On the crazy Russell Wilson/Cowherd 3 way deal thread jtgiants (who's been a fantastic resource for all of us this and past offseasons) said the following about the Giants cutting Eli:
| The Giants cutting Eli now would be a dick move and sever his relationship with the Giants by forcing his retirement. They won't do that to him or his legacy. Like it or not it isn't happening. |
I'm not trying to put jtgiants on the spot...I think he's plugged in and giving us an accurate perspective into the Giants' thinking.
You can not operate a football team this way. It's very difficult to win in the NFL if you're making critical decisions based on post-football relationships and legacies. If ever there were a time to ask "What would Belichick do?", this is it.
I very rarely start threads, but I felt this deserved one because jtgiants captured perfectly why Eli is still the QB - and it's not just about winning in 2019.
What a real question I have is and we will probably never know is if Gettleman said we should cut him definitively without a replacement in house would Mara agree?
Will we ever really know DG's opinion of Eli?
I don't think bw is off when he says it quite possibly could have been an requisite of DG getting hiring that he stuck with Eli and if it was entirely up to him he might have cut bait.
jt if you have any insights into this that would be wonderful!
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If they don't honestly believe Eli is the best option going forward but they just don't want to tarnish his legacy, we might as well not participate as fans until Eli is gone. They don't deserve support if they're operating under some sense of loyalty to the old QB. It's not fair to anyone else other than Eli. And frankly, Eli has received what he was owed and he really doesn't deserve anything more.
Do what you gotta do. See you in a couple years.
As a fan OF THE GIANTS, and specifically within the premise of this thread, which is that the Giants might be choosing to keep Eli solely for sentimental reasons and NOT because they actually believe he can still play effectively (which is what adamg is saying with "if" in case you didn't pick up on that), are you ok with that? Are you good with the team knowingly and willingly choosing a suboptimal path at QB exclusively because of nostalgia?
If (there's that word again) so, I'd have to ask if you're a fan of Eli more than the team itself. For me, I root for Eli because he's on the Giants, not the other way around. How about you? Based on your reply to adamg, it sure reads like you care more about Eli than you do about the best interest of the team, even if those two are not congruent. Do what you gotta do, I guess.
Now, obviously, this is all just a matter of conjecture. There's nothing concrete from the team that actually confirms (or even suggests) that their reason for keeping Eli is based solely in sentimentality and personal relationships. I'm not asking you or anyone else to say that there is. But IF.
That is a matter of opinion.
All the other stuff isn't relevant to 2019, if it was than why not bring Strahan out of retirement?
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In comment 14380974 rocco8112 said:
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I heard Gettleman explain QB hell when he got here. It is when a team is built and can compete with the best and the QB is holding the team back.
The Giants do not fit this description.
If we go 8-8 or 9-7 it wont be on Eli's back, It will be on Barkley and improved def, and we will fit this description pretty closely
"what I call quarterback hell. They've got quality defense, they've got a good special teams, and they're going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7. And now if there is a legitimate guy, they've got to trade up and give away the farm to get the guy."
I must have missed the good special teams, quality defnese and records near 8 and 8 these past few years. The team sucks. 2016 was a fluke and Eli was actually the best player on the field in the playoffs. The Giants have not been in QB hell, the team just sucked. Even last season the passing game improved as the year went on and it could be argued the offense was the strength of that crap team. Most QB'S the first half of last season would have been on a stretcher. I guess that is a kinda of QB hell. I stand by my claim the Giants of do not fit that description.
No the Giants have not been in QB hell. But if they get to 8-8 this year, they will be in QB hell. Eli is good enough to win some games but not good enough to be a serious contender and not bad enough to get the team a top draft spot.
But is he the best possible option? At his pre-3/17 cap hit of $17M (factoring in $6M of dead money), I can't trust the objectivity of anyone that answers in the affirmative.
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When Eli decided he didn't want to sit in the second half of the OAK game and preferred to bench himself, the fans went into an absolute outrage over the treatment Eli got, and the message was sent to ownership: Eli has earned a different level of respect and treatment than other players, and the fans want him treated differently.
The reaction by the fans to the "benching" was ridiculous then as has the reaction by the ownership to it now. We are getting the treatment of Eli that we deserve and asked for.
The reaction was justified cause they put an absolute shitbird in for no reason. Genao Smith didn’t earn shit and was given the keys for no reason.
Anyone with a clue that it was Reese and Ben sticking it to Eli cause they didn’t want him anymore.
