Ralph V does claim several NFL and team sources in citing this. That is significant to me. Multiple sources and from in and out of Giants.
The gist:
According to the article the Giants are interested in Rosen but at the right price. They will not move a 1st. They may part with a 2nd. That 2nd could be an additional 2nd IF they trade down in rd 1 or it could be their own IF the Cards add something. Or it could be a future 2nd.
Ralphs summary:
The bottom line is this: The Giants will be interested, but only if the price is right. And it seems unlikely they'd be willing to out-bid the Redskins if they're really interested. If they're not, maybe the Giants could package their third-round pick with a future second-rounder or something like that to get a deal done.
But that will depend on the Cardinals, who still have to put Rosen on the trading block first.
Ralph V also insinuates Giants could trade up in round 1 as well.
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Experts and fans predicting the draft are extrapolating a lot based on 1 off hand comment from Kingsbury about Kyler Murray before he took Cards HC job. For all we know Cards are going to take Bosa, but want to see if Raiders will offer #4 + 1 more 1st rounder to take Murray.
I am neutral on Rosen as QB in NFL, but don't want Giants to overpay to get a guy that might be let go after the draft. Risking #37 seems like more acceptable risk compared to the quality of players we have to forego at #6 or #17 to get Haskins, Lock or Jones.
If the heir apparent is going to sit behind Eli anyway then what is the rush? Giants can still pick the "franchise QB" next year if the team has not turned around in 2019.
Sometimes, the first post of a thread says it all, though they could part with a 2
Wouldnt be BBI without a post demeaning the source 👏
Is Haskins or Lock worth the 6th pick? Im guessing in DGs eyes NO.
Are they worth 17th pick and if so will they be there? My guess is they are worth it but may not be there so a small trade up may be necessary and that might cost too much to DG.
Is Rosen worth a trade of pick 37 and maybe another mid round pick in 2019 or a 3rd round pick next year? Again Maybe.
Who presents the best value. I think Rosen does.
This will probably get done on DRaft Day---when a Team can make THE OFFER and tell AZ to Fish or cut bait---no offer shopping.
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
.... or maybe they just had Barkley graded higher.
Fuck, is it that hard to grasp that Barkley was rated higher and it says nothing about how they felt about Rosen, Darnold or anybody else in any position?
Barkley was rated higher... because they didn't have the other QBs rated as franchise QBs.
If you have read Gettleman's comments about Franchise QBs over the last two years, you would get that.
probably the same thing wrong with hall of famers Brett Favre, Steve Young and Drew Brees
Is Haskins or Lock worth the 6th pick? Im guessing in DGs eyes NO.
Are they worth 17th pick and if so will they be there? My guess is they are worth it but may not be there so a small trade up may be necessary and that might cost too much to DG.
Good analysis, makes a lot of sense. It certainly seems that there is at least some interest in Rosen by the Giants
Is Rosen worth a trade of pick 37 and maybe another mid round pick in 2019 or a 3rd round pick next year? Again Maybe.
Who presents the best value. I think Rosen does.
DG can simply pick up the phone and tell AZ he's interested if the price is right. The only way for the public to know we're in the mix is through leaks. Leaking could serve to make others (such as Redskins) step up to the plate causing them to expend resources and potentially affecting their draft, leaving someone extra for us to choose from.
Sounds like Giants might take a flier at a palatable pick. Our 2nd rounder is too high for me to be considered a flier pick.
I agree.
Out of curiosity, would you say the 17th pick straight up is a better or worse offer than the rumored redskins package?
DG can simply pick up the phone and tell AZ he's interested if the price is right. The only way for the public to know we're in the mix is through leaks. Leaking could serve to make others (such as Redskins) step up to the plate causing them to expend resources and potentially affecting their draft, leaving someone extra for us to choose from.
Sounds like Giants might take a flier at a palatable pick. Our 2nd rounder is too high for me to be considered a flier pick.
Do you have any idea whether or not the Giants had Mayfield rated highly or even above Barkley?
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even somewhat accurate, I really doubt DG will beat it for Rosen.
I agree.
Out of curiosity, would you say the 17th pick straight up is a better or worse offer than the rumored redskins package?
In general, there's often not a huge difference in talent level at #17 versus #37. Teams will often suggest the value of the latter is higher due to the salary cap savings, etc.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
That doesn't necessarily compute. The Giants may or may not have had a franchise QB worthy grade on Rosen but simply had a grade on Barkley that was so high that they could not pass him up. Literally everything that Gettleman had to say about Barkley both before and after the draft is consistent with that. Yet so many posters continue to infer some sort of reflection on the QB prospects as a result of the Barkley selection.
