We have all heard it dozens of times from management and the press, the Giants take the BPA at their slot. We can all dissect how true that statement is or not, but I believe there is a level of truth to it.
With that, if the top players targeted for our D at 6 are taken ahead of our pick (Bosa, Allen, Q. W, White), is Hockensen the next BPA and is he even a possibility at 6?
Now I am not arguing for or against this pick, but I have a feeling he is the player we are all discounting to be picked at the 6th slot, am I wrong?
I know D is more of a priority, but who is the better player between Sweat, Oliver and Hockensen, which might be what we see on draft day?
We all want the Defense too be rebuilt simply because our Defense has been gutted by trades and last season we lost at least 5 games because the defense could not make a stop.
If we were to take him it's a major step forward for both the running and passing game and we have 11 other selections to shore up the Defense.
If we are waiting till next year to draft or trade for a QB then it would be in our best interest to put all the pieces together on the offense to give the heir apparent all the tools he will need to be successful.
He's not a great blocker. I've watched him specifically. He gets blown up often at the point of attack. He's an OK receiver and an OK blocker. He also gets paid a lot of money. I don't like him. He hurts the offense significantly. Hockenson would improves this offense by leaps and bounds. He'll set the edge. He'll help on pass blocking. He'll improve our OL play in general.
Are there greater needs? Sure. But I could sure see why we'd want him.
The Giants have almost always drafted by "BPA at a position of significant Need". It is almost never solely BPA.
Since TE is not a position of significant need, there is almost ZERO chance they go TE at #6.
I would like one of the D studs like everyone else but he could turn our O into a top 5.
Think of when the Pat's had Gronk and Hernandez. Now add better recievers and the best back in the NFL.
Again Inwould rather a stud DL but wouldn't be pissed
Hock is an excellent prospect, but I don't think the separation is that great between Smith and him. Smith is not the blocker (yet) but he's every bit the receiver. And I think will be a steal if he falls into the second round...
If one of the other three is available to us at #6, go for it. That appears unlikely though unless we see some trades up for the non-Murray QBs (none of whom are even first rounders, IMO).
To me that leaves Hockenson as the best pick. I'd certainly take him over Gary, who right now seems like the most probable pick.
hahahaha!
Do that, and this is your OL in 12 personnel:
TJ-Solder-Hernandez-Bradbury-Zeitler-Howard-Ellison
You think Barkley will be able to run behind that? I do. Throw in Engram as a Swiss Army knife (like Ebron in Indy), and you've got something.
See that s my question. What happens Ingram
Engram sorry
Hock is an excellent prospect, but I don't think the separation is that great between Smith and him. Smith is not the blocker (yet) but he's every bit the receiver. And I think will be a steal if he falls into the second round...
Irv could be the pick at 37.
I think you are right, but it’s not impossible. No one expected OJ Howard to make it to pick #19, but he did.
Loves him enough to draft him, but probably not enough to give him a second contract.
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He loves Hock.
Loves him enough to draft him, but probably not enough to give him a second contract.
I'd pay a top tight end, happily.
He signed it 3 years ago. How is this ok but paying a RB slightly more than what Shepard got, isn’t?
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He loves Hock.
Loves him enough to draft him, but probably not enough to give him a second contract.
I'd pay a top tight end, happily.
Sure, you say that now, but.....
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The top paid TE in the league, Travis Kelce, is making about as much as what we just paid Sterling Shepard.
He signed it 3 years ago. How is this ok but paying a RB slightly more than what Shepard got, isn’t?
Todd Gurley's not making slightly more than what Shepard got. In '20 and '21 his cap hit is going to be really high.
Running back and tight end are different positions, with different influences on the game, different shelf lives, and different ease of replacement. Apples to oranges.
When Gronk was a prospect even he wasn't seen as a Gronk type difference msker.
Do that, and this is your OL in 12 personnel:
TJ-Solder-Hernandez-Bradbury-Zeitler-Howard-Ellison
You think Barkley will be able to run behind that? I do. Throw in Engram as a Swiss Army knife (like Ebron in Indy), and you've got something.
I've promoted Bradbury the last few weeks. In fact, I've said I would actually love him at #17. So I do like that idea.
However, here is the problem - this is a defensive rich draft. Very deep. Maybe the strongest in 10+ years. Some think it's so deep that every team could take a defender leading up to the Pats pick at #32, and the Pats could still get a first round grade defender.
So I think we need to take advantage of that with our conspicuous needs on D. We have a real chance to get a difference maker at #6. A chance, for example, to get an upper-tier edge player like Allen/Sweat. Guys who have the ability to instantly increase our chances to get off the field on third down. I'd much rather have that skill than a super-talented TE like Hock.
Strategy evolves the nearer we get to the draft. I'm starting to like the idea of getting the hell out of the 6th spot and moving down to compile more picks, either in this draft or next year's.
Look, I certainly see your angle and think it has merit. I just don't think it's the best way to manage the assets in the draft...
Because it’s just as important to stop someone as it is to score.
Arguing the talent pool is deep is not compatible with saying they had better draft defense at 6, or else.
So, based on who is left after Hockensen is gone. And Giants will want someone more "NFL blocking ready" think someone like Irv Smith is more likely (3rd round ?)
I've seen a couple of respected draft rankings and they have him right in that area, and the highest rated offensive player on their lists.
The point is that the biggest impact player is likely to be a defender at 6.