I'm not so sure it was for no reason. It may have very well been an attempt to show that a veteran journeyman could operate the offense just as effectively. Obviously that's not saying very much given how crappy the offense was that season anyway.
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In comment 14380940 adamg said:
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If they don't honestly believe Eli is the best option going forward but they just don't want to tarnish his legacy, we might as well not participate as fans until Eli is gone. They don't deserve support if they're operating under some sense of loyalty to the old QB. It's not fair to anyone else other than Eli. And frankly, Eli has received what he was owed and he really doesn't deserve anything more.
Do what you gotta do. See you in a couple years.
As a fan OF THE GIANTS, and specifically within the premise of this thread, which is that the Giants might be choosing to keep Eli solely for sentimental reasons and NOT because they actually believe he can still play effectively (which is what adamg is saying with "if" in case you didn't pick up on that), are you ok with that? Are you good with the team knowingly and willingly choosing a suboptimal path at QB exclusively because of nostalgia?
If (there's that word again) so, I'd have to ask if you're a fan of Eli more than the team itself. For me, I root for Eli because he's on the Giants, not the other way around. How about you? Based on your reply to adamg, it sure reads like you care more about Eli than you do about the best interest of the team, even if those two are not congruent. Do what you gotta do, I guess.
Now, obviously, this is all just a matter of conjecture. There's nothing concrete from the team that actually confirms (or even suggests) that their reason for keeping Eli is based solely in sentimentality and personal relationships. I'm not asking you or anyone else to say that there is. But IF.
1. I attended my first Giants game in 1984. I was a Giants fan long before Eli Manning was here, and I'll be a fan long after. So just because I support ownership that Eli is the best option RIGHT NOW that means I've now evolved from Eli Apologist to non Giants fan? Is this how far you're going to take it now?
2. They have stated numerous times they believe Manning can still play. Mara has directly addressed and vehemently denied any notion that he is keeping Manning solely for sentimentality reasons. Believe what you want. But those are direct quotes from the horse's mouth, whether you agree with them or not. They have also stated numerous times that they are indeed planning for his successor, which leads me to my next point:
3. Why can they not plan for the future of the team, as well as the future of the position, while Manning is still the QB until his replacement arrives? That has been done in the NFL as long as I've been watching the NFL. They draft a rookie to sit and learn behind a veteran. Why can't some of you wrap your heads around that very simple fact.
4. The Maras and their sentimental way of running a business have brought us 4 Superbowl Championships and 5 Appearances over 4 decades. They are the only team to win a Superbowl once a decade for the past 40 years, to my knowledge. Maybe their consistent, non knee jerk reaction approach might actually work again?
5. Finally, as far as my post about fans choosing not to support the Giants as long as Eli remains QB. That's everybody's right, isn't it? If you disagree that Eli should be QB and want to stop watching until he's gone, then there's the door? This site won't miss you, the Giants won't miss you either. I think they'll be just fine. And so will you! Maybe not watching will make some of you less miserable, because you come off as genuinely miserable.
Because it s fun. No one is forced to participate in any form including reading the post or especially responding to it
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In comment 14380941 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14380940 adamg said:
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If they don't honestly believe Eli is the best option going forward but they just don't want to tarnish his legacy, we might as well not participate as fans until Eli is gone. They don't deserve support if they're operating under some sense of loyalty to the old QB. It's not fair to anyone else other than Eli. And frankly, Eli has received what he was owed and he really doesn't deserve anything more.
Do what you gotta do. See you in a couple years.
As a fan OF THE GIANTS, and specifically within the premise of this thread, which is that the Giants might be choosing to keep Eli solely for sentimental reasons and NOT because they actually believe he can still play effectively (which is what adamg is saying with "if" in case you didn't pick up on that), are you ok with that? Are you good with the team knowingly and willingly choosing a suboptimal path at QB exclusively because of nostalgia?
If (there's that word again) so, I'd have to ask if you're a fan of Eli more than the team itself. For me, I root for Eli because he's on the Giants, not the other way around. How about you? Based on your reply to adamg, it sure reads like you care more about Eli than you do about the best interest of the team, even if those two are not congruent. Do what you gotta do, I guess.
Now, obviously, this is all just a matter of conjecture. There's nothing concrete from the team that actually confirms (or even suggests) that their reason for keeping Eli is based solely in sentimentality and personal relationships. I'm not asking you or anyone else to say that there is. But IF.
