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Predict the Biggest Bust In This Draft

Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/8/2019 3:16 pm
For me it is Brian Burns. I do not understand the attraction. What I see when I watch game film is a guy who lacks strength, does not pursue the play with any effort, has limited pass rush moves.

Who do you see as the biggest potential bust in the upcoming draft?
Kyler Murray  
NYFootballGiants : 4/8/2019 3:22 pm : link
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Pep22 : 4/8/2019 3:24 pm : link
QB: Daniel Jones
RB: Dexter Williams
TE: Noah Fant
OL: Greg Little
DL/Edge: I agree re: Burns. Also Clelin Farrell.
DL/Interior: Jerry Tillery
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2019 3:26 pm : link
think it will be Gary
Drew Lock and  
barens : 4/8/2019 3:30 pm : link
Danielle Jones.
Gary or DK Metcalf  
Chris684 : 4/8/2019 3:31 pm : link
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Metcalf  
RobCarpenter : 4/8/2019 3:34 pm : link
Someone will fall in love with his combine performance but he's had foot and neck injuries in two of his three years at Miss.
Gary  
Go Terps : 4/8/2019 3:35 pm : link
Haskins is another candidate, if he's taken high.
RE: Gary or DK Metcalf  
sjnyfan : 4/8/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14377476 Chris684 said:
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agreed
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/8/2019 3:36 pm : link
Metcalf is going to fall until the late first round.

But I agree he has bust written all over his artificially engorged muscles.
Kyler Murray to the A's  
Bill L : 4/8/2019 3:36 pm : link
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Not alone with this apparently  
Biteymax22 : 4/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
But D.K. Metcalf. Someone will ignore the fact he can't catch, run routes or stay on the field because he runs 4.33 and is build like Arnold S.

I've said it before, he's like picking a number on a roulette wheel. The odds are you're going to lose, but if you hit, you'll hit big.
Clelin Ferrell  
Capt. Don : 4/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
Edge rushers from Clemson havent been translating to the NFL. Might be a coincidence but he doesnt seem to have the burst you want off the edge.
Gary/Metcalf  
JohnG in Albany : 4/8/2019 3:39 pm : link
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Greedy Williams and Will greer  
tyrik13 : 4/8/2019 3:40 pm : link
Both will be bust. Greedy has Eli Apple written all over him, and will Greer is significantly overhyped
Grier  
tyrik13 : 4/8/2019 3:41 pm : link
Not Greer
Daniel Jones  
AdamBrag : 4/8/2019 3:43 pm : link
DK Metcalf
Jawaan Taylor
RE: Gary/Metcalf  
mrvax : 4/8/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14377496 JohnG in Albany said:
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^^^^ This.
I really think  
jvm52106 : 4/8/2019 3:44 pm : link
Murray will be a major bust. I just do not see him making it in the NFL, at least not for more than a few seasons as the beatings and defenses adjust to him.

DK Metcalf and Jerry Tillery could also flame out.
Kyler Murray  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/8/2019 3:47 pm : link
At some point he's gonna get racked up by a blitzing OLB with a clean shot at him that he didn't see coming.

And it's going to rock him about the choice he made to commit to football.

When every player you play against is suddenly as good as the BEST guys you faced in college, the size difference will come into play.
Gary  
Greg from LI : 4/8/2019 3:48 pm : link
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane
Gary  
MM_in_NYC : 4/8/2019 3:48 pm : link
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Call me crazy...  
bw in dc : 4/8/2019 3:53 pm : link
but Alabama DLs never seem to pop big in the NFL.

Not saying he'll be the "biggest bust", but I could see QWilliams not be the second coming of whichever great DL comp you use...

