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Dave Te Scouting Report on Daniel Jones

nflscouting : 4/12/2019 5:27 pm
Some of you asked about QBs & Jones in particular. Here is the QB podcast from early March & my Daniel Jones report is listed below it;

SCOUT'S HONOR PODCAST-SCOUTING ANALYSIS OF THE 2019 DRAFT'S QUARTERBACK CLASS

Here is another podcast dealing with the current draft eligible quarterbacks, as Paul Crane has Dave-Te open his scouting reports to cite reasons for going all in or treading with caution for teams that might be looking for that coveted franchise quarterback.

NOTE-For those curious, later tonight, Dave-Te will post a link to where you can read his full scouting reports on the quarterbacks expected to be drafted during the first two days of the process.

https://www.spreaker.com/episode/17300095

NFL Draft Overview - The Quarterbacks
Paul Crane and super scout Dave-Te' Thomas look at the quarterbacks in the upcoming draft. From Kyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins at the top through Drew Lock, Ryan Finley and all expected to be drafted. Also included several who may not be drafted but should make marks in NFL camps as UFAs along with one major sleeper and the team looking at him closely.
www.spreaker.com

In November, there seemed to be a bunch of scouts and analysts anointing Jones as the next "it" factor at quarterback. While it was not a case of the emperor being exposed for not wearing clothes, the deficiencies in Jones' overall game and weak lower body frame, along with inconsistent throwing in Mobile, likely has the Blue Devil waiting until Day Two to hear his name called. Still, with Miami and the Giants holding mid-first round selections, one of those teams could draft him a round too early rather than be a round too late (Redskins interested with pick #46 in round two).

Daniel Jones-#17
Duke University Blue Devils
6:05.1-221
Agility Tests...4.81 in the 40-yard dash…1.71 10-yard dash…2.83 20-yard dash…4.41 20-yard shuttle…7.00 three-cone drill...33 1/2-inch vertical jump…10'-00" broad jump…32 1/2-inch arm length…9 3/4-inch hands…78 1/8-inch wingspan.

College Career...Playing for head coach David Cutcliffe, the walk-on has responded under the guidance of a man aptly titled a "quarterback whisperer." The fourth-year junior played in 36 games at Duke, where he completed 764-of-1,275, as both figures rank fifth on the school career-record chart. His pass completion percentage of .599 is second-best by a Blue Devil, topped by Sean Renfree (.647; 898-1,389; 2009-12). With 8,201 yards passing, he is one of just five Duke's passers to reach the 7,500-yard level. He is also one of five Duke players to throw for at least fifty touchdowns (52). He did have 29 passes intercepted, but on 406 carries, he scored seventeen times while gaining 1,323 yards. He caught two passes for six yards and amassed 9,524 yards in total offense. He also had five punts for 170 yards (34.0-yard average).

Background...Jones was eligible to participate at the 2019 Senior Bowl because he graduated from Duke in December, 2018 with a degree in economics. He is not the only college athlete in his family, as sister, Becca, lettered four seasons (2013-14-15-16) as a member of the field hockey program at Davidson College. Their brother, Bates, is a member of the basketball program at Davidson. Their sister, Ruthie, signed a National Letter of Intent to play soccer at Duke University beginning in the fall of 2019.

Jones lettered three times on the gridiron at Charlotte Latin High School, where he helped the Hawks to a 19-5 record and two state championship game appearances. Elected a team captain as both a junior and senior, he departed Charlotte Latin holding school career records for total offensive yards (8,344), passing yards (6,997) and total touchdowns (98). During his senior campaign, he completed 151-of-268 passes for 2,949 yards and 43 touchdowns while rushing 109 times for 778 yards and ten scores to help Charlotte Latin to a 10-2 record and North Carolina Independent Schools Athletic Association (NCISAA) Division I state championship game appearance.

As a senior, Jones earned first team NCISAA all-state honors, first team all-conference accolades and the South Charlotte Sports Report Quarterback of the Year Award after setting school single-season records for total yards (3,727), passing yards and passing touchdowns. He also lettered three times in basketball, serving as a team co-captain during senior season.