1. I attended my first Giants game in 1984. I was a Giants fan long before Eli Manning was here, and I'll be a fan long after. So just because I support ownership that Eli is the best option RIGHT NOW that means I've now evolved from Eli Apologist to non Giants fan? Is this how far you're going to take it now?
2. They have stated numerous times they believe Manning can still play. Mara has directly addressed and vehemently denied any notion that he is keeping Manning solely for sentimentality reasons. Believe what you want. But those are direct quotes from the horse's mouth, whether you agree with them or not. They have also stated numerous times that they are indeed planning for his successor, which leads me to my next point:
3. Why can they not plan for the future of the team, as well as the future of the position, while Manning is still the QB until his replacement arrives? That has been done in the NFL as long as I've been watching the NFL. They draft a rookie to sit and learn behind a veteran. Why can't some of you wrap your heads around that very simple fact.
4. The Maras and their sentimental way of running a business have brought us 4 Superbowl Championships and 5 Appearances over 4 decades. They are the only team to win a Superbowl once a decade for the past 40 years, to my knowledge. Maybe their consistent, non knee jerk reaction approach might actually work again?
5. Finally, as far as my post about fans choosing not to support the Giants as long as Eli remains QB. That's everybody's right, isn't it? If you disagree that Eli should be QB and want to stop watching until he's gone, then there's the door? This site won't miss you, the Giants won't miss you either. I think they'll be just fine. And so will you! Maybe not watching will make some of you less miserable, because you come off as genuinely miserable.
Fair enough. I just thought it was nicer than asking if you knew what "if" meant, but I guess that was the problem all along.
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If Eli can still play? Spoiler alert. He agree w me
I'm not an insider like you are but I do happen to know Justin personally and have for several years. I brought up his name because I know how he felt after the Giants showed no interest in bringing him back at the end of his deal. So I happen to know exactly what he thinks about Eli's play. He loves the guy personally and would never utter anything negative about him publicly. I'll just leave it at that.
Wow!
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You asked the question - What would Belichick do?
He wanted to jettison Brady two years ago. But Kraft pulled ownership rank and forced the trade of JimG (speculation is Brady went to Kraft). And Brady is one of the all-timers.
So I don't think it's a leap to think Eli would have been cut two years ago or traded.
Didn't he just win another Superbowl with Brady at QB?
Yes. But my point is Belichick wanted to move on.
Naturally he figured it out, but he was overruled.
And Brady is significantly better than Eli, so it's hard to say this is an apple to apple compare...
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You asked the question - What would Belichick do?
He wanted to jettison Brady two years ago. But Kraft pulled ownership rank and forced the trade of JimG (speculation is Brady went to Kraft). And Brady is one of the all-timers.
So I don't think it's a leap to think Eli would have been cut two years ago or traded.
Considering that Belichick was apparently overruled by Patriots ownership in your premise, your conclusion that he would have cut Eli makes no sense.
Let me re-phrase - Belichick would have tried to cut Eli.
I cede the point Mara likely steps in and stops it.
2. They have stated numerous times they believe Manning can still play. Mara has directly addressed and vehemently denied any notion that he is keeping Manning solely for sentimentality reasons. Believe what you want. But those are direct quotes from the horse's mouth, whether you agree with them or not. They have also stated numerous times that they are indeed planning for his successor, which leads me to my next point:
Wait, you believed that?? LOL.
That was as defensive as it gets. Mara got asked a straight forward question. Instead of answering calmly, he basically exploded. It was not very becoming...
...Eli is a 2019 placeholder on a team that is trying to build its way toward respectability. And by "respectability" I mean something like 7/8 wins max.
But getting beyond respectability will be with a new QB.
I assume he is talking about his current level of play
Mike Lombardi is the last person to talk about QBs.
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considering Eli was decidedly better when Tuck was let go
I assume he is talking about his current level of play
To clarify, yes. Has nothing to do with Eli Manning the football player for the vast majority of his career.
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Great conversation on this topic on Lombardi's new podcast today.
Mike Lombardi is the last person to talk about QBs.
Ha...but we should listen to you?
You can dislike Lombardi, fair. Are you also going to discredit the legion of experts pointing out that Eli's play has deteriorated? Apparently that group even involves Justin Tuck, who loves Eli.
