From some knowledgeable Panthers fans they say this smokescreen looks like a few seasons ago.
"I can totally see Gettleman falling in love with Gary just like he did with Vernon Butler.
He does things like this on purpose hoping the media will eat up the Murray story so that the Gary visit gets less attention"
I know a lot of BBI including Sy loved Butler coming into the league who turned out to be a most hated bust by Panther fans. They were coming off a 15-1 season with KK Short and Loutuliei playing at an All-pro level. But instead of addressing other needs DG took another DT in Butler when fans were screaming for help to supplement the roster elsewhere.
After watching teams run the ball at will against us last year, Gary would be a huge upgrade for us.
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There is no need to create a “smokescreen” for Gary. He will be there at 6. We can only hope, however, if this is the case that another team is stupid enough to draft him in the top 5 to save us from ourselves.
After watching teams run the ball at will against us last year, Gary would be a huge upgrade for us.
dep, I have no problem with Gary. I do have a problem with him a 6. Just my personal preference but I’m not looking for a “run stuffer” that high. Run stuffers can be found later in the draft.
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In comment 14384697 BigBlueShock said:
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There is no need to create a “smokescreen” for Gary. He will be there at 6. We can only hope, however, if this is the case that another team is stupid enough to draft him in the top 5 to save us from ourselves.
After watching teams run the ball at will against us last year, Gary would be a huge upgrade for us.
dep, I have no problem with Gary. I do have a problem with him a 6. Just my personal preference but I’m not looking for a “run stuffer” that high. Run stuffers can be found later in the draft.
I think his passing rushing skills will surprise people. Again, if there’s someone like Allen or Williams there - id prefer them. But if it goes..
Murray
Bosa
Allen
Williams
White...
It would be down between Gary and Oliver to me and I see more value with Gary.
while at gym over past couple months
On guy said something that stuck: Guy takes plays off, not a consistent effort.
Is that the legitimate concern on him
agree-bust waiting to happen.
while at gym over past couple months
On guy said something that stuck: Guy takes plays off, not a consistent effort.
Is that the legitimate concern on him
No. People looking at his senior film always fail to disclose his injury which should have been a season ender but he played through it for the team.
That said, DTs might be dropping
6. Q Williams
17. Oliver
37. Gary
Sick DL for years to come. Run Gary at OLB as extra rush player on pass downs.
Too many other guys w measurables that match his w better production Match his
Wilkins. Sweat. Oliver of u want to go DL. Suppose Q Will falls?
Maybe they like him but don’t see it
He does? So please tell us, what are his intentions at 6?
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Gary and Jones look like one the guys they spent the most time with - ( New Window )
He's one of those guys that always leave you wanting for more relative to his talent level.
Got to hope Q falls or Oak is willing to trade down for the right price. Giants have a tendency to think they can coach up almost anyone with high talent (See Flowers and Apple).
Those double teams often made many others on that defense look really good.
That said, taking Gary wouldn't be as "stupid" as taking Vernon Butler when he had Star & Short. If Gary hits he's one of those game-wreckers in the mold of J.J. Watt or Calais Campbell.
The Giants could use that kind of presence over the RT and have an immediate need for a 5T & a pass rusher. If that's Gary, it's nothing like the Butler pick.
Not sure how you can state this point when those two players were drafted (and coached) by people that aren't here anymore and jettisoned by the people that are.
That said, taking Gary wouldn't be as "stupid" as taking Vernon Butler when he had Star & Short. If Gary hits he's one of those game-wreckers in the mold of J.J. Watt or Calais Campbell.
The Giants could use that kind of presence over the RT and have an immediate need for a 5T & a pass rusher. If that's Gary, it's nothing like the Butler pick.
No not close, he cant get home (to the QB) in the same stratosphere as JJ or Campbell
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dumb. There is no reason to create a smokescreen for Gary. Nobody else gives a sh#t.
That said, taking Gary wouldn't be as "stupid" as taking Vernon Butler when he had Star & Short. If Gary hits he's one of those game-wreckers in the mold of J.J. Watt or Calais Campbell.
The Giants could use that kind of presence over the RT and have an immediate need for a 5T & a pass rusher. If that's Gary, it's nothing like the Butler pick.
No not close, he cant get home (to the QB) in the same stratosphere as JJ or Campbell
Watt wasn’t a sack artist at Wisconsin either.
Take a chance at 17 maybe but if you do it at 6 you're nuts
Gary at 6 F-ING C'MON - ( New Window )
Let JonC and jtgiants do their thing and if we're lucky we may get a few nuggets before the Draft.
He can play in the multiple front scheme that Bettcher runs. He is good against run and good as a pass rusher.
You can’t just go on stats.
I am intrigued by him, but admittedly not sure about what kind of pro he will be.
He can play in the multiple front scheme that Bettcher runs. He is good against run and good as a pass rusher.
This is literally the onnly intriguing thing about him
You can’t just go on stats.
I am intrigued by him, but admittedly not sure about what kind of pro he will be.
This is literally the onnly intriguing thing about him.
But the same can be said for Oliver. Apparently he can standup and play ILB. It would be interesting to see us go with a defensive Jumbo and have him and Ogletree diving at holes on 3rd and short. I really think Oliver might be the pick. Sy likened him to Geno Atkins and others have said he has a Tedy Bruschi game about him. That sounds like hell for an O line to deal with in addition to the guys we currently have. I wouldnt even be opposed to Oliver at 6 and Lawrence at 17. Build this team up front like Philly did two years ago.
Love Winovich. FOOTBALL PLAYER. Great attitude. Lockerroom.
But where? Our 2nd is too high for him. Might haveto move up in 3 to get him.
Agreed.
This +1
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dumb. There is no reason to create a smokescreen for Gary. Nobody else gives a sh#t.
That said, taking Gary wouldn't be as "stupid" as taking Vernon Butler when he had Star & Short. If Gary hits he's one of those game-wreckers in the mold of J.J. Watt or Calais Campbell.
The Giants could use that kind of presence over the RT and have an immediate need for a 5T & a pass rusher. If that's Gary, it's nothing like the Butler pick.
No not close, he cant get home (to the QB) in the same stratosphere as JJ or Campbell
Watt wasn’t a sack artist at Wisconsin either.
Watt wasn't the #6 pick either, largely for that reason.
In what way? They both play football?
The hamster will certainly crap out when that happens....
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In comment 14384750 mittenedman said:
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dumb. There is no reason to create a smokescreen for Gary. Nobody else gives a sh#t.
That said, taking Gary wouldn't be as "stupid" as taking Vernon Butler when he had Star & Short. If Gary hits he's one of those game-wreckers in the mold of J.J. Watt or Calais Campbell.
The Giants could use that kind of presence over the RT and have an immediate need for a 5T & a pass rusher. If that's Gary, it's nothing like the Butler pick.
No not close, he cant get home (to the QB) in the same stratosphere as JJ or Campbell
Watt wasn’t a sack artist at Wisconsin either.
Watt wasn't the #6 pick either, largely for that reason.
Well how stupid does that look now?