Jones did not receive any major college offers, so he decided to enroll at Duke, joining the team as a walk-on in 2015. After spending that season with the scout team, he earned Freshman All-American honorable mention in 2016. He was the recipient of the program’s Carmen Falcone Award as Duke’s Most Valuable Player, as the Academic All-Atlantic Coast Conference selection was also a four-time ACC Rookie of the Week choice following performances against Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Miami.

In twelve games, the red-shirt freshman completed 270-of-430 (.638) passes for 2,836 yards with 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions while rushing 141 times for 486 (3.45) yards and seven scores. He posted a pass efficiency rating of 126.28 in addition to catching one pass for zero yards and punting twice for 71 yards (35.50) with one boot downed inside the opponent 20 yard line.

In 2017, Jones was one of five major college quarterbacks to throw for over 2,500 yards and rush for over 500 yards during the campaign. The team captain and Quick Lane Bowl MVP was an Academic All-ACC selection and recipient of the program’s Ace Parker Award, an honor presented annually to an individual who displays unparalleled commitment to the team and overcomes adversity to contribute. He started all 13 games, completing 257-of-453 (.567) passes for 2,691 yards with 14 touchdowns and 11 interceptions while rushing 161 times for 518 yards (3.22) and seven scores. He posted a pass efficiency rating of 111.97, compiled 3,209 total offensive yards and punted once for 45 yards.

The Independence Bowl Offensive Player of the Game received the program’s Carmen Falcone Award as Duke’s Most Valuable Player in 2018, becoming the sixth two-time recipient of the honor, joining Leo Hart (1969-70), Keith Stoneback (1973-74), Scottie Montgomery (1998-99), Mike Hart (2000-01) and John Talley (2005-06). He started all eleven games he appeared in, but missed the Baylor and North Carolina Central tilts after he suffered a fractured left clavicle in the third quarter versus Northwestern, undergoing surgery on September 9th.

Jones connected on 237-of-392 (.605) passes for 2,674 yards with 22 scores and nine pass thefts while rushing 104 times for 319 yards (3.07). He recorded a pass efficiency rating of 131.69 while tallying 2,993 total offensive yards, an average of 272.09 yards per game. He caught one pass for six yards and punted twice for 54 yards (27.00) with both kicks downed inside the opponent 20-yard line.

Among the top quarterbacks in this draft class, his average depth of target ranked 40th (8.69 ypc), placing 37th within that group when throwing under pressure (47-of-114 passes, 41.2%, 53.9 pass rating with three touchdowns, four interceptions). As for his deep passing skills, he ranks 47, having hit on only 11-of-45 chances (24.44%) for 425 yards, six touchdowns and four interceptions (69.0 passer rating). He was sacked 28 times for losses of 172 yards, turning the ball over four times on five fumbles, as he saw 51 passes deflected by the opposition.

The Scouting Report
Athletic Ability...Jones has a tall frame with adequate upper body muscle definition, and his lower frame needs to develop better muscle tone. He has adequate thighs and calves, but displays good hand size and arm length that you look for in a pocket passer. His frame certainly has room for further bulk and muscle development.
Jones has good size and arm strength for the quarterback position, but despite average straight-ahead speed, he lacks athletic agility and looks stiff in his change of direction (4.41 20-yard shuttle). He can get some yardage off the bootleg, but seems to lack vision on the move, as he will run into spots or just toss the ball away with dire consequences (see fumbles vs. Army, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh and North Carolina in 2018). He operates in a play-action scheme, but when he tries to work under a run-pass option format, he needs to be more conscious of protecting the pigskin.
Jones does have the arm strength that pro teams want him to display, but has had just “pedestrian” numbers in each of his three seasons, never cracking the 3,000 aerial yards or 25 touchdown level. He has adequate quickness dropping back from center, but lacks the feet to avoid the pass rush, as he tends to lose balance when flushed out of the pocket. His arm strength is his best asset, especially on short-to-intermediate tosses, but his long ball game suffers, having hit on just 11-of-45 of those attempts last season. He has enough ability to consistently put the ball where the receiver can catch it in the short areas, but when he attempts to go the distance, perhaps he would be better suited locating second and third option targets instead of just throwing the ball into a crowd (four of his 45 deep passes were intercepted, seven others were deflected).

