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Why Eli Manning is Better Than You Think

David B. : 4/10/2019 9:13 pm
Hater's gonna hate, regardless.

But this is basically what I've seen.
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Still like Eli and believe he can be a winner  
eric2425ny : 4/10/2019 9:20 pm : link
but I also want to see us get a guy in here sooner rather than later to replace him in either 2020, or partway through that season if things aren’t looking great.

I know some are recently down on Haskins, but he’s a guy that would be a perfect fit to sit for a year and learn behind Eli. I heard Weis on NFL Radio this morning saying that he feels Will Grier is the guy that would be the most ready to play right away due to maturity and experience, but Haskins has the highest upside of all of the QB’s in this draft (outside of Murray). Weis nailed it with his love of Mayfield last year over the other three prospects (Allen, Rosen, and Darnold), so far at least.
Good video  
Scuzzlebutt : 4/10/2019 10:31 pm : link
Accurate depiction of Eli’s recent career IMO.
Thanks for posting  
Vinny from Danbury : 4/11/2019 1:43 am : link
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100% spot on breakdown of the last few years  
montanagiant : 4/11/2019 2:21 am : link
Godd link
For me it s never been about , “Can Eli still play?”  
joeinpa : 4/11/2019 5:44 am : link
I don’t have the expertise to evaluate an NFL quarterback or know how much he can still play

But what I do know is 8-24, and 38, Eli s age. Which begs the question:

Do you believe the Giants will win another Super Bowl before Eli is done. If you believe yes, then any desire to keep passing on a quarterback to live in the moment is justified.

If you believe no, which I believe is the Giants position or else they would have signed him to an extension, it s hard to justify kicking the ball down the road.

All the reasons given over the past two seasons to past on quarterbacks, rooted I believe in a desire to keep the clock from beginning to tick on Eli, Miss an important point:

With Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Haskins, Lock, etc. the Giants move on to the new era and can stop chasing past glory, which for 7 years has led to some awful football.

I’ve narrowed it down  
hitdog42 : 4/11/2019 5:53 am : link
To 5 handles this could be here.
That’s a nice highlight video- where is the part that does proper analysis instead of generic comments and cherry picking?

Of course there are windows of good play- and of course there is a 5 year window of elite play from Eli 2007 playoffs through 2012. But dear lord - this must be the video that Mara walked into dgs office with—— see Dave it’s not his fault. - it’s smart to have a 3 yr plan built around him and pay him 23m a year at this age/level of play- it’s good for the future of the franchise
Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/11/2019 6:55 am : link
If someone says that Manning has always been a mediocre quarterback who just had two fluke lucky years then perhaps that might apply. But as feeling now that it is time to replace him, how many NFL teams have ever started a 39 year old quarterback who, in his last seven seasons, has a record of 47-65 with one playoff game?

And they have the draft choices this year to get the new guy.
RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
joeinpa : 4/11/2019 7:03 am : link
In comment 14381982 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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If someone says that Manning has always been a mediocre quarterback who just had two fluke lucky years then perhaps that might apply. But as feeling now that it is time to replace him, how many NFL teams have ever started a 39 year old quarterback who, in his last seven seasons, has a record of 47-65 with one playoff game?

And they have the draft choices this year to get the new guy.


47-65. Yikes, How does anyone dismiss the quarterback’s role in that record.

Bad O-line  
Jimmy Googs : 4/11/2019 7:07 am : link
The Defense can't hold leads
The WRs run the wrong routes
Poor playcalling
The dog ate my homework...
I do think the guy who put that piece together  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/11/2019 7:28 am : link
has made a reasonably good case.

Count me among those who think Eli can still play.
Of course Eli can still play, despite  
Big Blue '56 : 4/11/2019 7:33 am : link
having to do so behind one of the most porous lines for years. Do we need a QB of the future? Of course and the sooner the better.

Put him on last year’s Chargers’ team and it would be Eli that would be lauded and not Rivers, imv.

