Ralph V does claim “several NFL and team sources” in citing this. That is significant to me. Multiple sources and from in and out of Giants.
The gist:
According to the article the Giants are interested in Rosen but at the right price. They will not move a 1st. They may part with a 2nd. That 2nd could be an additional 2nd IF they trade down in rd 1 or it could be their own IF the Cards add something. Or it could be a future 2nd.
Ralph’s summary:
“The bottom line is this: The Giants will be interested, but only if the price is right. And it seems unlikely they'd be willing to out-bid the Redskins if they're really interested. If they're not, maybe the Giants could package their third-round pick with a future second-rounder or something like that to get a deal done.
But that will depend on the Cardinals, who still have to put Rosen on the trading block first.”
Ralph V also insinuates Giants could trade up in round 1 as well.
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We have 12 picks, no future QB worth speaking of on the roster and 2 first round picks to add to the defense. It just makes way too much sense to not happen if we have the best offer.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
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We have 12 picks, no future QB worth speaking of on the roster and 2 first round picks to add to the defense. It just makes way too much sense to not happen if we have the best offer.
It tells me they aren’t that excited about him as a prospect which backs up what jtgiants and other “asshats” have said repeatedly on here. They must be concerned about one or more of the following: his concussion history (especially given the fact that he really doesn’t need football to survive and his Dad is a neurosurgeon), the political comments which frankly I have seen none since his college days, or this stuff about him not being a leader, etc.
At the end of the day I’ll trust DG and company to make the right call on Rosen. I like the low risk high reward aspect of it, or at least I did, until I saw the supposed offer from the Redskins which I think is too much to give up.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
.... or maybe they just had Barkley graded higher.
That's a big "if". Maybe they never put a 1st round grade on him. Maybe they still don't. Should they then part with a 1st round pick? Nope.
Disagree, it sounds like they will only trade for him if it’s a great deal. Which means they likely won’t beat many offers.
Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
Where doe it say that DG does not think Rosen is a potential Franchise QB? Because he picked Saquon? That means that neither Darnold nor Rosen is a franchise QB? Your comment does not make sense.
The Giants are interested, but for a price that is likely far less than what some other team, probably the Redskins, will pay.
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
.... or maybe they just had Barkley graded higher.
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If Rosen is considered a 1st round talent by NYG
That's a big "if". Maybe they never put a 1st round grade on him. Maybe they still don't. Should they then part with a 1st round pick? Nope.
There is no confirmation on what the Giants thought of Rosen last year other than they Liked Barkley better than him and every other QB.
That said, IF they thought he was at the very least a 1st round grade, to get him for a 2nd round pick without having to pay his signing bonus alone has got to be reason to believe they would have serious interest. Again, having 2 1st round picks this year to invest in our horrible defense with the possibility of adding a quality young QB seems like the optimal situation.
Good. Go defense @ 6.
Does your source include the compensation for Rosen?
An approx trade value to jump from 17 to 9 is the Giants 2nd round pick to move up. Look at this way its Josh Rosen (a trade with 37) & the 17 pick vs Drew Lock (the 17 pick + 37 pick to move up)
You mean what is wrong with their GM who hired and fired his own choice as head coach after only one year.
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't rule out Christian Wilkins at 6, he's a massive DL who can play at the 1, 3 or 5 and he'd run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Bradbury would be a home run at 17 for me personally, but IDK what DG is thinking.
I like Wilkins, and I'd be fine with that pick. I just really like Hockenson. The thought of him and Ellison in 12 personnel with Engram moved around...
I also think the opportunity might be there to cluster draft to the OL. I love the idea of using one draft to turn a weakness into a strength, like the Colts did last year with their OL.
There is a ton of smoke out there from major outlets so its hard to imagine there is no truth
If the Giants wanted to be in the mix for when Rosen IS made available then they need to be considered in the mix by leaks
The Giants could easily destroy this smoke by making clear their lack of interest to a major reporter like they have done in the past with Paul Schwartz
The very fact that that they havent done so shows their interest
There is a ton of smoke out there from major outlets so its hard to imagine there is no truth
If the Giants wanted to be in the mix for when Rosen IS made available then they need to be considered in the mix by leaks
The Giants could easily destroy this smoke by making clear their lack of interest to a major reporter like they have done in the past with Paul Schwartz
The very fact that that they havent done so shows their interest
twostepgiants celebrating if the Giants trade for Rosen, two off seasons in the making...