Football Sense...Jones benefits from having one of the better quarterback coaches in the game of football (David Cutcliffe). The former walk-on is a quick learner who seems to know protections, but you would like to see him improve when it comes to recognizing coverage on the pre-snap and on his pass drops. He is effective at reading hot routes, but must become quicker in attempts to pick up the blitz. He is a three-time Academic All-Atlantic Coast Conference pick and graduated after just three years, so it is obvious that he will not have problems digesting a complicated playbook.
Still, this is a young player who needs to do a better job of reading zone coverage, at times, as he will throw into tight windows (See Virginia and Temple games) and he will force the ball into a crowd every so often. In order to increase his chances for starting at the next level, he must do a better job of looking off his primary targets and go through route progressions.

Set Up...As book smart as he is, Jones still looks like a neophyte when it comes to reading defenses. Having a coach call your plays eliminated much of his thought process, but he is not the type who will stand tall and absorb the sack, making poor choices trying to throw the ball into the crowd (51 pass break-ups included 18 at the line of scrimmage). While not alarming, his fumble issues seem to be the result of poor ball distribution when forced to improvise on the move.
He does not really have heavy feet, but there are times where he looks too methodical in his drops. Once his feet are set, he will stand and deliver, though. He has a decent throwing motion, but has a bit of a wind-up in his release. He has the body control to stand tall and be ready in the pocket, but he seems to lose some velocity on his tosses when throwing on the run. His quickness dropping back from center is good and he does keep his feet under him, playing with good balance in the pocket (does not translate when flushed out though).

Reading Defenses...Jones has to overcome his “love” for his primary target and do a better job of going through route progression to locate secondary targets. When he tries to force the issue too much when under pressure, it results in him firing the ball right into windows. While his interception rate was low (nine in 2018 on 392 attempts), the opponents go to deflect 13% of his passes (51) in 2018. He is prone to making some bad decisions, as he just seems to throw too much into double coverage (see at least eight passes deflected in each of the Virginia Tech, North Carolina and Clemson games). When he is quick to pick up the blitz, he knows where to go with the ball, showing good vision and judgment on his reads, but he tends to force the ball into coverage when his protection breaks down. He does show good timing and touch, but he has to stop forcing his throws into coverage.
He can be smooth driving back from center to his throwing point, but lacks the suddenness to avoid and slip tackles on the move. When he stands tall in the pocket, he is more accurate, but he needs to work on making all his throws from the outside hash (loses accuracy, especially when he doesn’t step into his passes).

Release...With that little hitch/wind-up, Jones will be inconsistent with his release. He locks on to his target, starts patting the ball waiting for it to open and fails to make progression reads as you would expect from a player with his intelligence level. In Mobile, he seems to show a high release on his throws. He sometimes reverted to a full wind up, but there were times that he showed the ability to deliver most of his throws with quickness. Even when he used a long throwing motion, he got the ball away in time. When he kept his delivery a little bit higher than ¾, he carried the ball properly to get a quick release.
In a recent report from one team with a quarterback need, they recognize that Jones is generally effective vs. man coverage, but does struggle quite a bit in attempts to recognize the zone coverage, where most of his costly mistakes (interceptions, pass break-ups) happen. He makes questionable decisions when flushed out of the pocket (see Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, North Carolina games) and needs to do a better job of surveying and going through progressions rather than locking on to his primary target (does not look off well enough).

Arm Strength...There is no questioning his arm strength, but Jones needs to improve his touchdown to interception ratio. His short passes are generally on target, except when forced to throw on the move. He has good touch with accuracy on the short throws, putting the ball where the receiver can catch it. He just does not show great accuracy throwing long, as he will force several throws into coverage rather than toss the ball away. He needs to do a better job of reading defenders and coverage before he attempts to air it out.
Jones compensates for his adequate zone coverage reading skills with good power and snap in his release. He delivers the ball with good over-the-top mechanics and releases the ball with good quickness, coming straight back with the ball to generate more power behind his throws. He tends to generate a higher push in his delivery when throwing on the move, as some of those throws will wobble a bit, especially when he uses a big wind-up. Still, for a long-armed passer, he is conscious of not using a windmill motion much.