This situation with Eli boils down to one of two things:
1. The Giants are unduly influenced by sentimentality and nostalgia; or
2. The Giants are completely unable to assess QB play (this is a possibility given their recent whiffs with Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta)
Either way there is a fundamental problem involving the QB position that is hanging over this team like a cloud.
Giants have 1st down at 48 after kickoff with a minute to go
and all we needed was 10 yards for long field goal attempt
Manning could not get ONE YARD
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2. They have stated numerous times they believe Manning can still play. Mara has directly addressed and vehemently denied any notion that he is keeping Manning solely for sentimentality reasons. Believe what you want. But those are direct quotes from the horse's mouth, whether you agree with them or not. They have also stated numerous times that they are indeed planning for his successor, which leads me to my next point:
Wait, you believed that?? LOL.
That was as defensive as it gets. Mara got asked a straight forward question. Instead of answering calmly, he basically exploded. It was not very becoming...
Let me see if I got this straight.
So you're saying because Mara got agitated at the insinuation that he is staying with Manning for sentimental/loyalty reasons that he actually is doing just that.
Got it
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If Eli can still play? Spoiler alert. He agree w me
I'm not an insider like you are but I do happen to know Justin personally and have for several years. I brought up his name because I know how he felt after the Giants showed no interest in bringing him back at the end of his deal. So I happen to know exactly what he thinks about Eli's play. He loves the guy personally and would never utter anything negative about him publicly. I'll just leave it at that.
This all still leaves me with a lot of I don't know. It really depends on how the people in that locker room right now, that have not won one single thing with Eli, feel about Eli's play. If they believe he has it, then this is all good. If they think he has been declining and is not being held accountable in the same way as everyone else, and is getting special treatment, it could destroy the team. That's real.
Wait, you believed that?? LOL.
That was as defensive as it gets. Mara got asked a straight forward question. Instead of answering calmly, he basically exploded. It was not very becoming...
Let me see if I got this straight.
So you're saying because Mara got agitated at the insinuation that he is staying with Manning for sentimental/loyalty reasons that he actually is doing just that.
Got it
That is exactly what I am saying. This organization has reached a point where they have an irrational attachment to Eli.
If they believe there is a better QB available this year, whether that is Russell Wilson, Josh Rosen, Murray, Haskins, Lock, Jones or even Lauletta, that guy should play.
That is the bar that everyone else on this team should be judged by. You play if you give us the best chance to win right now. Any other consideration may be lovely for the fans and for Eli, but it is a disservice to everyone else in the locker room who is giving their all to get a spot on the roster and win games.
If management - Mara included - is using any other consideration, than in my opinion they are making a huge mistake.
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Wait, you believed that?? LOL.
That was as defensive as it gets. Mara got asked a straight forward question. Instead of answering calmly, he basically exploded. It was not very becoming...
Let me see if I got this straight.
So you're saying because Mara got agitated at the insinuation that he is staying with Manning for sentimental/loyalty reasons that he actually is doing just that.
Got it
That is exactly what I am saying. This organization has reached a point where they have an irrational attachment to Eli.
What's hard for some of the people that want to move on from Eli to understand is that there doesn't appear to be anyone good enough to be the Giants quarterback in last year's or this year's draft, or on anyone else's team, until Eli decides for himself to hang it up. That just seems hard to believe, the fact that people are saying Russell Wilson isn't good enough, makes the argument to keep Eli around seem seeped in homerism.
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He is the same player that he always has been, if you don't like Eli today than you never have. He's not a mobile QB. I get it, its exciting to watch these guys that can make things happen with their feet.
I can honestly only laugh whenever I see this comment. To say he is the same player he has always been does nothing but diminish how great of a player he used to be in his prime. No, he was never a runner, but he used to be much more mobile in the pocket. Go to 4:30 in the linked video below. One of my favorite Eli plays ever. You think Eli could still pull that off? The spin move against Dallas in the '11 final regular season game comes to mind too.
Also, he used to stand in the pocket and take hits while delivering the ball downfield. How about the throw to Cruz to beat the Redskins in 2012 while taking a hit? Today he would have tucked the ball and fell to the ground when he saw the free rusher.
Lastly (and most importantly), the magic is gone. In his prime he was always great in the biggest moments. You knew he was going to take the ball down the field and win the game. My last memories of 2018 are a horribly overthrown interception and 4 straight incompletions with the ball at mid field against the Colts and Cowboys with only a field goal needed to win.