Count me in the Metcalf camp.
Haskins  
Vanzetti : 4/8/2019 3:53 pm : link
Lock
Metcalf
Gary
Haskins  
Chip : 4/8/2019 3:55 pm : link
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One of the QBs  
Jay in Toronto : 4/8/2019 3:55 pm : link
picked in the top 20.
Biggest busts  
Chris L. : 4/8/2019 3:56 pm : link
Jones, Gary, Metcalf
I think it could be  
David B. : 4/8/2019 3:57 pm : link
Haskins. He scares the heck out of me. Or any of the QBs actually. Murray could end up being Doug Flutie -- but which one? NFL Doug Flutie, or CFL Doug Flutie? Jones could be Alex Smith, or not. Lock could be like Stafford or like Cutler.

None of that sounds like best-case scenarios for 1st round QBs.
RE: I..  
bradshaw44 : 4/8/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14377465 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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think it will be Gary


Was going to say this as well.
RE: Haskins  
Ira : 4/8/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14377535 Vanzetti said:
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Lock
Metcalf
Gary


I think Haskins will be ok, but I like the rest of your list.
Gary, Metcalf, Greedy Williams  
Mike in NY : 4/8/2019 3:59 pm : link
That being said, if any are drafted where they should be drafted and have reasonable expectations they may not seem like a bust.
Rashan Gary  
Giantz_comeback : 4/8/2019 3:59 pm : link

Daniel Jones
Greg Little
DK Metcalf
NKeal Harry
Burns won't be a bust  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 3:59 pm : link
He's quick and fast. Explosion off the line, and he can bend well. If he goes to the right scheme he'll be a great weapon as a pass rusher.

I think Gary has the potential to be a huge bust, but I think he's someone you want to take a chance on. If I have to go on record as to who is going to be the biggest bust, I'm taking Montez Sweat.
Besdies Murray  
Bill L : 4/8/2019 4:00 pm : link
I would be leery of Sweat. I know that he's not all combine, but he's a lot combine. However, for me, it's mostly the heart thing.
Dwayne Haskins  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 4:01 pm : link
Has huge bust potential as well. He's going to have a big curve ahead of him when he realizes the teammates he has around him aren't playing at a huge athletic advantage against the defensive players on the other side.
RE: Greedy Williams and Will greer  
superspynyg : 4/8/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14377499 tyrik13 said:
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Both will be bust. Greedy has Eli Apple written all over him, and will Greer is significantly overhyped


Grier is not being looked at as a franchise guy. Most think he is a backup with starter potential.
Gary  
section125 : 4/8/2019 4:02 pm : link
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Wilkins  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/8/2019 4:03 pm : link
He will be too busy trying to play "grab ass"
Jones  
CT Charlie : 4/8/2019 4:04 pm : link
will be average.
RE: Gary  
Pep22 : 4/8/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14377519 Greg from LI said:
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Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane


I don't think he "plays like Jane" at all. He's extremely stout versus the run. Has a nice bull rush as well. Now if you want to say he lacks a decent repertoire of pass rush moves, that is valid.
Rashan Gary  
Jay on the Island : 4/8/2019 4:06 pm : link
Metcalf
White/Gary/Greedy  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/8/2019 4:07 pm : link
All the people clamoring for White crack me up. We already have an athletic playmaking lb on the roster with questionable instincts and his name is Alec Ogletree.
RE: Wilkins  
MM_in_NYC : 4/8/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14377562 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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He will be too busy trying to play "grab ass"


Made me laugh
RE: Dwayne Haskins  
Pep22 : 4/8/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14377558 allstarjim said:
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Has huge bust potential as well. He's going to have a big curve ahead of him when he realizes the teammates he has around him aren't playing at a huge athletic advantage against the defensive players on the other side.


Strange that Haskins gets this knock repeatedly on BBI but that concern is never voiced about Murray, along with future RD1 QBs like Tua, Fromm, Lawrence.
If Gary plays the run like he did at UM  
dep026 : 4/8/2019 4:12 pm : link
No way he busts. At worse hes a 6-7 sack guy who plays the run.

I am going with Montez Sweat.
RE: If Gary plays the run like he did at UM  
Giantz_comeback : 4/8/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14377593 dep026 said:
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No way he busts. At worse hes a 6-7 sack guy who plays the run.