ZERO MINDS will be changed on this, so fruitless to partake in continual debate
Look  
mdthedream : 4/11/2019 7:55 am : link
if Eli doesn't get time to throw he is in trouble because of mobility not his arm. So the Giants are doing the right thing in finally building a Oline. Lets hope we can build a better defense.
We’re going to find out, one way or another, this year aren’t we?  
UberAlias : 4/11/2019 8:05 am : link
O-Line has improved, so we’ll get a chance to see what he can do.
RE: Bad O-line  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 8:07 am : link
In comment 14381989 Jimmy Googs said:
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The Defense can't hold leads
The WRs run the wrong routes
Poor playcalling
The dog ate my homework...


It’s always Eli’s fault.
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2019 8:10 am : link
There are two daily occurrences here that are as sure as the sun rising and setting...

1. An Eli Manning thread.
2. An Odell Beckham thread.

Same people arguing the same points day after day.

It's actually exhausting just seeing the threads and barely even reading them at all anymore.

This draft cannot come soon enough.
RE: RE: Bad O-line  
joeinpa : 4/11/2019 8:11 am : link
In comment 14382036 dep026 said:
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In comment 14381989 Jimmy Googs said:


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The Defense can't hold leads
The WRs run the wrong routes
Poor playcalling
The dog ate my homework...



It’s always Eli’s fault.


No dep. But some of us believe he shares in the blame.
RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/11/2019 8:30 am : link
In comment 14381985 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14381982 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:


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If someone says that Manning has always been a mediocre quarterback who just had two fluke lucky years then perhaps that might apply. But as feeling now that it is time to replace him, how many NFL teams have ever started a 39 year old quarterback who, in his last seven seasons, has a record of 47-65 with one playoff game?

And they have the draft choices this year to get the new guy.



47-65. Yikes, How does anyone dismiss the quarterback’s role in that record.


I'll ask this like I have many other threads:

"Are there any posters saying Eli doesn't deserve some blame??"

I'll also point to Philip Rivers, a guy many on BBI called the MVP of last season. He went through a stretch where his team missed the playoffs 7 out of 8 years. Had a 12 loss season and an 11 loss season.

How many people truly believe Rivers was the main reason for that drought? Compare that to how many people think Eli is the main reason (if not the sole reason) for our drought

That's why the topic is crazy. So inconsistent.
RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14382038 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14381989 Jimmy Googs said:


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The Defense can't hold leads
The WRs run the wrong routes
Poor playcalling
The dog ate my homework...



It’s always Eli’s fault.



No dep. But some of us believe he shares in the blame.


So that means that other people on the offense screwed up? Gee golly, thats been something that has been tried to be said here but is usually countered with "youre an eli lover" "you're an eli apologist" or what ever nonsense was written that I replied too.
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Mike from Ohio : 4/11/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14382037 arcarsenal said:
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There are two daily occurrences here that are as sure as the sun rising and setting...

1. An Eli Manning thread.
2. An Odell Beckham thread.

Same people arguing the same points day after day.

It's actually exhausting just seeing the threads and barely even reading them at all anymore.

This draft cannot come soon enough.


These threads are an interesting study in human behavior. The same people making the same arguments they have made 1,000 times, yet they still come on and post the same thing over and over.

I wonder what they are expecting to happen in this thread that is different than the last thousand on the same topic?
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arcarsenal : 4/11/2019 9:27 am : link
Yep.

After a certain point, no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

But everyone just keeps trying.
I was looking back at the numbers for last year.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/11/2019 9:34 am : link
Manning: 4299 yards, 21 TD’s 11 INT’s. 92.4 QBR, 66% passing.

His yards last year were the 4th highest of his career.
His completion percentage was the highest of his career
His interceptions were the 2nd lowest of his career (not counting year 1)

He also had 3 games with 0 TD’s and 7 games with 1 TD.

If Eli Manning puts up a few more TD’s in those games... We are talking about how Eli (at 37) put up one of the best statistical seasons of his career.

I think the talk of his demise has been highly exaggerated. Let’s not forget also, that NONE of those stats were garbage time stats. Outside the Saints and TENN games, The Giants were in every one of those games last year. Margin of loss was less than 7 points.

