. The Giants were worse than their record showed last year. And they traded their best player, have zero pass rush.
This organization is a total dumpster fire. How many more years does Eli have to be at best slightly below average before people realize he's done? He's 38. There's nothing wrong with being done at that age.
Eli is far from the only problem on this team. The rest of the roster sucks as well.
6 wins is their ceiling in 2019. I'd be surprised if they got to that number. A lot would have to go right for that to happen
Sorry, but what? The 2018 Giants were much better in being competitive than any team in the past six years and the 2016 club. They had how many single digit losses and they could/should have easily had won in the 2nd PHI, DAL games, the Colts game, and the Panthers game. The defense didn't make plays when it mattered. That's with shuffling around a brand stinkin new scheme, new players and trades.
And I can't agree with the "best player on the team" bit. Barkley is definitely better right now, for starters.
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I don't think they love Rosen at all but anything is possible based on value. I've been consistent on what I post particularly regarding Rosen
Have the Giants figured out what branch of medicine Rosen's father specializes in yet? Or do they still think he's a neurologist?
I thought it was proctologist?
He’s a marine biologist.
You thought they were close last year too, and they won 5 games. Maybe you're a little too optimistic?
jtgiants : 3/27/2019 7:49 am : link : reply
1. The Giants are wary of to send personality in ny.
2. Rosen wouldn't play if he came this year presenting 2 problems.
A. You would burn the second year of his rookie contract without being an l e to evaluate him.
B. He WONT be happy without playing.
3. Giants have real concerns about his ability to stay healthy. His dad is a top neurosurgeon and isn't keen on his son playing football longterm when he's always nicked up.
4. I checked last night and was told unlikely this happens but as always things are fluid
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jtgiants : 3/27/2019 8:15 am : link : reply
All due respect those are all great reasons for not getting him. He never was healthy in college, had many teams concerned with his slight frame, and his family is a big concern to those in the know. Also it's bad business to get a qb and burn a second year of a rookie deal. I really think your off on this and he wouldn't play this year. That's the reality weather you like it or not.
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jtgiants : 3/27/2019 10:54 am : link : reply
You are either uninformed or haven't done the research. His family and and his personality and durability are all legit concerns in nfl circles. That's not my opinion its fact.
The point - besides the one on top of your head - is that the new asshat said that the Giants were interested in Rosen, but only if the price was right (the two 3rd round picks). jtgiants has said repeatedly that the Giants aren't interested in him at any price for the reasons he gave.
THis is the problem with the "I'm ok with not taking a QB this year because we are going to suck anyway, BUT next year we'll draft our QB" theory. The last slam-dunk, no-doubt-about-it, #1, franchise type QB by all accounts was Luck in 2012. They don't come around very often.
Plus, if they there is one - you've got to be in position to get him. That means you've got to be the ultimate suck the year before or have the draft capital to move up and get him.
It becomes the never ending QB hunt for Eli's successor.
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I don’t think so. Both have said they are concerned about Rosen out of fear for him sitting a year and that next year Eli starts no matter what.
jtgiants has said repeatedly that the Giants have no interest in Rosen. Their concerns are his health/durability, and that his personality is not suited for the New York market. The price has nothing to do with it.
With regard to Rosen sitting for a year, they're not worried about any QB controversy, just that it would be waste since they firmly believe that they can still win with Eli.
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If a late 3rd and a conditional 3rd is all they are offering for Rosen there would have to be someone who will offer more than that
but what do I know.
NE With multiple day two picks will likely be the team to acquire him IMO. It will be entertaining to see those who didn't want Rosen on the Giants flip and criticize the Giants for not trading for Rosen because Belichick did.
+1
I'm OK with signing Remmers, as long as the numbers are good. Then use #95 and a day three pick on the line. I like Bobby Evans.
As others have said, not trading for Rosen because it would create a controversy is just silly. But the proof that the Giants don't really like Rosen and won't therefore trade for him is that they are only will to trade #95 and a conditional three next year instead of #37. If they thought he was their next franchise QB they would trade #37 right now.
Management has probably overrated how much Eli has left based on the last few games of season. Eli's arm is still very good, but he is completely immobile, and is clearly shell shocked from all the beatings he's taken behind subpar OL. He pretty much needs a perfect environment in which to thrive. His ability to extend plays when the pocket collapses is gone.
Burns at #6 is a massive overreach. He's likely to be available at #17. I also don't want White or Gary at #6, or Williams at #17.