Why Eli is Still the Quarterback

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Think he can still play regardless of what posters and “analysts” proclaim.

In comment 14380785 dep026 said:

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Think he can still play regardless of what posters and “analysts” proclaim.

Not according to what a known insider just told us.

I consider the 2011 NFC Championship Game to be one of the best QB performances of this generation but he is a shell of that QB. Yes, he can make all the throws...if everything around him is perfect but it wont be.

Lets say everything falls our way this season and we go 9-7, get a wild card and maybe even win one playoff game. To what end? We are in the same spot next year.

He is slowly playing himself out of the HoF and our ownership (which I blame for the Geno Smith debacle) is putting the rest of the team in limbo (to be nice) because they are sentimental.

Just incredible incompetence. Francessa and the mouth-breathers are comfortable and feeling really good about how relevant the team was ten years ago, though.

In comment 14380789 Go Terps said:

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In comment 14380785 dep026 said: Quote: Think he can still play regardless of what posters and “analysts” proclaim. Not according to what a known insider just told us.

You are conveniently leaving out that JT hsa said NUMEROUS times that PS and DG believe Eli still can get it done at a high level.

Agree or disagree - they believe in Eli and there are no better options for the future that are available at this time.

You guys are missing the point. Cutting eli after the year and going in a different direction is business. That's a football decision. After paying the bonus and committing to have him as the qb this year has consequences and you don't treat iconic players that way. It sends a bad message to other players and isn't good business. It won't and shouldn't happen.

Good times ahead.

In comment 14380801 jtgiants said:

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You guys are missing the point. Cutting eli after the year and going in a different direction is business. That's a football decision. After paying the bonus and committing to have him as the qb this year has consequences and you don't treat iconic players that way. It sends a bad message to other players and isn't good business. It won't and shouldn't happen.

I understood this when it was first written.

Russell Wilson is the one of three QBs I'd want for the next 5 years on this roster with Mahomes and Rodgers being the other two. Giving up a couple first's and paying him the money seems like a lot, but he is one of the few QB's in the league that makes every one around him better. He stays healthy even though he is mobile. In the grand scheme of things I'm very anti give your QB big money, but exceptions are made for QB's that can make the offense go on their own. We have Saquon on a rookie deal and what better way to take advantage of him for the next 4 years than to bring in Russell.

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Eli can still play at a high level. Period. End of story.

He is the same player that he always has been, if you don't like Eli today than you never have. He's not a mobile QB. I get it, its exciting to watch these guys that can make things happen with their feet.

In comment 14380793 dep026 said:

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In comment 14380789 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 14380785 dep026 said: Quote: Think he can still play regardless of what posters and “analysts” proclaim. Not according to what a known insider just told us. You are conveniently leaving out that JT hsa said NUMEROUS times that PS and DG believe Eli still can get it done at a high level. Agree or disagree - they believe in Eli and there are no better options for the future that are available at this time.

While it does not bother me a ton that Eli is going to be the quarterback next year, the second part of the statement really makes no sense to me. Are we talking about future? Because if that is the case, hard to dispute Josh Rosen making more sense than Eli.

One key observation, the biggest moves this FO has made is by trades.

Remember "No Guts, No Glory".

Russel Wilson would be wild to see in Blue.

Of football intelligencefrom some people on this thread infuriates me. It's more than that though. You know where I stand on eli but some of the anti Eli people say things that either proves they don't know football or proves they have no concept of the leagues inner workings. Either way let's just have an honest debate. People like goterps is as sharp as they come. We don't agree but at least respect each other. Some of the antieli comments from others show no respect at all

In comment 14380803 dep026 said:

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In comment 14380801 jtgiants said: Quote: You guys are missing the point. Cutting eli after the year and going in a different direction is business. That's a football decision. After paying the bonus and committing to have him as the qb this year has consequences and you don't treat iconic players that way. It sends a bad message to other players and isn't good business. It won't and shouldn't happen. I understood this when it was first written.

How dare he post something that not only makes sense but doesn’t fit others agendas

In comment 14380814 GiantGrit said:

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While it does not bother me a ton that Eli is going to be the quarterback next year, the second part of the statement really makes no sense to me. Are we talking about future? Because if that is the case, hard to dispute Josh Rosen making more sense than Eli.

I am sure they have done their research on Rosen. They just may not like him. And they can be 100% wrong or right..... but I am sure they havent blown everything off.

In comment 14380813 rasbutant said:

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Eli can still play at a high level. Period. End of story.

Which tape? And which year?

In comment 14380813 rasbutant said:

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He is the same player that he always has been

Go watch his highlights from 2011. Can he still play? Yeah. He is not the same player that is actually a discredit to how good he was.