There is reason for optimism. The boys played hard for PS. Character issue guys are gone (for the most part) and we SHOULD have an upgraded OL.

I can’t wait for the draft. There is reason for optimism.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/11/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14382138 arcarsenal said:
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Yep.

After a certain point, no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

But everyone just keeps trying.


That will hopefully be my last Eli post, at least as it pertains to pro and cons. My post above was simple and to the point, but yes, I say the same fucking thing every time. So, people are indeed dug in, both ways
RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
joeinpa : 4/11/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14382056 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14381982 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:


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If someone says that Manning has always been a mediocre quarterback who just had two fluke lucky years then perhaps that might apply. But as feeling now that it is time to replace him, how many NFL teams have ever started a 39 year old quarterback who, in his last seven seasons, has a record of 47-65 with one playoff game?

And they have the draft choices this year to get the new guy.



47-65. Yikes, How does anyone dismiss the quarterback’s role in that record.




I'll ask this like I have many other threads:

"Are there any posters saying Eli doesn't deserve some blame??"

I thought I ve read more than once Eli is the same guy he s always been,

I was responding mostly to dep sarcasm though.
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gidiefor : Mod : 4/11/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14382138 arcarsenal said:
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Yep.

After a certain point, no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

But everyone just keeps trying.


This is a sad commentary. I don't agree, nor do I believe, that no one can make a persuasive argument, nor that anyone can't change their mind

The impenetration of your mind does not reflect all minds
RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
David B. : 4/11/2019 10:11 am : link
Cause you're still hating.

I guess Archie was a shit QB too, because he never had a winning record.

Football is a TEAM sport. People say "Eli has a losing record over the last few years." No THE GIANTS have had the losing record. Eli was just the QB. Sure, he played a part in it. But the other factors mentioned -- dismal protection, no running game, Defenses that couldn't hold 4th quarter leads that Eli often provided -- also played parts. Often bigger parts. Don't forget bad drafting, too.


About the picks -- you know who else threw tons of picks? Favre, Marino, Unitas, Brees -- lots of HOF QBs people rate higher than Eli. Gunslinger QBs take chances.

People don't realize Eli has never been a play-it-safe QB. And if you want that, you're a pussy. You don't get the Manningham SB-winning throw with a play-it-safe QB. You don't get Tyree either, and yes -- there was a TON of luck on that play, but a play-it-safe QB NEVER makes that throw to begin with, so you don't even have the chance for a miracle.

Zac Shomler's Eli video said one VERY INTERESTING thing that I don't know if anyone else here picked up on. He said:

"Eli ALWAYS makes the right decision with the football -- EXCEPT when he (was) throwing to OBJ."

That is, when Eli took chances, and would force the ball into riskier spots, it was ALWAYS to OBJ -- betting on OBJ's brilliance to make a big play. And frankly, if you're gonna take a chance, and OBJ's on your team, why wouldn't you do it that way?


You don't think the coaches KNEW he was doing that? It's clear on the film that that's what he was doing. You don't think his head coaches OK'd that approach?

Now that OBJ is gone, Eli has less reason to take those chances, and will probably be more efficient.

But nothing posted here matters. Guys who think Eli's done aren't going to be reasoned out of it, because you weren't reasoned into it. Fortunately, it ain't your call.

I don't see it that way, but if I needed a second opinion to corroborate what my own eyes tell me, I'd trust these guys who've actually played football, and can break down film; and professional film-room rats like Gettleman a lot more than anyone here. Those folks are all saying he can still play effectively.

I guess you guys who disagree will just have to lump-it until they find the next guy, and pray that guy isn't Kent Graham.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/11/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14382058 dep026 said:
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In comment 14382036 dep026 said:


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In comment 14381989 Jimmy Googs said:


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The Defense can't hold leads
The WRs run the wrong routes
Poor playcalling
The dog ate my homework...



It’s always Eli’s fault.



No dep. But some of us believe he shares in the blame.