Accuracy...Jones shows adequate zip on his short to intermediate throws, but his long ball does float too much and he needs to get the ball away with a more consistent spiral (ball gets away from him when going deep). He can throw in the seam, but tends to feather the ball more than he should (has completed just 59.9% of his career passes). Jones won’t spray the ball all over the field, but when he tries to fire it at the numbers, he left more than a few passes behind in 2018 (see Virginia Tech, Virginia, Clemson, Wake Forest games). When he holds the ball too long waiting for his targets to break, he struggles. He shows very good touch and accuracy on the fade routes, but sometimes will hang it in the air of deep tosses.

Touch...Jones is a bit inconsistent throwing the deep comeback from the opposite end of the field. He shows better touch and accuracy throwing short and intermediate. He takes a little too much off the ball throwing long (ball floats). He has decent anticipation and timing on routes, but there are occasions where he needs to throw the ball quicker, especially when pressured. On most of his pass thefts, it seemed as if he was not taking a good enough pre-snap look to see coverage and make the adjustment.

Poise...Jones plays with good poise, as he will stand tall in the pocket and step into his throws. He can take a shot and stay composed in the pocket, but he will try to force some throws when trying to escape pressure. He has a presence standing in the pocket and is mechanically sound when not flushed out. He has good touch on short-to-intermediate throws and shows more than enough arm strength going deep (just inconsistent), but his long ball gets him in trouble when he does not properly read zone coverage, resulting in him forcing his throws when going deep (tends to float it up for grabs). He generally throws a nice, easy ball with very good placement standing or stepping up in the pocket, though (troubles happen on the move). When given time, he can get the ball off with a tight spiral and good arc, allowing the receivers to catch in stride rather than have to adjust in their routes.

Pocket Movement/Scrambling Ability...You would like to see Jones slide and avoid rather than try to run over defenders, as that led to injury issues early in the 2018 campaign. He seems to go through a long timing pattern before bailing on the pocket. He is only adequate when throwing the ball rolling out and scrambling, as he lacks great mobility and elusiveness in and out of the pocket. He moves around, but lacks the sudden burst to be effective running the ball. He will step up and buy time, but is not a threat with his feet. He does have decent timed speed, but perhaps due to his tall, lanky frame, he fails to sink his pads and looks awkward when he has to run with the ball.
Jones is more effective looking off and freezing a safety when standing in the pocket than when forced to roll out. He can move well enough to stay alive, but when he holds on to the ball too long, he then forces it into a crowd. If your offense is looking for Jones to scramble or get any yards running with the ball, that could be a problem. He is a productive quarterback in the pocket, but even with his timed speed, he is also a marginal open field runner. He squares his shoulders properly on delivery, but does not have the scrambling skills or avoidance ability to throw on the run, as he does not look natural doing this. He seems to be more productive throwing when running to his right than to the opposite field.

Compares To...Marc Bulger-ex-St. Louis Rams...Some think Jones is the second coming of Ryan Tannehill, but there is more polish in the Blue Devils game. While Jones has the pro size, he will need to add more bulk. He has good command in the huddle, but despite what some others feel, there seems to be too much inconsistency with him throwing long, especially on the move. He tries to force the ball too much between second level defenders and one look at the high amount of passes that have been picked off or deflected, he still needs a lot of coaching and tutoring.

Dave-Te Podcast...Teams in Need of a Franchise Quarterback Are Left Wanting - ( New Window )
FROM THE RECENT Q&A  
nflscouting : 4/12/2019 5:28 pm : link
Here is the report someone requested. Note-I will be away and unable to respond to any questions until Tuesday. please wait & post on the Q&A i will post then.