I am going with Montez Sweat.


Dep and I think thats what he projects to, a solid player who excels vs the run but not really a great pass rusher. Not a bust but not good value top 10 in the draft.
Considering he's expected to go #1 overall  
Anakim : 4/8/2019 4:26 pm : link
I think Kyler Murray will be the biggest bust
RE: RE: If Gary plays the run like he did at UM  
dep026 : 4/8/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14377604 Giantz_comeback said:
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No way he busts. At worse hes a 6-7 sack guy who plays the run.

I am going with Montez Sweat.



Dep and I think thats what he projects to, a solid player who excels vs the run but not really a great pass rusher. Not a bust but not good value top 10 in the draft.


Believe it or not. I am not going to disagree with this. But people act like the dude cant play... haha

Now imagine if he slips to 17??? We should run to the podium.
Just throw all trhe QB's in the Bust Bucket  
Rafflee : 4/8/2019 4:26 pm : link
You're likely to be right......but that's too easy. It's impossible to see a QB. You're just going on Hope.

RE: Just throw all trhe QB's in the Bust Bucket  
Anakim : 4/8/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14377609 Rafflee said:
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You're likely to be right......but that's too easy. It's impossible to see a QB. You're just going on Hope.


Fine. In that case, Jawaan Taylor.
RE: Gary  
superspynyg : 4/8/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14377561 section125 said:
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Agree. I don't not see how a pass rusher whos main purpose is to get sacks does not produce more than 5.5 in any season does it in the NFl where the blocking and talent level are much better.

Just like I do not see how a qb who has a low comp % is going to be better in the NFL...a passing league.
RE: RE: Dwayne Haskins  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14377584 Pep22 said:
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Has huge bust potential as well. He's going to have a big curve ahead of him when he realizes the teammates he has around him aren't playing at a huge athletic advantage against the defensive players on the other side.



Strange that Haskins gets this knock repeatedly on BBI but that concern is never voiced about Murray, along with future RD1 QBs like Tua, Fromm, Lawrence.


I used to think Murray would bust but I've come around on him. I think his arm talent is there, his ability to make all the throws on the move, and his escapability is 2nd to none. If he stays injury free, I think he'll be successful.

Haskins has a lot of good traits. The reason why he gets the bust potential label from me and likely others is that he has very little tape...he simply didn't play that much, and he played on a team where it is tough to evaluate him because most of the time, his OL kept for him a clean pocket, and his receivers were far better than their opponents.

If all you're teammates are superior to their opponents, they can make you look better than you are.

Lastly, he's not athletic and I question his escapability and movement in the pocket when he gets pressure. I'm not saying he can't move in the pocket...I'm saying he didn't play enough college games against top opponents to be able say, "yes, this guy has shown repeatedly he has these skills."

He could be the next Peyton Manning. If he played another year at Ohio State and continued to dominate, then perhaps a lot more people would feel more confident in his ability to be a star at the NFL level.
I think Jones will be picked too low to be considered a bust  
widmerseyebrow : 4/8/2019 4:29 pm : link
Could be totally wrong, but I would not be surprised if he's picked in rounds 2-4 and declared a "first round value" because of all the talk before the draft.

Gary and Metcalf are good candidates.
RE: Rashan Gary  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14377549 Giantz_comeback said:
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Daniel Jones
Greg Little
DK Metcalf
NKeal Harry



N'Keal Harry is going to be a #1 receiver in the NFL. And I think he's going to go in the 20-30 range of the first round.
Jonah or Gary  
ATL_Giants : 4/8/2019 4:32 pm : link
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Haskins  
pa_giant_fan : 4/8/2019 4:33 pm : link
Greedy Williams
DK Metcalf
Question  
Nine-Tails : 4/8/2019 4:44 pm : link
If Nick Bosa has a career like chris long
haskins  
Mr. Nickels : 4/8/2019 5:12 pm : link
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RE: Question  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/8/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14377644 Nine-Tails said:
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If Nick Bosa has a career like chris long