Well said. Thank you. I think you guys know who I am and aren't referring too.

In comment 14380815 DavidinBMNY said:

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One key observation, the biggest moves this FO has made is by trades. Remember "No Guts, No Glory". Russel Wilson would be wild to see in Blue.

Would but at the same time that salary would hurt my checkbook lol

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In comment 14380813 rasbutant said:

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Eli can still play at a high level. Period. End of story. He is the same player that he always has been, if you don't like Eli today than you never have. He's not a mobile QB. I get it, its exciting to watch these guys that can make things happen with their feet.

This is just wrong. Yes, he can make all the throws still, but he needs to put a lot more into his deep ball than he has in the past and his mobility/escapability is a shell of what it used to be. These QB's that seem ageless have two common qualities - quick decision makers and accurate in the short game. While Eli is a quick decision maker his game has suffered comparative to his peers because he isn't very accurate in the short game. With the way the rules are now it is very important to have your QB create YAC for your receivers because it is practically illegal to cover them.

The Giants openly admit it was a mistake and it will not happen w eli

In comment 14380813 rasbutant said:

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Eli can still play at a high level. Period. End of story. He is the same player that he always has been, if you don't like Eli today than you never have. He's not a mobile QB. I get it, its exciting to watch these guys that can make things happen with their feet.

Are you serious, you think Eli is the same player? I urge you to watch his 2011 season again. He can still play but he is not the same.

In comment 14380801 jtgiants said:

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You guys are missing the point. Cutting eli after the year and going in a different direction is business. That's a football decision. After paying the bonus and committing to have him as the qb this year has consequences and you don't treat iconic players that way. It sends a bad message to other players and isn't good business. It won't and shouldn't happen.

I wonder how other players feel about seeing everyone else on the team who was being paid for past performances, or potential never reached be cut or traded while Eli is still around?

if Eli is the same as 2011, they should 1000% extend him and why wouldn't they? Why would he be on the last year of his contract?

In comment 14380838 jtgiants said:

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The Giants openly admit it was a mistake and it will not happen w eli

That seems to be the major driving force behind this entire issue, coincidentally.

In comment 14380843 Default said:

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In comment 14380801 jtgiants said: Quote: You guys are missing the point. Cutting eli after the year and going in a different direction is business. That's a football decision. After paying the bonus and committing to have him as the qb this year has consequences and you don't treat iconic players that way. It sends a bad message to other players and isn't good business. It won't and shouldn't happen. I wonder how other players feel about seeing everyone else on the team who was being paid for past performances, or potential never reached be cut or traded while Eli is still around?

Justin Tuck comes to mind

Your comparing the other guys to a 2 time superbowl MVP hall of fame qb who can still play? Seriously?

In comment 14380823 dep026 said:

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In comment 14380814 GiantGrit said: Quote: While it does not bother me a ton that Eli is going to be the quarterback next year, the second part of the statement really makes no sense to me. Are we talking about future? Because if that is the case, hard to dispute Josh Rosen making more sense than Eli. I am sure they have done their research on Rosen. They just may not like him. And they can be 100% wrong or right..... but I am sure they havent blown everything off.

I have a problem with a lot of professional athletes nowadays, they behave like entitled brats. I will always respect Eli for handling the NY media and his job with the utmost professionalism. He was also a damn good quarterback who performed best when the lights were brightest. He'll be gone soon and we may be consistently reminded how good we had it here for many years.

This is a really tough subject because both sides make sense, and while my gut instinct tells me they should have moved on this offseason, i want to see how he performs when the team philosophy is finally run first with a lot of play action. They got away from that and it was a mistake.

JT, Eli has been apart of a losing team for some time now. And because of that, he's currently associated with losing for many fans. Its just the way it goes.

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If Eli can still play? Spoiler alert. He agree w me

is remain overly loyal to eli, i accept it. guy has done so much for this francise i can see it and i won't even fault him for it at this point. maybe it's not ideal, but they didn't draft darnold last year (really thought they would), and haskins will be hot garbage in this league so what should they do? draft one of jones, lock or grier with 17 or 37? hold off until 2020? i'm fine with holding off given the dearth of talent all across the roster and the fact that they couldn't field an NFL quality defense at this point..

no one is making much of the fact that brees, rivers, rothelis, etc. are in their late 30s and none of those teams have an heir apparent on the roster..

That's fair but people who say he won't make the hof are lost. Ask any with a vote. They'll tell you he's in

In comment 14380854 PatersonPlank said:

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It's not an anti-Eli thread.