So that means that other people on the offense screwed up? Gee golly, thats been something that has been tried to be said here but is usually countered with "youre an eli lover" "you're an eli apologist" or what ever nonsense was written that I replied too.

For the sake of conversation, why don't you tell us how much of the blame you think Eli actually does deserve? And why don't you tell us one or two examples of when you felt like a loss was squarely on Eli? That would probably help show that you do actually have a balanced perspective on it.
RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/11/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14382222 David B. said:
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About the picks -- you know who else threw tons of picks? Favre, Marino, Unitas, Brees -- lots of HOF QBs people rate higher than Eli. Gunslinger QBs take chances.

Did any of those guys lead the NFL in turnovers for the entirely of their career? Did any of them lead the league in turnovers three separate times during their career?

Gunslingers do take chances, that's true. Eli - partly due to scheme and partly due to his own play - has been more careless with the ball than any of the others that you listed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14382239 Gatorade Dunk said:
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For the sake of conversation, why don't you tell us how much of the blame you think Eli actually does deserve? And why don't you tell us one or two examples of when you felt like a loss was squarely on Eli? That would probably help show that you do actually have a balanced perspective on it.


Percentage of blame? Oh for fucks sake. How about we make this simple. Lets talk about the games where Eli didnt help us win.

- 1st Eagles game
- Tennesee
- First Washington game
- You want to throw first Dallas game, be my guest. Ill blame the OL more for that one.

So by my calculations (ill make up a formula like PFF and QBR does because thats the cool thing to do.), ill put the the percentage at 26.7%?

Sounds good skippy?
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Big Blue '56 : 4/11/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14382221 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14382138 arcarsenal said:


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Yep.

After a certain point, no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

But everyone just keeps trying.



This is a sad commentary. I don't agree, nor do I believe, that no one can make a persuasive argument, nor that anyone can't change their mind

The impenetration of your mind does not reflect all minds


Who, to your knowledge, has changed his or her mind, one way or the other?
RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14382243 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14382222 David B. said:


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About the picks -- you know who else threw tons of picks? Favre, Marino, Unitas, Brees -- lots of HOF QBs people rate higher than Eli. Gunslinger QBs take chances.


Did any of those guys lead the NFL in turnovers for the entirely of their career? Did any of them lead the league in turnovers three separate times during their career?

Gunslingers do take chances, that's true. Eli - partly due to scheme and partly due to his own play - has been more careless with the ball than any of the others that you listed.


Favre led the league in INTs 3 times
Ben, Rivers, Unitas, Moon led the league in INTs twice
Joe Namath led the league 4 times.

Those are some quick examples... but I guess they wont be classified as gunslingers and poor play on their part.
RE: RE: RE: .  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/11/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14382263 Big Blue '56 said:
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Who, to your knowledge, has changed his or her mind, one way or the other?


I have sir
RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/11/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14382243 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14382222 David B. said:


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About the picks -- you know who else threw tons of picks? Favre, Marino, Unitas, Brees -- lots of HOF QBs people rate higher than Eli. Gunslinger QBs take chances.


Did any of those guys lead the NFL in turnovers for the entirely of their career? Did any of them lead the league in turnovers three separate times during their career?

Gunslingers do take chances, that's true. Eli - partly due to scheme and partly due to his own play - has been more careless with the ball than any of the others that you listed.


Are you sure about this??

Eli and Favre both led the league in INT's three times. Those were the only times Eli threw over 20 INT's. Favre did it 6 times.

Unitas only led the league in INT's 2 times, Brees and Marino once.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/11/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14382258 dep026 said:
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In comment 14382239 Gatorade Dunk said:


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For the sake of conversation, why don't you tell us how much of the blame you think Eli actually does deserve? And why don't you tell us one or two examples of when you felt like a loss was squarely on Eli? That would probably help show that you do actually have a balanced perspective on it.



Percentage of blame? Oh for fucks sake. How about we make this simple. Lets talk about the games where Eli didnt help us win.