Just stop with this nonsense that he is the same player he has always been. I wish he were but he is not even close to the same player. Eli vs. Falcons - ( New Window )
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Great conversation on this topic on Lombardi's new podcast today.
Mike Lombardi is the last person to talk about QBs.
In your mind this is not true, but to everyone else who watches football Mike Lombardi is eminently more qualified to provide trustworthy opinions on QBs than you or any fan.
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Great conversation on this topic on Lombardi's new podcast today.
Mike Lombardi is the last person to talk about QBs.
We should only listen to Zac Schomler
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In comment 14381127 Go Terps said:
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Great conversation on this topic on Lombardi's new podcast today.
Mike Lombardi is the last person to talk about QBs.
Ha...but we should listen to you?
You can dislike Lombardi, fair. Are you also going to discredit the legion of experts pointing out that Eli's play has deteriorated? Apparently that group even involves Justin Tuck, who loves Eli.
This situation with Eli boils down to one of two things:
1. The Giants are unduly influenced by sentimentality and nostalgia; or
2. The Giants are completely unable to assess QB play (this is a possibility given their recent whiffs with Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta)
Either way there is a fundamental problem involving the QB position that is hanging over this team like a cloud.
Bingo.
b) Eli wouldn't still be on the roster if they didn't think he could still play. So the inference that he's garbage and we are just holding on to him to not sever a legacy is built on a false premise. They. Think. He. Can. Still. Play. If they didn't think that he would have been cut last month. Russell Wilson's contract negotiations don't impact an evaluation that they already made.
c) Of the 10,000 reasons why Russell Wilson won't be the NYG starting QB, Eli may be 1 of them but there are probably about 100 more critical hurdles above that. Compensation to the Seahawks, salary, Golden Tate being on our roster, etc.
But to those with an agenda, sure, what is likely a far fetched rumor is yet another indication that the Giants are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face in honor of Eli Manning. It can't possibly be because of reluctance on the part of the Seahawks to trade him, within the conference no less, or to give him a record setting setting contract, or whatever other reasons lead players to other teams that play positions other than QB. Or are they all trying to stay away from the stink of Eli's corpse too?
All of a sudden, one week later, McAdoo and Reese are gone, Eli is reinstated as the starter, and since that time there has been not a single shred of evidence that the Giants have even considered for a second anyone but Eli Manning being the quarterback. The current GM and coach both said he would be back and he would be the starter the day that they were hired and they have not waivered in that sentiment since.
So, what happened in that week when we went from Eli no more to Eli forever? Why did everything change and why are we still almost 2 years and just 5 more wins later still living in the aftershock? If your answers is "strictly football reasons," then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Took the words right out of my mouth
Which they've been trying to do for the past couple years in earnest, and have declared with more public intensity than ever before that they are looking to find a QB in the draft in a couple weeks. Out of every single QB that has changed teams or been drafted the last 2 offseasons, there is 1 that anybody can point to as a QB of the future they'd like to have (Sam Darnold). They could very well come away with a prospect on his level in less than 2 weeks, and have Barkley to pair that player with.
Let's see what happens in 2 weeks, the rest is just noise. Choosing the wrong QB of the future will set the franchise back further than hanging on to Eli for an extra year or two.
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39 next season’s playoffs. He can go in the dumper at ANY time! Hell her could show up in camp and be toast. Then they are screwed. They are playing Russian roulette here. Not smart. That’s why they need to get his successor in here sooner rather than later. To be ready when the inevitable happens.
Which they've been trying to do for the past couple years in earnest, and have declared with more public intensity than ever before that they are looking to find a QB in the draft in a couple weeks. Out of every single QB that has changed teams or been drafted the last 2 offseasons, there is 1 that anybody can point to as a QB of the future they'd like to have (Sam Darnold). They could very well come away with a prospect on his level in less than 2 weeks, and have Barkley to pair that player with.
Let's see what happens in 2 weeks, the rest is just noise. Choosing the wrong QB of the future will set the franchise back further than hanging on to Eli for an extra year or two.
What exactly is the evidence that the Giants have been trying "in earnest" to replace Eli Manning? I think it is the exact opposite.
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considering Eli was decidedly better when Tuck was let go
I assume he is talking about his current level of play
And how do we know how correct it is?
What exactly is the evidence that the Giants have been trying "in earnest" to replace Eli Manning? I think it is the exact opposite.