In comment 14380864 jtgiants said:

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That's fair but people who say he won't make the hof are lost. Ask any with a vote. They'll tell you he's in

I don't think its a debate either.

and its why I don't really get the Gettleman hate for not solving the QB position. That simply wasn't his task up until now and even then, its more of a 2020 task that maybe he handles this year if someone falls/gets good value.

Mara has deep ties to Eli beyond the field. I'm sure he envisions Eli being here for the rest of his life as a Giants ambassador, future front office exec, etc. I don't see him just ending Eli's career on "bad" terms (trade or cut).

In comment 14380856 jtgiants said:

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If Eli can still play? Spoiler alert. He agree w me

I'm not an insider like you are but I do happen to know Justin personally and have for several years. I brought up his name because I know how he felt after the Giants showed no interest in bringing him back at the end of his deal. So I happen to know exactly what he thinks about Eli's play. He loves the guy personally and would never utter anything negative about him publicly. I'll just leave it at that.

there is a lot of Kool-aid and nostalgia.

thats great for kids with Eli Fatheads in their bedroom, but how has that helped the Giants win football games? and build a team?

it doesnt and hasnt... and we all have to live with it- some are more content with that than others

Are my expectations the Giants understand he is best under center with a strong commitment to the run game realistic? I'm tired of the team being in shotgun all the time.

have. Yes Eli is at the end and the Giants need to move on. However there isn't a good path there yet, so Eli continues to be the best option. When you are rebuilding a complete team, the last thing you want to do is "rip-off" the bandaid at QB and go completely unstable there just to save a little $$. That will lead to chaos and create instability, likely leading to driving out good players elsewhere. Build the team through the lines and D, add studs like Barkley, and let Eli supply the veteran stability and leadership to make this process as smooth as possible. Then go with a QB when the team is ready, ideally someone who has been here a year or two learning from Eli and gaining the trust of the players.

Plus Eli is a HOF player.

but have castigated for the last two years for making the same claim.

But, really, it doesn't take an insider to arrive at this. It's all be out there in press conferences, interviews, news reports, etc where the circumstantial is so overwhelming that Mara is determined to keep Eli, and has surrounded himself with like-minded thinkers.

It is just incredulous the lengths this organization has taken to improving and restoring Eli's legacy over winning.

In comment 14380875 hitdog42 said:

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there is a lot of Kool-aid and nostalgia. thats great for kids with Eli Fatheads in their bedroom, but how has that helped the Giants win football games? and build a team? it doesnt and hasnt... and we all have to live with it- some are more content with that than others

See I disagree with this. Lets forget Eli's play. You can still build a team if the QB isnt there that you want. Are we establishing the Giants arent getting better? I like the direction they are going. Getting rid of the me-first players, the distractions, concentrating on the OL/DL. I mean we all know this isnt going to be built in a year.

However, the REESE STINK, is still un full effect and set us back nearly a decade and counting. Its going to take some more years. But not a lot of GMs would have wanted the Giants situation.

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and his coaching staff believe differently. The rest of of you guys including The Rosen Cult have a sick mission. Many of us think DG and his staff are doing are doing a great job. Even it does not include Rosen. Hate the mercenary NFL for changing the dates so they can stay in the headlines up to the last minute. Thats what they are doing. Fake news is everywhere. Not good for any of us. My rant.

Mara has said he would never keep Eli on the team for sentimental reasons. Go figure.

In comment 14380884 bw in dc said:

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but have castigated for the last two years for making the same claim. But, really, it doesn't take an insider to arrive at this. It's all be out there in press conferences, interviews, news reports, etc where the circumstantial is so overwhelming that Mara is determined to keep Eli, and has surrounded himself with like-minded thinkers. It is just incredulous the lengths this organization has taken to improving and restoring Eli's legacy over winning.

You also like to fabricate and revise history.

jtgiants has maintained often that the Giants will move away from Eli - likely next year.

You've maintained that there has been a mandate to keep eli, that hiring choices were made with that being the primary driver, and that the team is being built around him. You've even asserted that certain personnel decisions have to go through eli before they happen.

You are castigated for having moronic conspiratorial type leanings. You are like the drunken guy in the boondocks who swears he saw a UFO and then equates it to being right if the head of NASA says there's a possibility life exists in the Universe.

In comment 14380884 bw in dc said:

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but have castigated for the last two years for making the same claim. But, really, it doesn't take an insider to arrive at this. It's all be out there in press conferences, interviews, news reports, etc where the circumstantial is so overwhelming that Mara is determined to keep Eli, and has surrounded himself with like-minded thinkers. It is just incredulous the lengths this organization has taken to improving and restoring Eli's legacy over winning.

and failing at both objectives

In comment 14380893 Jints in Carolina said:

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Agree with you the Fanatics have taken over this site by filibuster. Eric take note. Day after day the same BS. about Rosen.