- 1st Eagles game
- Tennesee
- First Washington game
- You want to throw first Dallas game, be my guest. Ill blame the OL more for that one.

So by my calculations (ill make up a formula like PFF and QBR does because thats the cool thing to do.), ill put the the percentage at 26.7%?

Sounds good skippy?

My point was, you seem to get sensitive about being called an Eli apologist or whatever, but that stems from defending Eli at every turn and at no point putting any of the blame on him for this extended stretch of stench. The request for a percentage of the blame was largely rhetorical - I just was wondering whether you actually think he deserves any blame at all. Even in your reply above, you shifted the question from are there losses for which Eli is responsible to here are some games that he didn't help win.

We just see it differently, and probably will continue to. At least it makes for lively discussion.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14382269 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Are you sure about this??

Eli and Favre both led the league in INT's three times. Those were the only times Eli threw over 20 INT's. Favre did it 6 times.

Unitas only led the league in INT's 2 times, Brees and Marino once.


I beat you to the point. You're getting old.
Pro..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/11/2019 10:34 am : link
football reference was slow loading for me!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14382271 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14382258 dep026 said:


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In comment 14382239 Gatorade Dunk said:


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For the sake of conversation, why don't you tell us how much of the blame you think Eli actually does deserve? And why don't you tell us one or two examples of when you felt like a loss was squarely on Eli? That would probably help show that you do actually have a balanced perspective on it.



Percentage of blame? Oh for fucks sake. How about we make this simple. Lets talk about the games where Eli didnt help us win.

- 1st Eagles game
- Tennesee
- First Washington game
- You want to throw first Dallas game, be my guest. Ill blame the OL more for that one.

So by my calculations (ill make up a formula like PFF and QBR does because thats the cool thing to do.), ill put the the percentage at 26.7%?

Sounds good skippy?


My point was, you seem to get sensitive about being called an Eli apologist or whatever, but that stems from defending Eli at every turn and at no point putting any of the blame on him for this extended stretch of stench. The request for a percentage of the blame was largely rhetorical - I just was wondering whether you actually think he deserves any blame at all. Even in your reply above, you shifted the question from are there losses for which Eli is responsible to here are some games that he didn't help win.

We just see it differently, and probably will continue to. At least it makes for lively discussion.


Or maybe its just easier to look at it this way.

After a game we lose, there are 1000 Eli threads on why he cost us the game or how he doesnt have it. If I dare blame someone else or point out their ineffective play - it makes me an Eli-apologist.

Sounds stupid right? Well, there ya go...
RE: Pro..  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14382280 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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football reference was slow loading for me!


Stop downloading porn, and it goes quicker.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/11/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14382266 dep026 said:
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About the picks -- you know who else threw tons of picks? Favre, Marino, Unitas, Brees -- lots of HOF QBs people rate higher than Eli. Gunslinger QBs take chances.


Did any of those guys lead the NFL in turnovers for the entirely of their career? Did any of them lead the league in turnovers three separate times during their career?

Gunslingers do take chances, that's true. Eli - partly due to scheme and partly due to his own play - has been more careless with the ball than any of the others that you listed.



Favre led the league in INTs 3 times
Ben, Rivers, Unitas, Moon led the league in INTs twice
Joe Namath led the league 4 times.

Those are some quick examples... but I guess they wont be classified as gunslingers and poor play on their part.

Ah, you're right about Favre. I should have known that he would have been right there with his style of play, too.

Other than Unitas, the others aren't even in David B's post, so why are they mentioned? Just historically great QBs and Eli's contemporaries who have lead the league in INTs multiple times? Fair point, I guess.

As for Namath, he's probably the most overrated QB in league history, IMO. I feel like even mentioning him in the same breath as Eli is insulting to Eli.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why must you say “haters going to hate.”  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14382291 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Ah, you're right about Favre. I should have known that he would have been right there with his style of play, too.

Other than Unitas, the others aren't even in David B's post, so why are they mentioned? Just historically great QBs and Eli's contemporaries who have lead the league in INTs multiple times? Fair point, I guess.