Again, be civil to each other here and no cursing.
Thanks Dave  
OBJRoyal : 4/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
Read this in the Q&A the other day, and it made me not want him to be picked by our Giants even more. This just doesnt screem franchise QB
Over achieving walk on with limited  
Chris L. : 4/12/2019 5:38 pm : link
college production at a second level football school...no thanks.
I really don't like the Bulger comp...  
bw in dc : 4/12/2019 5:49 pm : link
He had a terrific arm. Much better than Jones's.

And he could vary speeds and trajectory very well.
RE: I really don't like the Bulger comp...  
OBJRoyal : 4/12/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14384273 bw in dc said:
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He had a terrific arm. Much better than Jones's.

And he could vary speeds and trajectory very well.


My problem is with his ability to read defenses and locking onto his first read. Also, his long ball tends to "float"
RE: RE: I really don't like the Bulger comp...  
bw in dc : 4/12/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14384279 OBJRoyal said:
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In comment 14384273 bw in dc said:


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He had a terrific arm. Much better than Jones's.

And he could vary speeds and trajectory very well.



My problem is with his ability to read defenses and locking onto his first read. Also, his long ball tends to "float"


I didn't even get to that. I was too bewildered by the Bulger compare... ;)
ive seen some game tape.  
huygens20 : 4/12/2019 6:12 pm : link
hes behind lock in my book.



hes not accurate at all on deep throws. He missed a lot of deep 1 on 1 throws. His 40 speed isnot indiccative of his athleticism. He cant move laterally or with alot of agility. But once he gets his wheels going he's fast in a straight line.


He's below Grier and Lock in my book. I just dont see nough X factor tape where you go "holy shit wtf was that!!!". hes a high floor low ceiling kinda qb.


Grier has tons of deep throws where you just go "thats aaron rodgers level placement".

Lock has some throws that are off script, off level, weird arm slot, where you go "thats stafford".
No to Jones  
Stan in LA : 4/12/2019 6:14 pm : link
That is all.
Dont we already have  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/12/2019 6:18 pm : link
A guy who locks onto receivers & has (now) a weaker arm??

Yeah, he can run faster (recipe for injury with his build) but dont draft a young what we already have...
Never been a fan of Jones but since Stan says no  
Brown Recluse : 4/12/2019 6:29 pm : link
and Stan is always wrong, I’m feeling better about it.
I’ve watched some film of Jones  
Biteymax22 : 4/12/2019 6:36 pm : link
See some things I like a lot, see some things I don’t. Had a terrible supporting cast and turned a horrible team into someone who wasn’t a laughing stock. Watch the Miami game of his, its ugly, but you’ll notice one thing about the kid, even though the weather was horrible and his line forgot that you’re supposed to block, he stood in, took a beating and kept his team in the game against a much better team.

FWIW, I know Dave isn’t high on him, but I have a funny feeling SY grades him higher than some more popular QBs
RE: One mans opinion. But the guys we hired to do this type of evaluation  
732NYG : 4/12/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14384306 TMS said:
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will have their say in the end. Lots of positives but some negatives as well. WTF is Dave TE anyway ? Let our staff make this call and I am good with it . We can wait for a QB next year. Rather a DL /OL draft myself and give ELI a shot with those new personnel .


Well, I mean, considering NFL teams pay Dave for his scouting profiles on prospects, and he’s been doing it as a profession for decades, I’d say he knows at least a little of what he’s talking about. Of course, people can be wrong, but he’s not some shlub coming out of left field, here.
Thank you, Dave Te'!!  
ColHowPepper : 4/12/2019 6:38 pm : link
Very helpful
I still don't know how I feel about Jones  
Johnny5 : 4/12/2019 7:39 pm : link
He doesn't wow you on video, but I saw bad blocking and a lot or WR drops, he's tough and he and he made that team better than it was. That has to count for something. I think he is better than people give him credit for. That said I won't complain either way (draft him or no).

After watching more than a few vids I can't say I am any more well versed on who will succeed or not in the NFL from this draft class... lol
My  
AcidTest : 4/12/2019 7:53 pm : link
main problem with Jones is his lack of arm strength, especially deep and 20 yard sideline outs from the middle of the field or the far hash. He also needs to read defenses better, has a tendency to lock onto primary targets, and pats the ball before throwing.