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Numerous "major" reporters like Schefter, Vacchiano, King have all said repeatedly that Arizona has "not yet made Rosen available" so the Giants can not yet make their plans clear or they are bidding against themselves
There is a ton of smoke out there from major outlets so its hard to imagine there is no truth
If the Giants wanted to be in the mix for when Rosen IS made available then they need to be considered in the mix by leaks
The Giants could easily destroy this smoke by making clear their lack of interest to a major reporter like they have done in the past with Paul Schwartz
The very fact that that they havent done so shows their interest
twostepgiants celebrating if the Giants trade for Rosen, two off seasons in the making...
I love this post
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Numerous "major" reporters like Schefter, Vacchiano, King have all said repeatedly that Arizona has "not yet made Rosen available" so the Giants can not yet make their plans clear or they are bidding against themselves
There is a ton of smoke out there from major outlets so its hard to imagine there is no truth
If the Giants wanted to be in the mix for when Rosen IS made available then they need to be considered in the mix by leaks
The Giants could easily destroy this smoke by making clear their lack of interest to a major reporter like they have done in the past with Paul Schwartz
The very fact that that they havent done so shows their interest
twostepgiants celebrating if the Giants trade for Rosen, two off seasons in the making...
I love this post
Lol, I’ll be dancing right next to you if we get him for the right price.
Ralph V always picks the Giants first round target before everyone else does each year so he has to know some things
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Giants didn't view Rosen as a Franchise QB or they would have drafted him at 2 last year.
Gettleman has talked about QB hell and he will not acquire a QB who he doesn't view as a Franchise QB
The End
.... or maybe they just had Barkley graded higher.
Fuck, is it that hard to grasp that Barkley was rated higher and it says nothing about how they felt about Rosen, Darnold or anybody else in any position?
I would like to see the Giants with the 1st pick in Round 4. Who has it?
Great, he didn't get hurt and didn't quit. He still sucked ass, which is fairly normal for a starting QB. But he didn't get better over the season, either.
It absolutely is fair to think he just isn't ever going to be a top tier starting QB in the NFL.
We're celebrating Rosen for playing terrible but staying on the field. That, to me, is what is silly.
Don't be upset then when the defense can't even stop a nosebleed
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't be upset then when the defense can't even stop a nosebleed
If you think a rookie or two is going to transform this defense in 2019, you're bound to be disappointed. They probably benefit more by having the offensive line (finally) become a strength. Complementary football.
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His play this year answered some questions that were huge last year, namely, his desire, mental toughness, and durability. Saying "we didn't see him as the answer last year so why should he be the answer this year" is silly. Also, he's a lot cheaper this year.
Great, he didn't get hurt and didn't quit. He still sucked ass, which is fairly normal for a starting QB. But he didn't get better over the season, either.
It absolutely is fair to think he just isn't ever going to be a top tier starting QB in the NFL.
We're celebrating Rosen for playing terrible but staying on the field. That, to me, is what is silly.
Eli’s rookie year wasn’t great. He turned it around and became a champion. Rosen showed he can play in the NFL. His team around him wasn’t good hence having the top pick in the draft
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He's the one blue chip that figures to still be on the board at 6. I'd draft him at 6, Garrett Bradbury at 17, and the Alabama State tackle at 37. Offensive line rebuild complete.
Don't be upset then when the defense can't even stop a nosebleed
If you think a rookie or two is going to transform this defense in 2019, you're bound to be disappointed. They probably benefit more by having the offensive line (finally) become a strength. Complementary football.
On the other hand it's no guarantee that those guys will be immediate contributors as well, not many olineman and tight ends come in year one and are great, it usually takes some time. And by using all those resources on offense, the defense will be void of talent and will be a huge need next year. The smart move would be to invest in both.
It tells me they aren’t that excited about him as a prospect which backs up what jtgiants and other “asshats” have said repeatedly on here. They must be concerned about one or more of the following: his concussion history (especially given the fact that he really doesn’t need football to survive and his Dad is a neurosurgeon), the political comments which frankly I have seen none since his college days, or this stuff about him not being a leader, etc.
I thought that their reluctance may have stemmed from one or some of those things too...but from everything I've seen where people were willing to put their name on it, he is not a bad teammate, poor leader, or a guy who seems to have dedication issues. I've never seen a political comment made by him either. I saw this today also:
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The #AZCardinals offseason conditioning program begins today, and not only is QB Josh Rosen in the building… he was the first guy in the building for new coach Kliff Kingsbury.
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He was the first in the building as a rookie to! Great Guy and player!
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2) QB is in play at #17, but it needs to be in-line with BPA.
3) Rosen for the #37 and something else is a viable probability. In which case they definitely don't go QB at #17.
From what I can tell the rest is all opinion, including which QB they would take at #17. All this leads to is they like Jones or Lock better than Haskins.