We have all heard it dozens of times from management and the press, the Giants take the BPA at their slot. We can all dissect how true that statement is or not, but I believe there is a level of truth to it.
With that, if the top players targeted for our D at 6 are taken ahead of our pick (Bosa, Allen, Q. W, White), is Hockensen the next BPA and is he even a possibility at 6?
Now I am not arguing for or against this pick, but I have a feeling he is the player we are all discounting to be picked at the 6th slot, am I wrong?
I know D is more of a priority, but who is the better player between Sweat, Oliver and Hockensen, which might be what we see on draft day?
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If he is still there @ 17 (he wont be) but if he is,, then a legit conversation is warranted.
This team is obviously not a quick fix but taking two Te's in the 1st round, 2/3 years is hopefully not the way they go with a blue chip at either OT or DL/Edge.
My sincere hope is that they stick to their guns for #6/17 and either OL/D or D/D. If there should be a trade up, use the # 37 to get back into the 1st round. If we come away with three difference makers ( perhaps a LB/CB as well) here I will be elated.
I like the player a lot, but not at 6.
But most everything coming from Giants and asshats indicates defense at #6.
If not defense it would be a QB, but indications are that the Giants don't love any of these QBs. They almost certainly have a few defensive players ranked higher than the QBs.
Those defensive players might be ranked higher than Hockenson on their board too.
Remember they would have picked Chubb last year if not for Barkley. Stop the run, rush the passer.
2. It is very unlikely that the Giants have him ranked higher on their draft board than a number of other players that should be there as well. Its possible he will be on the board when they pick at 17.
As some pointed out, he's not just an additional receiver, he's also a great blocker. People forget that the TE sets the edge and can be a great compliment to either offensive tackle. Add to that, we haven't had a guy like him since Bavaro.
I'm not saying take him, but it wouldn't be crazy if we did.
But does that mean we should pick him? Maybe not, too many other glaring needs. If this were the case, I think there is an opportunity to trade down with a team like Detroit who may want him, only move back 2 spots, get more assets and still draft the same person we would have anyway (Sweat, Oliver or Gary). Then we could use the extra assets to move up from the 17th pick to target the second player we want.
Just sayin...
Why do you think he is overrated? He certainly isn't the most overrated player. DK Metcalf & Rashan Gary are two names who are much worse football players that are projected in the top 20.
Reese would be all over Gary, not Hockensen.
Why do you think he is overrated?
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a solid player, but a top 10 projection is crazy talk.
Wow, really.. Why do you say that? Most overrated is Haskins by far. Limited track record, decent skills but nothing earth shattering. Next up, Metcalfe. Limited production, injury history and basically a workout warrior.
Hard to believe you feel Hockensen is the most overrated.
He is also considered the safest pick.
The Giants have to draft an impact defensive player at #6.
It is too bad because drafting a TE like Hockensen improves two positions. You have a superior blocking TE to improve the run game and pass protection and the Giants can utilize Engram as a H Back or X receiver.
Most overrated is Haskins by far.
I can see that. Maybe most was too much...but Haskins is also falling while the TJ hype is still going strong.
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He is also considered the safest pick.
The Giants have to draft an impact defensive player at #6.
It is too bad because drafting a TE like Hockensen improves two positions. You have a superior blocking TE to improve the run game and pass protection and the Giants can utilize Engram as a H Back or X receiver.
The Giants have almost always drafted by "BPA at a position of significant Need". It is almost never solely BPA.
Since TE is not a position of significant need, there is almost ZERO chance they go TE at #6.
It would seem that you have no idea how to draft.
We all want the Defense too be rebuilt simply because our Defense has been gutted by trades and last season we lost at least 5 games because the defense could not make a stop.
If we were to take him it's a major step forward for both the running and passing game and we have 11 other selections to shore up the Defense.
If we are waiting till next year to draft or trade for a QB then it would be in our best interest to put all the pieces together on the offense to give the heir apparent all the tools he will need to be successful.
He's not a great blocker. I've watched him specifically. He gets blown up often at the point of attack. He's an OK receiver and an OK blocker. He also gets paid a lot of money. I don't like him. He hurts the offense significantly. Hockenson would improves this offense by leaps and bounds. He'll set the edge. He'll help on pass blocking. He'll improve our OL play in general.
Are there greater needs? Sure. But I could sure see why we'd want him.
The Giants have almost always drafted by "BPA at a position of significant Need". It is almost never solely BPA.
Since TE is not a position of significant need, there is almost ZERO chance they go TE at #6.
I would like one of the D studs like everyone else but he could turn our O into a top 5.
Think of when the Pat's had Gronk and Hernandez. Now add better recievers and the best back in the NFL.
Again Inwould rather a stud DL but wouldn't be pissed
Hock is an excellent prospect, but I don't think the separation is that great between Smith and him. Smith is not the blocker (yet) but he's every bit the receiver. And I think will be a steal if he falls into the second round...
If one of the other three is available to us at #6, go for it. That appears unlikely though unless we see some trades up for the non-Murray QBs (none of whom are even first rounders, IMO).
To me that leaves Hockenson as the best pick. I'd certainly take him over Gary, who right now seems like the most probable pick.
hahahaha!
Do that, and this is your OL in 12 personnel:
TJ-Solder-Hernandez-Bradbury-Zeitler-Howard-Ellison
You think Barkley will be able to run behind that? I do. Throw in Engram as a Swiss Army knife (like Ebron in Indy), and you've got something.
See that s my question. What happens Ingram
Engram sorry