As for Namath, he's probably the most overrated QB in league history, IMO. I feel like even mentioning him in the same breath as Eli is insulting to Eli.


I picked QBs who have always been risky QBs who have thrown the ball. While people might not see that with Rivers and Ben - they have been. The differnece is they havent been in the position a lot to be in those situations. Brees up until the last 2-3 years was a big risk taker.

And these are all great QBs. HOF QBs. And the reason is great is that they have made throws that not only a lot of QBs cant make, but arent willing to make. It does lead to more turnovers, I agree.

but if Eli was a safe less-risky QB.... we would have 2 less SBs. Not something I would want just so he could throw less INTs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/11/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14382258 dep026 said:
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So by my calculations (ill make up a formula like PFF and QBR does because thats the cool thing to do.), ill put the the percentage at 26.7%?

Sounds good skippy?


I bet you could come up with some other ways to be just as clear without a demeaning comment
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad O-line  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14382306 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14382258 dep026 said:


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So by my calculations (ill make up a formula like PFF and QBR does because thats the cool thing to do.), ill put the the percentage at 26.7%?

Sounds good skippy?



I bet you could come up with some other ways to be just as clear without a demeaning comment


He called me a Tim Allen fan before. I didnt think I could go lower...haha

But the skippy part should have been omitted. I agree.
You are what your record is...  
silverfox : 4/11/2019 10:57 am : link
...two amazing and lucky years, and a whole lotta mediocre and shit years.
8-24 or 47-65  
RinR : 4/11/2019 10:59 am : link
I'd like to know how many of those losses were because the D failed to make a final stop.

Carolina last year immediately comes to mind but I'm too lazy to look up the rest.

Point being those losses are not on Eli.
at this stage of his career  
Les in TO : 4/11/2019 11:00 am : link
Eli Manning is a bottom tier starting QB. the only way you can win consistently with him as your QB is with a dominant defense (or a defense facing a putrid backup like mark sanchez) and an offense built around a strong running game. earlier in his career, he was able to make plays off schedule, when things aren't perfect around him and lead the team to wins, but in the sunset of his career, we aren't seeing that consistently.
so QBR  
hitdog42 : 4/11/2019 11:02 am : link
a metric that has tom brady basically top 5-6 every season the last 5 yrs... and generally identifies guys having good years-- and allows for some random guys to pop in when they are very efficient---- is a MUCH worse metric- then your eye test.... because??? it doesnt spit out the answer you want?

2018
Maholmes
Brees
Trubisky
25. Eli

2017
Wentz
Keenum
Brady
22. Eli

2016
Ryan
Brady
Prescott
27. Eli

2015
Palmer
Big Ben
Dalton
16. Eli

2014
romo
Rogers
Brady
14. eli

2013
Peyton
Rivers
Cutler
27. Eli




And there were posters  
RinR : 4/11/2019 11:02 am : link
actually blaming Eli for the Carolina loss because he didnt take enough time off the clock on the go ahead drive.

Too funny
QBR  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 11:04 am : link
Is a made up formula that doesn’t represent the true formula of actual game play.

They value a 5 yard rush by a QB more than they do a 10 yard completion. Makes sense doesn’t it?
RE: You are what your record is...  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14382330 silverfox said:
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...two amazing and lucky years, and a whole lotta mediocre and shit years.


Wow.
RE: QBR  
hitdog42 : 4/11/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14382350 dep026 said:
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Is a made up formula that doesn’t represent the true formula of actual game play.

They value a 5 yard rush by a QB more than they do a 10 yard completion. Makes sense doesn’t it?


the ability for a QB to escape the pocket frequently to get 5 yards is very valuable
RE: RE: QBR  
dep026 : 4/11/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14382355 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 14382350 dep026 said:


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Is a made up formula that doesn’t represent the true formula of actual game play.

They value a 5 yard rush by a QB more than they do a 10 yard completion. Makes sense doesn’t it?



the ability for a QB to escape the pocket frequently to get 5 yards is very valuable


Throwing for 10 yards is much more valuable.
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