That's a good one.
Whatever QB  
Steve in ATL : 4/8/2019 5:19 pm : link
the Giants pick.
all of the QB's  
GeneInCal : 4/8/2019 5:23 pm : link
they all suck.
Gary  
Thegratefulhead : 4/8/2019 5:26 pm : link
Combine measurables are going to put him in the top 10. I think NFL offensive lineman are going to completely nullify his game.
RE: RE: Gary/Metcalf  
FrankieR : 4/8/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14377509 mrvax said:
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I think so too! So many impact players and these guys are shrouded in measurables.
My 2 cents and best guess  
mavric : 4/8/2019 6:06 pm : link
Dwayne Haskins
Drew Lock
D.K. Metcalf
Think  
TMS : 4/8/2019 6:15 pm : link
Rosen will be that guy. But he already busted last year did he not.? Just pulling your chain Fan Club. Lighten up.
Think  
TMS : 4/8/2019 6:18 pm : link
Rosen will be that guy. But he already busted last year did he not ? Just pulling your chain Fan Club. Lighten up.
I'm going to be unpopular but...  
KSIXI : 4/8/2019 6:32 pm : link
Devin White.

The question is "biggest bust." I think while White's ceiling is absurdly high, his floor is significantly low. He has awful tackling technique and his instincts are suspect.

His athleticism will ensure that he'll always be on a 53 man roster and likely will be a decent starter but it would be a huge disappointment if he's not a Pro Bowler given the hype and possibility of being picked in the top 10.
Haskins  
montanagiant : 4/8/2019 6:35 pm : link
Gary
Sweat (I know a physical freak but if he goes high and that heart problem becomes a bigger issue that's a bust)
RE: I'm going to be unpopular but...  
montanagiant : 4/8/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14377755 KSIXI said:
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Devin White.

The question is "biggest bust." I think while White's ceiling is absurdly high, his floor is significantly low. He has awful tackling technique and his instincts are suspect.

His athleticism will ensure that he'll always be on a 53 man roster and likely will be a decent starter but it would be a huge disappointment if he's not a Pro Bowler given the hype and possibility of being picked in the top 10.

I actually almost picked him also. I've seen some film on him that was not real glowing
RE: RE: Dwayne Haskins  
bw in dc : 4/8/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14377584 Pep22 said:
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Has huge bust potential as well. He's going to have a big curve ahead of him when he realizes the teammates he has around him aren't playing at a huge athletic advantage against the defensive players on the other side.



Strange that Haskins gets this knock repeatedly on BBI but that concern is never voiced about Murray, along with future RD1 QBs like Tua, Fromm, Lawrence.


Not sure when you read BBI, but Murray's size has been robustly debated. And Tua's injury history has been discussed. But they have a dimension that Haskins doesn't - the ability to improvise.

Fromm was debated again today. He was compared to Daniel Jones.

Lawrence would have been a top twenty pick out of high school. He would be the clear #1 pick this year. And next year. When he is eligible in 2021, he will be the #1 pick without debate.

He may be the greatest QB prospect since Elway.
RE: Besdies Murray  
OldGiantsFan : 4/8/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14377553 Bill L said:
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I would be leery of Sweat. I know that he's not all combine, but he's a lot combine. However, for me, it's mostly the heart thing.

Bill, I was thinking of Sweat also. Heard he did very well during drills in the week leading up to the Senior Bowl. Do you (or anyone else reading this) know how he did in the actual game? I tried to find stats/box scores for the game, but couldn't. I do know that for the two or three plays I saw, he got ridden out around the pocket pretty handily.
My concern is that some athletes practice better than they play, and some play a lot better in the actual game.
Now, if somebody says they watched the whole game and Sweat spent the day in the backfield with QB hits and pressures, then I will excuse myself from the conversation.
RE: RE: Gary  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/8/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14377613 superspynyg said:
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Agree. I don't not see how a pass rusher whos main purpose is to get sacks does not produce more than 5.5 in any season does it in the NFl where the blocking and talent level are much better.

