2. New York Giants—Draft picks in top 100: 6, 17, 37, 95. Unlikely that GM Dave Gettleman will give the 37th pick for Rosen, in part because of value and in part because the Giants really aren’t sure if all the noise about Rosen being difficult has any merit. But the Giants are an option because coach Pat Shurmur is a play-action devotee and likes his quarterback to throw with timing and rhythm. That’s Rosen’s game. Having Eli Manning for one more season would allow Rosen to learn behind a great preparer and very smart player. So how can the Giants make a deal like this, with no pick between early in the second round and very late in the third round? (I’d be very surprised if Arizona would consider Rosen for the 95th pick.) Well, the Giants could offer a second-round pick in 2020, or try to deal the 17th overall pick in some package that would include high second and third-round picks. But dealing for Rosen could allow the Giants to use three picks in the top 40 this year to do what Gettleman really wants to do: continue to build both lines while addressing the post-Eli QB life.
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This is why Rosen should be a trade target, and why Daniel Jones is a real possibility in the draft.
Is there any evidence that Rosen created even a single "distraction" during his first year in Arizona?
Problem is they want more then just our 2nd round pick
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
Neither King nor anyone on BBI with a different POV!
lulz
These "articles" are so silly.
Its all noise and speculation.
If Eli's gonna be the guy, use your picks to surround him with as much playing talent as possible. Don't waste a year of a rookie QB deal on the bench.
Shurmur was hired because he's supposed to be a QB whisperer. So coach up Lauletta as Eli's backup. If the 2019 season goes sideways then get Lauletta some starts and have him compete with a drafted rookie on the QB depth chart in 2020.
Giants interest tepid.
...After saying that the Giants "aren't sold" on Rosen.
Pick a side, King.
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
It’s very troublesome. I can’t think of 1 good reason not to do it
100% this
They don't have to tell him squat. As we can see on BBI, the Giants thinking on certain things does become public. Witness jtgiants and JonC.
I think it is safe to assume King may have sources close to the Giants since he was a beat writer years ago and there are clearly people with some knowledge of the inner workings who talk.
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are not going to tell Peter King squat
They don't have to tell him squat. As we can see on BBI, the Giants thinking on certain things does become public. Witness jtgiants and JonC.
I think it is safe to assume King may have sources close to the Giants since he was a beat writer years ago and there are clearly people with some knowledge of the inner workings who talk.
King's source is probably JTGiants posts on BBI.
Maybe right now Lock is not considered better than Rosen but there's other things that come into play. Who is the better QB if they reach their max potential? What if there's any truth at all to the talk about Rosen's drive, injury concerns, likeability in locker room, etc.
I've wanted Rosen since last April and still would love for him to come here, but if for whatever reason the Giants aren't sold on him to the point that they won't even offer a 2nd, then it is what it is. If they think he's a future franchise QB then they shouldn't be hesitating to offer a 2nd round pick...since that seems to be the case, I'm gonna guess they don't think he can be that guy. I truly hope that the reason isn't because it could create a QB controversy in 2019
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this group is not to be trusted with selecting a QB.
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
It’s very troublesome. I can’t think of 1 good reason not to do it
You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
I can think of reasons. But they’re not good ones.
In comment 14377181 kelsto811 said:
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to select Lock at 6 because you don't like Rosen like King is suggesting. There isnt a single scout out there that thinks Lock is better than Rosen. How as a Giant fan can you not think Rosen plus the 6th pick would not be better than Lock plus pick 37 (assuming this would be the trade for Rosen).
Maybe right now Lock is not considered better than Rosen but there's other things that come into play. Who is the better QB if they reach their max potential? What if there's any truth at all to the talk about Rosen's drive, injury concerns, likeability in locker room, etc.
I've wanted Rosen since last April and still would love for him to come here, but if for whatever reason the Giants aren't sold on him to the point that they won't even offer a 2nd, then it is what it is. If they think he's a future franchise QB then they shouldn't be hesitating to offer a 2nd round pick...since that seems to be the case, I'm gonna guess they don't think he can be that guy. I truly hope that the reason isn't because it could create a QB controversy in 2019
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
Curious as to why. This is the second real chance theyve had to do so. Last year they chose the best player in the entire draft over the 2nd most sought after QB. Tjere is a good chance that they take one this year. As long as it is not at 6, it is good value.
This is the unwarranted negativity I was asking about last night. Some of you are too focused on years prior to our new GM taking over.
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You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
I can think of reasons. But they’re not good ones.