They drafted 2 QB's higher than they have in any other time during Eli's career and were heavily involved in evaluating first round prospects both years. They liked Mahomes in '17, they wined and dined every big QB last year but didn't have a consensus choice over Barkley. Gettleman has publicly said they want to find his successor in the draft this year.
That's all been confirmed to a far greater extent by reporting than the original rumor this thread was based on (Russell Wilson) and the corresponding leap of faith that they fear replacing Eli.
The answer is very very dense.
All of a sudden, one week later, McAdoo and Reese are gone, Eli is reinstated as the starter, and since that time there has been not a single shred of evidence that the Giants have even considered for a second anyone but Eli Manning being the quarterback. The current GM and coach both said he would be back and he would be the starter the day that they were hired and they have not waivered in that sentiment since.
So, what happened in that week when we went from Eli no more to Eli forever? Why did everything change and why are we still almost 2 years and just 5 more wins later still living in the aftershock? If your answers is "strictly football reasons," then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
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considering Eli was decidedly better when Tuck was let go
I assume he is talking about his current level of play
And how do we know how correct it is?
Are you asking how truthful story is you or are you asking if Justin Tuck knows football?
He's not going to show up one day and be Mark Sanchez. That's not how it works. But the day has already come where he showed up and wasn't Eli Manning.
That plus player at QB is gone. He's never, ever coming back.
When a guy is as durable and plays through what you can only imagine Manning has played through -- it happens.
He's played a full season more games than Roethlisberger. Twenty-two more games than Rivers. He's attempting more than 800 throws than either.
So with his arrow pointing down, again, is this a guy to build a champion around?
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In comment 14381114 NoGainDayne said:
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considering Eli was decidedly better when Tuck was let go
I assume he is talking about his current level of play
And how do we know how correct it is?
Are you asking how truthful story is you or are you asking if Justin Tuck knows football?
How truthful it is, why would you think I would say Tuck doesn't know Football? That's just silly
I have had some very negative comment about Eli: that his HoF credentials are very shaky; that he himself is most responsible for a very mediocre career record of 116-114 after 15 years; that he has rightfully been ranked top 5 among his QB peers in only 2 of those 5 years; that his #2 spot in the all-time NFL career earning list can only be secured by relentless pursuing it, never leaving a dollar on the table; that starting from force a trade on his first day in the NFL to his current hard stance of not-taking-a-pay-cut-and-not-waiving-the-no-trade ... every one of his NFL action/decision was to maximize his own interest; and, therefore, that the Giants organization and fans do not owe him a damn thing; any feeling of mis-treating him by the team or fans is absurd. In fact the Giants should have parted way with him several years ago.
But, since 2004 I have also watched the Giants play live in six different NFL stadiums, including the 2012 NFC title game at Candlestick then Super Bowl 46 at Indy two weeks later, loudly cheering for the team on each occasions, mostly when Eli handled the ball.
I have also purchased an Eli Manning game-day jersey, and a helmet with his signature. These two items, plus the print-editions of Newspaper and SI after his Super Bowl 42 and 46, will follow me to the grave.
So, tell me, have I had proper "respect" for Mr. Elisha Nelson Manning?
All of a sudden, one week later, McAdoo and Reese are gone, Eli is reinstated as the starter, and since that time there has been not a single shred of evidence that the Giants have even considered for a second anyone but Eli Manning being the quarterback. The current GM and coach both said he would be back and he would be the starter the day that they were hired and they have not waivered in that sentiment since.
So, what happened in that week when we went from Eli no more to Eli forever? Why did everything change and why are we still almost 2 years and just 5 more wins later still living in the aftershock? If your answers is "strictly football reasons," then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
one of the best posts I have read this offseason...
1. The Giants had a picture of Beckham’s one-handed catch next to their SB trophies. Not Eli related, but I really hope this isn’t true.
2. Lombardi insists the Giants LOVED Davis Webb (I’m assuming Reese/McAdoo). Supposedly he was the highest rated QB on their board, even above Mahomes.
3. Peter King made the point and it’s a good one - the Giants have spent a 3rd & 4th rounder on QB’s in each of the last 2 years, yet by halfway through the season the Giants had no interest in playing them. It’s likely Lauletta doesn’t break camp with the team.
Which leads me to believe it is a QB talent evaluation issue and not an Eli mandate issue.
Dumb and dumber weren’t expecting Eli to do what he did. And neither was Mara. He was caught off guard with no explanation.
That’s why they were fired immediately. They lied to Mara. And that’s why neither has a job or Marc Ross does til this day.