He does force the ball, but I think that was to some extent because his OL was so poor, and his receivers dropped so many passes. We’ve seen Eli do the same in a desperate desire to try and move the ball.

Is Jones really that much better than Finley, especially since we'd have to use a first round pick on Jones, and could likely get Finley in the third round? I don't think so, and I don't want Finley or any other QB this year.
Pass on him  
big canoe jeff : 4/12/2019 7:57 pm : link
Will set giants back for years
RE: Thank you, Dave Te'!!  
Jimmy Googs : 4/12/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14384315 ColHowPepper said:
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Very helpful


Yep nice job here
Jones isn't a 1st Round 'talent', and certainly not Top 20 material...  
Torrag : 4/12/2019 8:25 pm : link
...we sould begin considering him at #37 and even that may be too high.
TO TMS  
nflscouting : 4/12/2019 8:57 pm : link
I'm the GUY who puts together the reports for the Giants since 1983, that is who I am!
Torrag-QBs  
nflscouting : 4/12/2019 9:00 pm : link
They've been doing a lot of homework on Finley the last two weeks. I'm still not buying they will pass on QBs altogether. 2020 has two studs in Fromm & Tua (Herbert has a lot of minor injuries that linger), but to get to them, you will need a top 10 pick next year. Day One/Two, not names, but do you agree D with emphasis on the rush & press CB?
RE: TO TMS  
Toth029 : 4/12/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14384449 nflscouting said:
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I'm the GUY who puts together the reports for the Giants since 1983, that is who I am!

Thanks for the reviews.
I like Finley targeting Round 3 but he may not be there at #95...  
Torrag : 4/12/2019 9:23 pm : link
...trade up to secure him?

As far as priorities it's pass rush at #6 and next best defensive talent available at 17. RT/OC at #37 if the value lines up. I believe DG wants to provide Eli and Saquon with one of the best O-lines in the game and imo ?Remmers?/Wheeler is unacceptable while Halapio/Pulley are just serviceable.
RE: RE: I really don't like the Bulger comp...  
FStubbs : 4/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14384279 OBJRoyal said:
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He had a terrific arm. Much better than Jones's.

And he could vary speeds and trajectory very well.



My problem is with his ability to read defenses and locking onto his first read. Also, his long ball tends to "float"


So basically Daniel Jones is another Lauletta?
Torrag  
nflscouting : 4/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
I wish they give Evan Brown a shot to compete at OC. Listen, the Falcons site is putting up a bunch of the system's OL scouting reports next week-I will send you a link-too big to post here
You know your cookies & I like that
RE: Torrag-QBs  
FStubbs : 4/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14384453 nflscouting said:
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They've been doing a lot of homework on Finley the last two weeks. I'm still not buying they will pass on QBs altogether. 2020 has two studs in Fromm & Tua (Herbert has a lot of minor injuries that linger), but to get to them, you will need a top 10 pick next year. Day One/Two, not names, but do you agree D with emphasis on the rush & press CB?


I think we'll easily have a top 10 pick next year.
That's very considerate ty  
Torrag : 4/12/2019 9:50 pm : link
I do appreciate the guys 'in the know' that contribute here. I just have a quirky sense of humor that can get me in hot water on occasion.
RE: Never been a fan of Jones but since Stan says no  
Joey in VA : 4/12/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14384305 Brown Recluse said:
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and Stan is always wrong, I’m feeling better about it.
That is rock solid reasoning, I'm with you.
RE: That's very considerate ty  
nflscouting : 4/13/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14384540 Torrag said:
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I do appreciate the guys 'in the know' that contribute here. I just have a quirky sense of humor that can get me in hot water on occasion.