Just like I do not see how a qb who has a low comp % is going to be better in the NFL...a passing league.


Two things: Gary is going to develop into a solid pass rusher. He is just too athletic. In terms of his production in college, he spent his senior year playing injured, and the scheme demanded other things of him.

Second and you can mark this down: Buffalo Josh Allen is going to be a terrific QB. He will excel, and so will Buffalo as a result.
How late can  
emcca005 : 4/8/2019 8:51 pm : link
busts happen? If you take a running back in the 3rd round and he never develops into more than a 3rd down back is that a bust? Is Davis Webb a bust? I always think of it as first round guys that don't pan out. To me that screams at least 2 of the QBs and DK Metcalf.
Haskins = Jamarcus Russell  
PatersonPlank : 4/8/2019 8:54 pm : link
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Changed mind  
Thegratefulhead : 4/8/2019 9:01 pm : link
From Gary to Murray. Murray will likely go to the worst situation in football. Lots of pressure.
RE: RE: Dwayne Haskins  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14377584 Pep22 said:
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Has huge bust potential as well. He's going to have a big curve ahead of him when he realizes the teammates he has around him aren't playing at a huge athletic advantage against the defensive players on the other side.



Strange that Haskins gets this knock repeatedly on BBI but that concern is never voiced about Murray, along with future RD1 QBs like Tua, Fromm, Lawrence.


What are you implying? First of all, Tua, Fromm, and Lawrence aren't even in this draft. There is plenty of time to analyze them as prospects, including another entire college football season.

There is a diversity of opinion on Haskins, you seem to have a problem with that. I think the concerns are valid, are you intimating something that will make you look like a complete fool? Because if you are, then you should stop right there.
ereck  
madgiantscow009 : 4/8/2019 9:12 pm : link
flowers.
RE: I'm going to be unpopular but...  
j_rud : 4/8/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14377755 KSIXI said:
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Devin White.



Shouldn't be unpopular. Id argue that it's more likely than reaching the draft hype. The top 10 of every draft is littered with more underachievers than it is guys who deliver on their promise. Out of White, Williams, Bosa, and Allen odds are at least 2 of them are going to disappoint.
RE: RE: I'm going to be unpopular but...  
allstarjim : 4/8/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14378012 j_rud said:
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Devin White.





Shouldn't be unpopular. Id argue that it's more likely than reaching the draft hype. The top 10 of every draft is littered with more underachievers than it is guys who deliver on their promise. Out of White, Williams, Bosa, and Allen odds are at least 2 of them are going to disappoint.


I almost said White also, but I believe his quickness and speed are so good he is at least going to be somewhat of an effective linebacker, not really a bust. A bust to me is someone who washes out of the league before the conclusion of that first contract.
Haskins  
O Butter Giants 2019 : 4/8/2019 9:17 pm : link
has Jamarcus Russell type bust written all over him
Daniel Jones  
crooza172 : 4/8/2019 9:33 pm : link
After we draft him at 17.
DK Metcalf  
Torrag : 4/8/2019 11:06 pm : link
He'll be hurt and frankly isn't that good to begin with.
RE: Whatever QB  
giantsFC : 4/9/2019 2:26 am : link
In comment 14377682 Steve in ATL said:
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the Giants pick.


😂👍
Gary and Metcalf  
1st and 10 : 4/9/2019 2:45 am : link
scream busts to me.
Kyler Murray! That guy is the next BobIII or Gino Smith!  
SterlingArcher : 4/9/2019 10:27 am : link
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Haskins  
DeepBlueJint : 4/10/2019 8:45 am : link
Watched video highlights. I noticed one thing in particular that concerns me. When he is pressured moving in the pocket and especially when he is attempting to move out of the pocket, he seems to have the tendency to throw behind his receivers. Makes it awkward and dangerous for the receiver to to say the least. Go watch the films on him. See if what I say is correct. Can that be fixed by the coaches in the NFL? I wonder.
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