So ditching a player that was drafted as the face of the franchise and the most important position in sports after a single year gives you zero pause? I mean, I know you have your role to play here, but that really does not enter your calculus as to whether or not there is no downside?
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In comment 14377131 bw in dc said:
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this group is not to be trusted with selecting a QB.
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
It’s very troublesome. I can’t think of 1 good reason not to do it
You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
Excellent point Chris! Love your past work btw!
So ditching a player that was drafted as the face of the franchise and the most important position in sports after a single year gives you zero pause? I mean, I know you have your role to play here, but that really does not enter your calculus as to whether or not there is no downside?
It's the Cardinals. I wouldn't say they have a rich history of great decision making.
Moreover, they have a new coach who obviously wants a more dynamic QB play maker. A player who can keep plays alive. And with that OL, Rosen is not that caliber of player.
Look, I liked Rosen last year, but was very concerned about his medical history. I was very impressed with the way he stood his ground last year and kept popping-up despite being a clay pigeon for most defenses.
The most critical thing here is that this is a cap winner all the way around. If Rosen hits, it's cap xanadu. If not, we cut him and the cap hit is almost negligible.
Would do #95 and a 2020 2 if needed.
For the second year in a row, the team's commitment to Eli has eliminated an opportunity to get younger and cheaper at QB.
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You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
I can think of reasons. But they’re not good ones.
Yea no good reasons just bs speculation
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In comment 14377110 Big Blue '56 said:
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are not going to tell Peter King squat
They don't have to tell him squat. As we can see on BBI, the Giants thinking on certain things does become public. Witness jtgiants and JonC.
I think it is safe to assume King may have sources close to the Giants since he was a beat writer years ago and there are clearly people with some knowledge of the inner workings who talk.
King's source is probably JTGiants posts on BBI.
Yes, the guy who has won national sportswriter of the year three times is sourcing BBI for his articles.
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this group is not to be trusted with selecting a QB.
Trading for Rosen is such a no-brainer. It's rare that you get such an interesting opportunity with such limited downside.
It’s very troublesome. I can’t think of 1 good reason not to do it
I trust them more then I trust us or BBI pundits.
What a QB does off the field and behind the scenes counts. Their personality on and off the field counts. Their leadership qualities count. How does the player interview?
You are handing the keys to your organization to this next QB. If that guy doesn't check every box you are looking for, you do not force the trade/pick.
From what I have gathered about DG and PS in the 2 years they have been here now is, Rosen might not be a fit for them personality-wise. For all those that have read the Rodgers/McCarthy article that came out last week, you can't tell me there is 0 doubt that Rosen could be a Rodgers clone from a personality standpoint.
Whether or not, we like that or not, it's another condition that must be factored in and accounted for.
For the second year in a row, the team's commitment to Eli has eliminated an opportunity to get younger and cheaper at QB.
For the second year in a row, the team's commitment to Eli has eliminated an opportunity to get younger and cheaper at QB.
I have thought that, too. Eli being out makes the equation cleaner and easier.
But I also think about - even if we have to deal with one more leg of the Eli Farewell Tour, wouldn't you rather have Rosen a year later versus not at all this year?
Agreed.
A starting QB on a rookie deal is the biggest competitive advantage you can have under the current CBA. The Giants have eschewed that advantage two years in a row now, which is frustrating...but here we are.
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In comment 14377192 Chris in Philly said:
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You can't think of one single reason not to trade valuable draft assets for a guy about whom character rumors swirl that was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago and that team already wants to ditch him and went out of its way to hire a coach who openly favors another QB? You really can't think of one reason, huh?
I can think of reasons. But they’re not good ones.
So ditching a player that was drafted as the face of the franchise and the most important position in sports after a single year gives you zero pause? I mean, I know you have your role to play here, but that really does not enter your calculus as to whether or not there is no downside?
The reason has been made clear. I don't get the confusion. Kingsbury has lusted after Kyler Murray since he was in the 8th grade. KK believes Murray is the perfect fit for his offensive system. As a result, Rosen becomes expendable. Show me a reputable article that describes Rosen as problematic or anything but professional. Put Rosen with a decent OL and a couple of quality receivers and he will thrill us. If he goes to Washington, he will haunt us.
Just dumb.
For the second year in a row, the team's commitment to Eli has eliminated an opportunity to get younger and cheaper at QB.
How manufactured a premise is that.
They don't want Rosen. Nothing to do with Eli. They wanted Barkley; again nothing to do with Eli. The world turns for many reasons.
Just dumb.
They aren't "giving up" on him...they have a new coach and found a guy who better fits their scheme....people having a hard time with this for some reason