After forty years of producing the books the NFL gives out to the floor & media at the draft, the league decided to move it out of my city. I felt they slighted the greatest draftniks on the planet - Jets & Giants fans. Oh the "old timers" hear remember the back & forth of those in the crowd. I'd always sneak up there & give out the books. Hell, most of these dudes were parked outside waiting to get in since the day before. Most of that kinship I found gyrated to this forum. After all, most draft crowds were dominated by blue jerseys any way.
I still do the reports, only for the teams. Let NFL HQ come back to the Big Apple & I'd gladly do the books for them again.
So, due to my personal ties with a lot of guys on the forum here, every March I pop my head, grab a bunch of scouting reports the staff compiles & filter them out to you guys.
I'm a total computer dummy, but I am pretty good of at least getting you guys info - let you decide what you want to see. Hell, we are all blue brothers.
I read Dave's report and it says  
section125 : 4/13/2019 5:13 am : link
Jones has plenty of arm strength, yet a handful of folks keep saying you don't like his arm strength? Makes me wonder about reading comprehension or bias on those people.

Seems to me that Jones has plenty of arm to throw deep, but tries to lay it out there instead of throwing it - too high a trajectory. Making a deep throw requires some touch to let the WR get under it, but getting it there before the DB can get there. Seems more technique problem than arm problem.

But I still don't get the warm and fuzzies from Jones. The bigger problem I see is locking on to primary receiver and bigger yet - inability to read the zone defense. Those will get you picked off in the NFL.
RE: TO TMS  
Klaatu : 4/13/2019 6:15 am : link
In comment 14384449 nflscouting said:
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I'm the GUY who puts together the reports for the Giants since 1983, that is who I am!


RE: RE: TO TMS  
Rjanyg : 4/13/2019 7:20 am : link
In comment 14384644 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14384449 nflscouting said:


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I'm the GUY who puts together the reports for the Giants since 1983, that is who I am!




Love it! Don’t take any shit Dave! I appreciate all you contribute to BBi
We have issued warnings about this  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2019 8:32 am : link
but I will repeat --- if you make a personal attack at one of our experts - your account will be suspended/terminated

TMS has lost his posting privileges
RE: I read Dave's report and it says  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/13/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14384634 section125 said:
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Jones has plenty of arm strength, yet a handful of folks keep saying you don't like his arm strength? Makes me wonder about reading comprehension or bias on those people.

Seems to me that Jones has plenty of arm to throw deep, but tries to lay it out there instead of throwing it - too high a trajectory. Making a deep throw requires some touch to let the WR get under it, but getting it there before the DB can get there. Seems more technique problem than arm problem.

But I still don't get the warm and fuzzies from Jones. The bigger problem I see is locking on to primary receiver and bigger yet - inability to read the zone defense. Those will get you picked off in the NFL.


I've noticed that BBI tends to form a mob opinion on some players very early, with little information and little understanding.

Once they've dug in it is nearly impossible to change this opinion in a broad sense.

They've made up their minds about Jones and they will never admit they are wrong about any of it.
Thanks Dave  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2019 12:55 pm : link
I think the Giants really like Evan Brown. They carried him on the roster all season and let go of higher profile OL when they needed roster spots. I am a huge fan of his and I think he will be given every opportunity to win the primary backup C spot. He might need another season in the strength and conditioning program before he is ready to challenge for the starting job but I do hope that he beats out Pulley for the backup job.
RE: RE: I read Dave's report and it says  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14384795 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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I've noticed that BBI tends to form a mob opinion on some players very early, with little information and little understanding.

Once they've dug in it is nearly impossible to change this opinion in a broad sense.

They've made up their minds about Jones and they will never admit they are wrong about any of it.

Very true. I did not like Jones at all earlier in the year but since I watched several highlight videos of his and read the scouting reports I am now a fan of his. He is so similar to Eli in a lot of ways but he's a much better athlete.
I think I'm swinging towards team Grier  
PatersonPlank : 4/13/2019 1:39 pm : link
IMO he has the it factor. He is really accurate
RE: We have issued warnings about this  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14384707 gidiefor said:
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but I will repeat --- if you make a personal attack at one of our experts - your account will be suspended/terminated

TMS has lost his posting privileges


Maybe I missed the post where he attacked him but I thought he simply asked who Dave TE was after disagreeing with the review's take on Jones. Maybe he simply didn't realize Dave uses the handle nflscouting but also refers to himself in the 3rd person in his posts.



Meh.  
giantsFC : 4/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
That’s what my summary of Daniel Jones is from this report lol.
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