Even going a step further, Gettleman has seemed to suggest that he doesn't grade QBs on a curve - his statements about eschewing relative positional value confirm that. Did the Giants have a higher grade on Barkley then Rosen? Yes, obviously. Does that in any way tell us that they did not have a franchise QB grade on Rosen (or any other QB last year)? Absolutely not, IMO.
It's not just jtgiants, JonC has confirmed what jtgiants has heard regarding Rosen. They are two guys with different inside sources saying the same thing.
And if said smoke has the Redskins sticking with their reported offer for Rosen then that's a potential win for the Giants. Seems like a lot to give up but then again its the Redskins.
And if said smoke has the Redskins sticking with their reported offer for Rosen then that's a potential win for the Giants. Seems like a lot to give up but then again its the Redskins.
Unless something very dramatic happens in the next three weeks, the Cards are drafting Murray with their #1 pick. They are not going to trade Rosen prior to the draft, because that would leave them exposed should something happen re. Murray. Rosen will most likely be traded on the night.
If the Giants are this bad at keeping information close to the best, they might as well show the other teams their draft board. But hey, thats the Giants for you. Leaks galore.
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His play this year answered some questions that were huge last year, namely, his desire, mental toughness, and durability. Saying "we didn't see him as the answer last year so why should he be the answer this year" is silly. Also, he's a lot cheaper this year.
Great, he didn't get hurt and didn't quit. He still sucked ass, which is fairly normal for a starting QB. But he didn't get better over the season, either.
It absolutely is fair to think he just isn't ever going to be a top tier starting QB in the NFL.
We're celebrating Rosen for playing terrible but staying on the field. That, to me, is what is silly.
Rosen played on the worst team in football, behind an offensive line so bad that David Johnson couldn't run at all. The fact he beat out Bradford, and then did ok behind that crap, is very encouraging. You have to consider the surrounding talent here for a rookie QB. If I remember his stats were not that much different than Darnolds. I definitely think Rosen will be a top tier QB
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
No thanks. I don't want a queer deviant sexual predator as the face of the Giants Defense.
If they pick him, will you go away? Because that may affect who I hope the Giants select.
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
No thanks. I don't want a queer deviant sexual predator as the face of the Giants Defense.
If they pick him, will you go away? Because that may affect who I hope the Giants select.
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
No thanks. I don't want a queer deviant sexual predator as the face of the Giants Defense.
If they pick him, will you go away? Because that may affect who I hope the Giants select.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
Nothing in the choice to draft the best player in the draft, Saquan Barkley, says that they didn't view Rosen as a franchise QB
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
No thanks. I don't want a queer deviant sexual predator as the face of the Giants Defense.
But a straight deviant sexual predator, that's ok!
Probably a take that should have been checked over by a supervisor before you hit 'submit'.
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
Nothing in the choice to draft the best player in the draft, Saquan Barkley, says that they didn't view Rosen as a franchise QB
Then you obviously haven't followed what Gettleman has said about franchise QBs over the last two years.
- Puritanical Society of Hypocrites
Whoa... WTF... that is actually assualt... I believe someone in wrestling did this and was brought up on charges.
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
No thanks. I don't want a queer deviant sexual predator as the face of the Giants Defense.
But a straight deviant sexual predator, that's ok!
Probably a take that should have been checked over by a supervisor before you hit 'submit'.
No one should tell him what normally happens in piles..butt poking, ball pinching..all kinds of things that threatens his frail sexuality.
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
Nothing in the choice to draft the best player in the draft, Saquan Barkley, says that they didn't view Rosen as a franchise QB
Then you obviously haven't followed what Gettleman has said about franchise QBs over the last two years.
If you follow everything Gettleman says, you'll notice that he eventually takes every possible side of an argument.
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up and never let him play again!!
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Whoa... WTF... that is actually assualt... I believe someone in wrestling did this and was brought up on charges.
Literally every single thing that happens on a football field is actually assault, and the vast majority of it is battery.
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up and never let him play again!!
- Puritanical Society of Hypocrites
Whoa... WTF... that is actually assualt... I believe someone in wrestling did this and was brought up on charges.
Finger banged the opponent?
This will probably get done on DRaft Day---when a Team can make THE OFFER and tell AZ to Fish or cut bait---no offer shopping.
Arizona is playing poker with a 2-7 offsuit in their hand.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
LOL....Perfectly sums it up...
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
.... or maybe they just had Barkley graded higher.
Fuck, is it that hard to grasp that Barkley was rated higher and it says nothing about how they felt about Rosen, Darnold or anybody else in any position?
You're not taking a RB over a QB you think can be a franchise one..No matter how good that RB is
This is the situation we find us in and what gets overlooked